Talk:Eagle Vision - Revision history

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	I think we should fully merger Athena's Sight into this article. The idea was brought up on that talk page but never followed through. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 09:42, 13 June 2021 (UTC)		I think we should fully merger Athena's Sight into this article. The idea was brought up on that talk page but never followed through. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 09:42, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

	== AC ~~RPG~~ ==		==AC TTRPG==
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	The upcoming RPG features both Eagle Vision and Eagle Sense as separate skills with Eagle Sense specifically being more similar to what Arno possessed including the memory transfer stuff. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 06:38, 27 August 2023 (UTC)		The upcoming RPG features both Eagle Vision and Eagle Sense as separate skills with Eagle Sense specifically being more similar to what Arno possessed including the memory transfer stuff. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 06:38, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

	== Arno's "Eagle Sense" ==		==Arno's "Eagle Sense"==
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	It has come to my attention that this page explains Arno's EV in a wrongfully way. It describes it as a skill that has three levels: '''Eagle Pulse''', '''Eagle Sense''', and '''Communal Sense'''. I instantly remembered my time playing Unity and I could swear I never read or heard the words "Eagle Sense" in my playthroughs. Afaik, Arno never unlocked Eagle Sense. So I backtracked the source of this info and found it in one of [https://www.twitch.tv/videos/30627788 Ubi's 2014 E3 streams (01:38:37)]. It turns out the Unity team was invited to ''The Uplay Lounge'', a former Ubi show on twitch where some Ubi dev teams got invited to discuss several aspects from incoming games. In the show, Unity's director Alex Amancio explained how Arno's Eagle Vision worked in the game as an example of how each player's progression affected co-op sessions.		It has come to my attention that this page explains Arno's EV in a wrongfully way. It describes it as a skill that has three levels: '''Eagle Pulse''', '''Eagle Sense''', and '''Communal Sense'''. I instantly remembered my time playing Unity and I could swear I never read or heard the words "Eagle Sense" in my playthroughs. Afaik, Arno never unlocked Eagle Sense. So I backtracked the source of this info and found it in one of [https://www.twitch.tv/videos/30627788 Ubi's 2014 E3 streams (01:38:37)]. It turns out the Unity team was invited to ''The Uplay Lounge'', a former Ubi show on twitch where some Ubi dev teams got invited to discuss several aspects from incoming games. In the show, Unity's director Alex Amancio explained how Arno's Eagle Vision worked in the game as an example of how each player's progression affected co-op sessions.

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	Perhaps Unity was going to incorporate Eagle Sense once more and it got cut. Perhaps Unity's director got confused and thought Eagle Vision was called "Eagle Sense", which is what most likely happened because not only does he calls it like that but also does [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG-ImjoPCAM Rogue's director Martin Capel (3:15)] and Darby McDevitt during [https://www.twitch.tv/videos/30626981 Unity's and Rogue's launch day celebration stream (41:40)]. Regardless of that, I think the current description is inaccurate and needs to be re-written. I'm just going to do that now, just wanted to explain my reasoning behind this.[[User:Cristophorus35\|Cristophorus35]] ([[User talk:Cristophorus35\|talk]]) 05:42, 20 March 2024 (UTC)		Perhaps Unity was going to incorporate Eagle Sense once more and it got cut. Perhaps Unity's director got confused and thought Eagle Vision was called "Eagle Sense", which is what most likely happened because not only does he calls it like that but also does [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG-ImjoPCAM Rogue's director Martin Capel (3:15)] and Darby McDevitt during [https://www.twitch.tv/videos/30626981 Unity's and Rogue's launch day celebration stream (41:40)]. Regardless of that, I think the current description is inaccurate and needs to be re-written. I'm just going to do that now, just wanted to explain my reasoning behind this.[[User:Cristophorus35\|Cristophorus35]] ([[User talk:Cristophorus35\|talk]]) 05:42, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

	== Investigative scene recreations ==		==Investigative scene recreations==

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	During specific memories in the later games the protag investigates a scene and after examining enough clues can visually recreate the events. These recreations usually color code individuals in orange. Is this recreative visualization a function of eagle vision? [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 04:43, 15 July 2024 (UTC)		During specific memories in the later games the protag investigates a scene and after examining enough clues can visually recreate the events. These recreations usually color code individuals in orange. Is this recreative visualization a function of eagle vision? [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 04:43, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

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2024-07-15T04:43:53Z

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	Perhaps Unity was going to incorporate Eagle Sense once more and it got cut. Perhaps Unity's director got confused and thought Eagle Vision was called "Eagle Sense", which is what most likely happened because not only does he calls it like that but also does [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG-ImjoPCAM Rogue's director Martin Capel (3:15)] and Darby McDevitt during [https://www.twitch.tv/videos/30626981 Unity's and Rogue's launch day celebration stream (41:40)]. Regardless of that, I think the current description is inaccurate and needs to be re-written. I'm just going to do that now, just wanted to explain my reasoning behind this.[[User:Cristophorus35\|Cristophorus35]] ([[User talk:Cristophorus35\|talk]]) 05:42, 20 March 2024 (UTC)		Perhaps Unity was going to incorporate Eagle Sense once more and it got cut. Perhaps Unity's director got confused and thought Eagle Vision was called "Eagle Sense", which is what most likely happened because not only does he calls it like that but also does [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG-ImjoPCAM Rogue's director Martin Capel (3:15)] and Darby McDevitt during [https://www.twitch.tv/videos/30626981 Unity's and Rogue's launch day celebration stream (41:40)]. Regardless of that, I think the current description is inaccurate and needs to be re-written. I'm just going to do that now, just wanted to explain my reasoning behind this.[[User:Cristophorus35\|Cristophorus35]] ([[User talk:Cristophorus35\|talk]]) 05:42, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

			== Investigative scene recreations ==

			{{OpenTalk}}
			During specific memories in the later games the protag investigates a scene and after examining enough clues can visually recreate the events. These recreations usually color code individuals in orange. Is this recreative visualization a function of eagle vision? [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 04:43, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

imported>Cristophorus35: /* Arno's "Eagle Sense" */ new section

2024-03-20T05:42:49Z

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	The upcoming RPG features both Eagle Vision and Eagle Sense as separate skills with Eagle Sense specifically being more similar to what Arno possessed including the memory transfer stuff. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 06:38, 27 August 2023 (UTC)		The upcoming RPG features both Eagle Vision and Eagle Sense as separate skills with Eagle Sense specifically being more similar to what Arno possessed including the memory transfer stuff. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 06:38, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

			== Arno's "Eagle Sense" ==

			It has come to my attention that this page explains Arno's EV in a wrongfully way. It describes it as a skill that has three levels: '''Eagle Pulse''', '''Eagle Sense''', and '''Communal Sense'''. I instantly remembered my time playing Unity and I could swear I never read or heard the words "Eagle Sense" in my playthroughs. Afaik, Arno never unlocked Eagle Sense. So I backtracked the source of this info and found it in one of [https://www.twitch.tv/videos/30627788 Ubi's 2014 E3 streams (01:38:37)]. It turns out the Unity team was invited to ''The Uplay Lounge'', a former Ubi show on twitch where some Ubi dev teams got invited to discuss several aspects from incoming games. In the show, Unity's director Alex Amancio explained how Arno's Eagle Vision worked in the game as an example of how each player's progression affected co-op sessions.

			<blockquote>''First level is called "Eagle Pulse", it just pulses and then it fades out. If you upgrade that to level 2, it becomes "Eagle Sense". So, you know, it's fully fledged Eagle Sense, you switch it on and only turns off if you do a high-profile action like you run and then it fades. But if you upgrade it to level 3, we call it "Communal Sense"; the information that actually appears on your screen actually is transferred also to your friend's screen when you're playing co-op, within a certain distance.''</blockquote>

			The description might have been given as just an example and it doesn't necessarily needs to be considered true, but this innacurate explanation it's actually featured in this page. This is not what we see in the game, there's no "level 2 EV" or even "level 3 EV" in Unity. In fact, EV cannot be upgraded via the skill tree; players can only unlock Communal Sense but as one of those special abilities intended for co-op missions, not as some upgrade tied to tiers ala God of War. One doesn't need "tier 2 EV" to unlock Communal Sense. Furthermore, aside from the fact that the game never calls it that, some of Arno's Eagle Pulse's features can be modified only by wearing certain gears; these change its duration, range, and cooldown. But these are passive effects, not upgrades per se. You apply these modifications but these doesn't upgrade Arno's Eagle Pulse to "level 2 EV".

			Perhaps Unity was going to incorporate Eagle Sense once more and it got cut. Perhaps Unity's director got confused and thought Eagle Vision was called "Eagle Sense", which is what most likely happened because not only does he calls it like that but also does [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG-ImjoPCAM Rogue's director Martin Capel (3:15)] and Darby McDevitt during [https://www.twitch.tv/videos/30626981 Unity's and Rogue's launch day celebration stream (41:40)]. Regardless of that, I think the current description is inaccurate and needs to be re-written. I'm just going to do that now, just wanted to explain my reasoning behind this.[[User:Cristophorus35\|Cristophorus35]] ([[User talk:Cristophorus35\|talk]]) 05:42, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

imported>Lacrossedeamon: /* AC RPG */ new section

2023-08-27T06:38:47Z

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	I think we should fully merger Athena's Sight into this article. The idea was brought up on that talk page but never followed through. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 09:42, 13 June 2021 (UTC)		I think we should fully merger Athena's Sight into this article. The idea was brought up on that talk page but never followed through. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 09:42, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

			== AC RPG ==

			The upcoming RPG features both Eagle Vision and Eagle Sense as separate skills with Eagle Sense specifically being more similar to what Arno possessed including the memory transfer stuff. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 06:38, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

imported>Lacrossedeamon: /* Add Athena's Sight */ new section

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	::::That is of course a more practical and secondary consideration. But I believe that it reinforces the fact that there is no reason why we cannot have both articles. Our article on Eagle Vision can define it as a manifestation of this sixth sense of "Knowledge", while "Knowledge" or "Sixth Sense" describes it in summary, but they don't necessarily need to be merged. I would argue that Eagle Vision is significant and prominent enough that it deserves its own article. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 21:01, July 22, 2019 (UTC)		::::That is of course a more practical and secondary consideration. But I believe that it reinforces the fact that there is no reason why we cannot have both articles. Our article on Eagle Vision can define it as a manifestation of this sixth sense of "Knowledge", while "Knowledge" or "Sixth Sense" describes it in summary, but they don't necessarily need to be merged. I would argue that Eagle Vision is significant and prominent enough that it deserves its own article. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 21:01, July 22, 2019 (UTC)
	:::::Zero and Sol have already described my sentiments on the matter here. While Eagle Vision is part of the Sixth Sense, it does not encompass the whole thing, and I do not see why we cannot have separate articles, one describing Eagle Vision and the other the more general concept of "Knowledge". Eagle Vision is too significant to be relegated to a sub-section of an article describing a term that is much less commonly known and understood. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 20:43, July 23, 2019 (UTC)		:::::Zero and Sol have already described my sentiments on the matter here. While Eagle Vision is part of the Sixth Sense, it does not encompass the whole thing, and I do not see why we cannot have separate articles, one describing Eagle Vision and the other the more general concept of "Knowledge". Eagle Vision is too significant to be relegated to a sub-section of an article describing a term that is much less commonly known and understood. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 20:43, July 23, 2019 (UTC)

			== Add Athena's Sight ==

			I think we should fully merger Athena's Sight into this article. The idea was brought up on that talk page but never followed through. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 09:42, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

imported>Soranin: /* Move to 'Knowledge' or 'Sixth Sense' */

2021-04-03T15:25:03Z

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	The events depicted in ''[[The Fate of Atlantis: Judgment of Atlantis]]''{{'}} introduction–specifically the dialogue between the protagonist and Poseidon–spell out plain what we have known to be true for a while now, Eagle Vision is a watered-down version of the Isu' "Sixth Sense", otherwise known as ''Knowledge''. Now, up until this point I would have argued that the term "Eagle Vision" has remained the best option when it comes to describing this… concept, but it has been a couple of releases now since the term really held any prominence within the series' lore. Indeed, I believe that it is now gradually being phased out in favour of calling it by its so-called real name, ''Knowledge'', and FoA:JoA appears to have doubled-down on this.		The events depicted in ''[[The Fate of Atlantis: Judgment of Atlantis]]''{{'}} introduction–specifically the dialogue between the protagonist and Poseidon–spell out plain what we have known to be true for a while now, Eagle Vision is a watered-down version of the Isu' "Sixth Sense", otherwise known as ''Knowledge''. Now, up until this point I would have argued that the term "Eagle Vision" has remained the best option when it comes to describing this… concept, but it has been a couple of releases now since the term really held any prominence within the series' lore. Indeed, I believe that it is now gradually being phased out in favour of calling it by its so-called real name, ''Knowledge'', and FoA:JoA appears to have doubled-down on this.

	As such, I am of the opinion that now is the time for us to move the article to [[Knowledge]], which is a more encompassing term that covers not only the Isu’ Sixth Sense, but the Assassins’ "Eagle Vision", and also the more expansive "Eagle Sense" too. I would also be prepared to accept a move to [[Sixth Sense]] if, for any reason, there were reservations about a move to [[Knowledge]].		As such, I am of the opinion that now is the time for us to move the article to Knowledge, which is a more encompassing term that covers not only the Isu’ Sixth Sense, but the Assassins’ "Eagle Vision", and also the more expansive "Eagle Sense" too. I would also be prepared to accept a move to Sixth Sense if, for any reason, there were reservations about a move to Knowledge.

	What are your thoughts? --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 09:41, July 22, 2019 (UTC)		What are your thoughts? --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 09:41, July 22, 2019 (UTC)
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	:I support the move. I think given the introduction of the eagle companions in ''Origins'' and ''Odyssey'' has definitely bring some confusion as to whether they can really be counted as 'Eagle Vision' in this sense. So I think this could cover that aspect maybe? [[User:XOdeyssusx\|XOdeyssusx]] ([[User talk:XOdeyssusx\|talk]]) 12:10, July 22, 2019 (UTC)		:I support the move. I think given the introduction of the eagle companions in ''Origins'' and ''Odyssey'' has definitely bring some confusion as to whether they can really be counted as 'Eagle Vision' in this sense. So I think this could cover that aspect maybe? [[User:XOdeyssusx\|XOdeyssusx]] ([[User talk:XOdeyssusx\|talk]]) 12:10, July 22, 2019 (UTC)

	::I also support the move and think we should use [[Knowledge]] as well but that’s mainly my bias against the term Sixth Sense when normal humans have more than six already. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 12:58, July 22, 2019 (UTC)		::I also support the move and think we should use Knowledge as well but that’s mainly my bias against the term Sixth Sense when normal humans have more than six already. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 12:58, July 22, 2019 (UTC)

	:::I disagree with the move. While Eagle Vision is, in fact, a more basic version of the Isu's sense of "Knowledge", it is very much its own thing with its own mechanics and permutations. As per Juno, they see the Blue Flash but they don't Know. Eagle Vision is the manifestation of Knowledge in humans but its not Knowledge itself.		:::I disagree with the move. While Eagle Vision is, in fact, a more basic version of the Isu's sense of "Knowledge", it is very much its own thing with its own mechanics and permutations. As per Juno, they see the Blue Flash but they don't Know. Eagle Vision is the manifestation of Knowledge in humans but its not Knowledge itself.

imported>Master Sima Yi: /* Move to 'Knowledge' or 'Sixth Sense' */

2019-07-23T20:43:09Z

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	::::I strongly oppose such a move as well. While I've always preferred lore-based interpretations in our articles rather than organizing based on gameplay, for once, in this case, I would have to agree with what Sima always told us about inconveniencing or confusing our audience. I think that concern very much applies here since Eagle Vision is such a hallmark of the series, and to have it such that it no longer has an article in its own right but absorbed into a more obscure and ambiguously defined concept dismantles our grounding in the series' defining tradition.		::::I strongly oppose such a move as well. While I've always preferred lore-based interpretations in our articles rather than organizing based on gameplay, for once, in this case, I would have to agree with what Sima always told us about inconveniencing or confusing our audience. I think that concern very much applies here since Eagle Vision is such a hallmark of the series, and to have it such that it no longer has an article in its own right but absorbed into a more obscure and ambiguously defined concept dismantles our grounding in the series' defining tradition.
	::::That is of course a more practical and secondary consideration. But I believe that it reinforces the fact that there is no reason why we cannot have both articles. Our article on Eagle Vision can define it as a manifestation of this sixth sense of "Knowledge", while "Knowledge" or "Sixth Sense" describes it in summary, but they don't necessarily need to be merged. I would argue that Eagle Vision is significant and prominent enough that it deserves its own article. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 21:01, July 22, 2019 (UTC)		::::That is of course a more practical and secondary consideration. But I believe that it reinforces the fact that there is no reason why we cannot have both articles. Our article on Eagle Vision can define it as a manifestation of this sixth sense of "Knowledge", while "Knowledge" or "Sixth Sense" describes it in summary, but they don't necessarily need to be merged. I would argue that Eagle Vision is significant and prominent enough that it deserves its own article. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 21:01, July 22, 2019 (UTC)
			:::::Zero and Sol have already described my sentiments on the matter here. While Eagle Vision is part of the Sixth Sense, it does not encompass the whole thing, and I do not see why we cannot have separate articles, one describing Eagle Vision and the other the more general concept of "Knowledge". Eagle Vision is too significant to be relegated to a sub-section of an article describing a term that is much less commonly known and understood. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 20:43, July 23, 2019 (UTC)

imported>Sol Pacificus: /* Move to 'Knowledge' or 'Sixth Sense' */

2019-07-22T21:01:56Z

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	:::There certainly deserves to be a "Knowledge" article, but I disagree with moving and merging this, especially based on dialogue that may or may not have happened in-canon. Kassandra never talked to Poseidon, and while the simulation ''may'' have been based on the genetic memories of a certain character, there is no indication that these conversations are anything but Alethea's fabrications, especially since the character whose memories could ''potentially'' be the source of simulation was decidedly ''not'' a hybrid and and as such could not have that explanation be given to them. — [[User:Zero-ELEC\|Zero-ELEC]] ([[User talk:Zero-ELEC\|talk]]) 18:49, July 22, 2019 (UTC)		:::There certainly deserves to be a "Knowledge" article, but I disagree with moving and merging this, especially based on dialogue that may or may not have happened in-canon. Kassandra never talked to Poseidon, and while the simulation ''may'' have been based on the genetic memories of a certain character, there is no indication that these conversations are anything but Alethea's fabrications, especially since the character whose memories could ''potentially'' be the source of simulation was decidedly ''not'' a hybrid and and as such could not have that explanation be given to them. — [[User:Zero-ELEC\|Zero-ELEC]] ([[User talk:Zero-ELEC\|talk]]) 18:49, July 22, 2019 (UTC)
	::::I strongly oppose such a move as well. While I've always preferred lore-based interpretations in our articles rather than organizing based on gameplay, for once, in this case, I would have to agree with what Sima always told us about inconveniencing or confusing our audience. I think that concern very much applies here since Eagle Vision is such a hallmark of the series, and to have it such that it no longer has an article in its own right but absorbed into a more obscure and ambiguously defined concept dismantles our grounding in the series' defining tradition.		::::I strongly oppose such a move as well. While I've always preferred lore-based interpretations in our articles rather than organizing based on gameplay, for once, in this case, I would have to agree with what Sima always told us about inconveniencing or confusing our audience. I think that concern very much applies here since Eagle Vision is such a hallmark of the series, and to have it such that it no longer has an article in its own right but absorbed into a more obscure and ambiguously defined concept dismantles our grounding in the series' defining tradition.
	:::::That is of course a more practical and secondary consideration. But I believe that it reinforces the fact that there is no reason why we cannot have both articles. Our article on Eagle Vision can define it as a manifestation of this sixth sense of "Knowledge", while "Knowledge" or "Sixth Sense" describes it in summary, but they don't necessarily need to be merged. I would argue that Eagle Vision is significant and prominent enough that it deserves its own article. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 21:01, July 22, 2019 (UTC)		::::That is of course a more practical and secondary consideration. But I believe that it reinforces the fact that there is no reason why we cannot have both articles. Our article on Eagle Vision can define it as a manifestation of this sixth sense of "Knowledge", while "Knowledge" or "Sixth Sense" describes it in summary, but they don't necessarily need to be merged. I would argue that Eagle Vision is significant and prominent enough that it deserves its own article. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 21:01, July 22, 2019 (UTC)

imported>Sol Pacificus: /* Move to 'Knowledge' or 'Sixth Sense' */

2019-07-22T21:01:18Z

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	:::There certainly deserves to be a "Knowledge" article, but I disagree with moving and merging this, especially based on dialogue that may or may not have happened in-canon. Kassandra never talked to Poseidon, and while the simulation ''may'' have been based on the genetic memories of a certain character, there is no indication that these conversations are anything but Alethea's fabrications, especially since the character whose memories could ''potentially'' be the source of simulation was decidedly ''not'' a hybrid and and as such could not have that explanation be given to them. — [[User:Zero-ELEC\|Zero-ELEC]] ([[User talk:Zero-ELEC\|talk]]) 18:49, July 22, 2019 (UTC)		:::There certainly deserves to be a "Knowledge" article, but I disagree with moving and merging this, especially based on dialogue that may or may not have happened in-canon. Kassandra never talked to Poseidon, and while the simulation ''may'' have been based on the genetic memories of a certain character, there is no indication that these conversations are anything but Alethea's fabrications, especially since the character whose memories could ''potentially'' be the source of simulation was decidedly ''not'' a hybrid and and as such could not have that explanation be given to them. — [[User:Zero-ELEC\|Zero-ELEC]] ([[User talk:Zero-ELEC\|talk]]) 18:49, July 22, 2019 (UTC)
			::::I strongly oppose such a move as well. While I've always preferred lore-based interpretations in our articles rather than organizing based on gameplay, for once, in this case, I would have to agree with what Sima always told us about inconveniencing or confusing our audience. I think that concern very much applies here since Eagle Vision is such a hallmark of the series, and to have it such that it no longer has an article in its own right but absorbed into a more obscure and ambiguously defined concept dismantles our grounding in the series' defining tradition.
			:::::That is of course a more practical and secondary consideration. But I believe that it reinforces the fact that there is no reason why we cannot have both articles. Our article on Eagle Vision can define it as a manifestation of this sixth sense of "Knowledge", while "Knowledge" or "Sixth Sense" describes it in summary, but they don't necessarily need to be merged. I would argue that Eagle Vision is significant and prominent enough that it deserves its own article. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 21:01, July 22, 2019 (UTC)

imported>Zero-ELEC: /* Move to 'Knowledge' or 'Sixth Sense' */ hard disagree

2019-07-22T18:49:31Z

Move to 'Knowledge' or 'Sixth Sense': hard disagree

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	::I also support the move and think we should use [[Knowledge]] as well but that’s mainly my bias against the term Sixth Sense when normal humans have more than six already. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 12:58, July 22, 2019 (UTC)		::I also support the move and think we should use [[Knowledge]] as well but that’s mainly my bias against the term Sixth Sense when normal humans have more than six already. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 12:58, July 22, 2019 (UTC)

			:::I disagree with the move. While Eagle Vision is, in fact, a more basic version of the Isu's sense of "Knowledge", it is very much its own thing with its own mechanics and permutations. As per Juno, they see the Blue Flash but they don't Know. Eagle Vision is the manifestation of Knowledge in humans but its not Knowledge itself.

			:::There certainly deserves to be a "Knowledge" article, but I disagree with moving and merging this, especially based on dialogue that may or may not have happened in-canon. Kassandra never talked to Poseidon, and while the simulation ''may'' have been based on the genetic memories of a certain character, there is no indication that these conversations are anything but Alethea's fabrications, especially since the character whose memories could ''potentially'' be the source of simulation was decidedly ''not'' a hybrid and and as such could not have that explanation be given to them. — [[User:Zero-ELEC\|Zero-ELEC]] ([[User talk:Zero-ELEC\|talk]]) 18:49, July 22, 2019 (UTC)