Talk:Domenico Auditore - Revision history

imported>Lacrossedeamon: /* Not born in 1296, not anymore */

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Not born in 1296, not anymore

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	::::::I'd say the year you refer would be 1296 + (x <= 20 years), when he met his wife. Considering 1296 as the birth year, the second plaque would establish a timejump, as in a math puzzle of somekind. But now we know it's no longer the case. [[User:Cristophorus35\|Cristophorus35]] ([[User talk:Cristophorus35\|talk]]) 01:02, 6 August 2025 (UTC)		::::::I'd say the year you refer would be 1296 + (x <= 20 years), when he met his wife. Considering 1296 as the birth year, the second plaque would establish a timejump, as in a math puzzle of somekind. But now we know it's no longer the case. [[User:Cristophorus35\|Cristophorus35]] ([[User talk:Cristophorus35\|talk]]) 01:02, 6 August 2025 (UTC)

			:::::::The "that" in the third plaque needs an antecedent; the only explicit one is 1296. You seem to be trying really hard to argue against your own position. Anyways I did find a bit of snag: [[Database: Dante's Pupil]] dates plaque 3 to June 17th, 1321. Obviously this has been retconned by Carneillon's journal in Unity but something to think about. Unfortunate because it would have fixed the time gap between planning to go to Spain and actually going. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 06:15, 9 August 2025 (UTC)

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	:::::The third plaque reads "Summer of that year...". What year? The only year mentioned is 1296 ergo... but the retcon I mean is in the fifth plaque Domenico talks as if he has never dealt with Templars himself. He needs to recall what others have told him, not his own dealings in helping plot their downfall. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 01:34, 5 August 2025 (UTC)		:::::The third plaque reads "Summer of that year...". What year? The only year mentioned is 1296 ergo... but the retcon I mean is in the fifth plaque Domenico talks as if he has never dealt with Templars himself. He needs to recall what others have told him, not his own dealings in helping plot their downfall. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 01:34, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

			::::::I'd say the year you refer would be 1296 + (x <= 20 years), when he met his wife. Considering 1296 as the birth year, the second plaque would establish a timejump, as in a math puzzle of somekind. But now we know it's no longer the case. [[User:Cristophorus35\|Cristophorus35]] ([[User talk:Cristophorus35\|talk]]) 01:02, 6 August 2025 (UTC)

imported>Lacrossedeamon at 01:35, 5 August 2025

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	::::I'd argue that the Infographics got the wrong reading, as "Venice, 1296" corresponds to the first plaque, the other two have different titles. But this is the way the Infographics went, so the info here should reflect that.		::::I'd argue that the Infographics got the wrong reading, as "Venice, 1296" corresponds to the first plaque, the other two have different titles. But this is the way the Infographics went, so the info here should reflect that.
	::::I don't think Domenico's finding out the Templar still being active is a retcon. Finding out they have returned, after assuming for 14 years that they were gone, might still surprise him.		::::I don't think Domenico's finding out the Templar still being active is a retcon. Finding out they have returned, after assuming for 14 years that they were gone, might still surprise him.
	I'll proceed with the edition, then.[[User:Cristophorus35\|Cristophorus35]] ([[User talk:Cristophorus35\|talk]]) 01:19, 5 August 2025 (UTC)		::::I'll proceed with the edition, then.[[User:Cristophorus35\|Cristophorus35]] ([[User talk:Cristophorus35\|talk]]) 01:19, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

	:::::The third plaque reads "Summer of that year...". What year? The only year mentioned is 1296 ergo... but the retcon I mean is in the fifth plaque Domenico talks as if he has never dealt with Templars himself. He needs to recall what others have told him, not his own dealings in helping plot their downfall. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 01:34, 5 August 2025 (UTC)		:::::The third plaque reads "Summer of that year...". What year? The only year mentioned is 1296 ergo... but the retcon I mean is in the fifth plaque Domenico talks as if he has never dealt with Templars himself. He needs to recall what others have told him, not his own dealings in helping plot their downfall. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 01:34, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

imported>Lacrossedeamon: /* Not born in 1296, not anymore */

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Not born in 1296, not anymore

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	::::I'd argue that the Infographics got the wrong reading, as "Venice, 1296" corresponds to the first plaque, the other two have different titles. But this is the way the Infographics went, so the info here should reflect that.		::::I'd argue that the Infographics got the wrong reading, as "Venice, 1296" corresponds to the first plaque, the other two have different titles. But this is the way the Infographics went, so the info here should reflect that.
	I don't think Domenico's finding out the Templar still being active is a retcon. Finding out they have returned, after assuming for 14 years that they were gone, might still surprise him.		::::I don't think Domenico's finding out the Templar still being active is a retcon. Finding out they have returned, after assuming for 14 years that they were gone, might still surprise him.
	I'll proceed with the edition, then.[[User:Cristophorus35\|Cristophorus35]] ([[User talk:Cristophorus35\|talk]]) 01:19, 5 August 2025 (UTC)		I'll proceed with the edition, then.[[User:Cristophorus35\|Cristophorus35]] ([[User talk:Cristophorus35\|talk]]) 01:19, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

			:::::The third plaque reads "Summer of that year...". What year? The only year mentioned is 1296 ergo... but the retcon I mean is in the fifth plaque Domenico talks as if he has never dealt with Templars himself. He needs to recall what others have told him, not his own dealings in helping plot their downfall. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 01:34, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

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	:::Yeah the plaques never even said nor really implied Domenico was born in 1296. A more valid reading regardless of Infographics puts the first three plagues in 1296 (although Renato would most likely be born a bit later). Now this presents a few of its own problems namely Dante being described as older seemingly in comparison to Domenico's father, a man in this scenario with an adult son next to a 31 year old, as well as bringing up the voyage to Spain even though 1296 is 25 years before it would happen (and the fact that Polo was potentially in jail in 1296 IRL). We also have to deal with the Unity mention from 1307. 1296 being Domenico's initiation date works well with this as it gives him 11 years being an Assassin to have his ideas respected by other Assassins like Carneillon. This does bring its own issue seemingly retconning Domenico's relationship to the Templars as implied by the 5th plaque. However despite all this I do agree with using 1296 as Domenico's initiation to the Assassins, not his birth. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 00:47, 3 August 2025 (UTC)		:::Yeah the plaques never even said nor really implied Domenico was born in 1296. A more valid reading regardless of Infographics puts the first three plagues in 1296 (although Renato would most likely be born a bit later). Now this presents a few of its own problems namely Dante being described as older seemingly in comparison to Domenico's father, a man in this scenario with an adult son next to a 31 year old, as well as bringing up the voyage to Spain even though 1296 is 25 years before it would happen (and the fact that Polo was potentially in jail in 1296 IRL). We also have to deal with the Unity mention from 1307. 1296 being Domenico's initiation date works well with this as it gives him 11 years being an Assassin to have his ideas respected by other Assassins like Carneillon. This does bring its own issue seemingly retconning Domenico's relationship to the Templars as implied by the 5th plaque. However despite all this I do agree with using 1296 as Domenico's initiation to the Assassins, not his birth. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 00:47, 3 August 2025 (UTC)

			::::I'd argue that the Infographics got the wrong reading, as "Venice, 1296" corresponds to the first plaque, the other two have different titles. But this is the way the Infographics went, so the info here should reflect that.
			I don't think Domenico's finding out the Templar still being active is a retcon. Finding out they have returned, after assuming for 14 years that they were gone, might still surprise him.
			I'll proceed with the edition, then.[[User:Cristophorus35\|Cristophorus35]] ([[User talk:Cristophorus35\|talk]]) 01:19, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

imported>Lacrossedeamon: /* Not born in 1296, not anymore */

2025-08-03T00:47:51Z

Not born in 1296, not anymore

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	Domenico becomes part of the nobility in Florence, establishes the Auditore family, and hunt the Templars as an Assassin.		Domenico becomes part of the nobility in Florence, establishes the Auditore family, and hunt the Templars as an Assassin.

	:With this in mind, I'll proceed with fixing this bit. [[User:Cristophorus35\|Cristophorus35]] ([[User talk:Cristophorus35\|talk]]) 00:00, 3 August 2025 (UTC)		With this in mind, I'll proceed with fixing this bit. [[User:Cristophorus35\|Cristophorus35]] ([[User talk:Cristophorus35\|talk]]) 00:00, 3 August 2025 (UTC)

	:From the Villa's page: The villa was constructed in 1290. [...] '''In August 1327, Domenico Auditore purchased the Villa''' and subsequently erected a new façade, as well as a painting gallery within the building.		:From the Villa's page: The villa was constructed in 1290. [...] '''In August 1327, Domenico Auditore purchased the Villa''' and subsequently erected a new façade, as well as a painting gallery within the building.
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	::Then, by canon, it's still wrong. The [[Assassin's Creed: Infographics]] book establish 1296 as the year he joined the Brotherhood, not by birth according to the stone plaques, not as his birth year. [[User:Cristophorus35\|Cristophorus35]] ([[User talk:Cristophorus35\|talk]]) 00:00, 3 August 2025 (UTC)		::Then, by canon, it's still wrong. The [[Assassin's Creed: Infographics]] book establish 1296 as the year he joined the Brotherhood, not by birth according to the stone plaques, not as his birth year. [[User:Cristophorus35\|Cristophorus35]] ([[User talk:Cristophorus35\|talk]]) 00:00, 3 August 2025 (UTC)

			:::Yeah the plaques never even said nor really implied Domenico was born in 1296. A more valid reading regardless of Infographics puts the first three plagues in 1296 (although Renato would most likely be born a bit later). Now this presents a few of its own problems namely Dante being described as older seemingly in comparison to Domenico's father, a man in this scenario with an adult son next to a 31 year old, as well as bringing up the voyage to Spain even though 1296 is 25 years before it would happen (and the fact that Polo was potentially in jail in 1296 IRL). We also have to deal with the Unity mention from 1307. 1296 being Domenico's initiation date works well with this as it gives him 11 years being an Assassin to have his ideas respected by other Assassins like Carneillon. This does bring its own issue seemingly retconning Domenico's relationship to the Templars as implied by the 5th plaque. However despite all this I do agree with using 1296 as Domenico's initiation to the Assassins, not his birth. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 00:47, 3 August 2025 (UTC)

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	Domenico becomes part of the nobility in Florence, establishes the Auditore family, and hunt the Templars as an Assassin.		Domenico becomes part of the nobility in Florence, establishes the Auditore family, and hunt the Templars as an Assassin.

	With this in mind, I'll proceed with fixing this bit.		:With this in mind, I'll proceed with fixing this bit. [[User:Cristophorus35\|Cristophorus35]] ([[User talk:Cristophorus35\|talk]]) 00:00, 3 August 2025 (UTC)

	From the Villa's page: The villa was constructed in 1290. [...] '''In August 1327, Domenico Auditore purchased the Villa''' and subsequently erected a new façade, as well as a painting gallery within the building.		:From the Villa's page: The villa was constructed in 1290. [...] '''In August 1327, Domenico Auditore purchased the Villa''' and subsequently erected a new façade, as well as a painting gallery within the building.

	So as far as we know, he was still born in 1296, he just wasn't the one who built the Villa. It doesn't matter that it wasn't confirmed until Brotherhood, it's still canon. [[User:Doxe di Costantinopoli\|Doxe di Costantinopoli]] ([[User talk:Doxe di Costantinopoli\|talk]]) 11:28, 2 August 2025 (UTC)		:So as far as we know, he was still born in 1296, he just wasn't the one who built the Villa. It doesn't matter that it wasn't confirmed until Brotherhood, it's still canon. [[User:Doxe di Costantinopoli\|Doxe di Costantinopoli]] ([[User talk:Doxe di Costantinopoli\|talk]]) 11:28, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

			::Then, by canon, it's still wrong. The [[Assassin's Creed: Infographics]] book establish 1296 as the year he joined the Brotherhood, not by birth according to the stone plaques, not as his birth year. [[User:Cristophorus35\|Cristophorus35]] ([[User talk:Cristophorus35\|talk]]) 00:00, 3 August 2025 (UTC)

imported>Doxe di Costantinopoli: /* Not born in 1296, not anymore */

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Not born in 1296, not anymore

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	From the Villa's page: The villa was constructed in 1290. [...] '''In August 1327, Domenico Auditore purchased the Villa''' and subsequently erected a new façade, as well as a painting gallery within the building.		From the Villa's page: The villa was constructed in 1290. [...] '''In August 1327, Domenico Auditore purchased the Villa''' and subsequently erected a new façade, as well as a painting gallery within the building.

	So as far as we know, he was still born in 1296, he just wasn't the one who built the Villa. [[User:Doxe di Costantinopoli\|Doxe di Costantinopoli]] ([[User talk:Doxe di Costantinopoli\|talk]]) 11:28, 2 August 2025 (UTC)		So as far as we know, he was still born in 1296, he just wasn't the one who built the Villa. It doesn't matter that it wasn't confirmed until Brotherhood, it's still canon. [[User:Doxe di Costantinopoli\|Doxe di Costantinopoli]] ([[User talk:Doxe di Costantinopoli\|talk]]) 11:28, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

imported>Doxe di Costantinopoli at 11:28, 2 August 2025

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	With this in mind, I'll proceed with fixing this bit.		With this in mind, I'll proceed with fixing this bit.

			From the Villa's page: The villa was constructed in 1290. [...] '''In August 1327, Domenico Auditore purchased the Villa''' and subsequently erected a new façade, as well as a painting gallery within the building.

			So as far as we know, he was still born in 1296, he just wasn't the one who built the Villa. [[User:Doxe di Costantinopoli\|Doxe di Costantinopoli]] ([[User talk:Doxe di Costantinopoli\|talk]]) 11:28, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

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	He was not born in 1296; the wiki labels this as the beginning of his "active" years. I assumed that just meant it was a rough estimate of his actual lifetime until I realized that it was impossible. Domenico and his family got on a boat heading towards Spain from Venice to flee Templars in 1321 after Dante's death. En route, pirates working for Templars killed his wife and sunk the ship. Domenico and his son Renato both survived by swimming to shore... from god knows where in the middle of the Mediterranean. If Domenico was born in 1296, he would have been 25 at this time. There was no way in hell he would have had time to have a son that was strong enough to survive that entire incident by 25. Rationally, the kid would probably have been 15 at the youngest, although maybe a very strong 8-year-old could survive with a miracle. Still, that means Renato would have been born sometime before 1306 (maybe 1313 at MOST). Which would mean Domenico would have been 10 when he was born. :/ Now, if you click on Dante's wiki page, there's a bit that says, "In the late 13th century, Dante was tasked with the training of the son of a fellow Assassin, who would later be known as Domenico Auditore." Late 13th century means the late 1200s... which is where the wiki gets the year 1296 as the beginning of Domenico's "active" years, since that's the year he started being trained. Now, it's implied by the wiki that Domenico gets married and has Renato before his father reveals he's an assassin and asks Dante to train him, meaning Domenico was probably in his mid/late-20s at the earliest in 1296. I'd place his year of birth at 1276 at the latest, but probably within the range of 1266-1276. That being said, I wish I could find the database entry that speaks of Domenico; I want to confirm that the real source also implies he already had Renato by the 1296. Since Domenico's training seemed to have lasted for 25 years, there's plenty of time in there to marry and have a kid ''during'' that time, rather than before, which would allow for his year of birth to be anytime earlier than 1286 (if he had Renato at 20 and Renato was 15 in 1321). Renato's son (Mario and Giovanni's father) started training his children in assassin ways from infancy, yet Giovanni waited to train his sons until they were in their early teens (and only a little bit of climbing and punching even then; Mario had to teach Ezio how to use a sword and Paoula had to teach Ezio how to blend), so there doesn't seem to be a hard-and-fast tradition on what age assassins start training their children. With all that being said, I'd put Domenico's birth date range from about 1266-1286. [[User:Spartanqueenem\|Spartanqueenem]] ([[User talk:Spartanqueenem\|talk]]) 01:44, September 9, 2018 (UTC) spartanqueenem		He was not born in 1296; the wiki labels this as the beginning of his "active" years. I assumed that just meant it was a rough estimate of his actual lifetime until I realized that it was impossible. Domenico and his family got on a boat heading towards Spain from Venice to flee Templars in 1321 after Dante's death. En route, pirates working for Templars killed his wife and sunk the ship. Domenico and his son Renato both survived by swimming to shore... from god knows where in the middle of the Mediterranean. If Domenico was born in 1296, he would have been 25 at this time. There was no way in hell he would have had time to have a son that was strong enough to survive that entire incident by 25. Rationally, the kid would probably have been 15 at the youngest, although maybe a very strong 8-year-old could survive with a miracle. Still, that means Renato would have been born sometime before 1306 (maybe 1313 at MOST). Which would mean Domenico would have been 10 when he was born. :/ Now, if you click on Dante's wiki page, there's a bit that says, "In the late 13th century, Dante was tasked with the training of the son of a fellow Assassin, who would later be known as Domenico Auditore." Late 13th century means the late 1200s... which is where the wiki gets the year 1296 as the beginning of Domenico's "active" years, since that's the year he started being trained. Now, it's implied by the wiki that Domenico gets married and has Renato before his father reveals he's an assassin and asks Dante to train him, meaning Domenico was probably in his mid/late-20s at the earliest in 1296. I'd place his year of birth at 1276 at the latest, but probably within the range of 1266-1276. That being said, I wish I could find the database entry that speaks of Domenico; I want to confirm that the real source also implies he already had Renato by the 1296. Since Domenico's training seemed to have lasted for 25 years, there's plenty of time in there to marry and have a kid ''during'' that time, rather than before, which would allow for his year of birth to be anytime earlier than 1286 (if he had Renato at 20 and Renato was 15 in 1321). Renato's son (Mario and Giovanni's father) started training his children in assassin ways from infancy, yet Giovanni waited to train his sons until they were in their early teens (and only a little bit of climbing and punching even then; Mario had to teach Ezio how to use a sword and Paoula had to teach Ezio how to blend), so there doesn't seem to be a hard-and-fast tradition on what age assassins start training their children. With all that being said, I'd put Domenico's birth date range from about 1266-1286. [[User:Spartanqueenem\|Spartanqueenem]] ([[User talk:Spartanqueenem\|talk]]) 01:44, September 9, 2018 (UTC) spartanqueenem

			== Not born in 1296, not anymore ==

			These observations are brought to us by Andrew Tarazed, from the AC LATAM comm.

			Domenico's birth year has been in quite the struggle. Not "that" big, but the lore can't seem to determine for good when Domenico was born.

			For starters, in ACII, the stone plaques fans can read when playing the Auditore Crypt level suggest Domenico was born in 1296. Nevertheless, the database establish the construction of Villa Auditore in 1290. Six years before Domenico was born. One could argue that it wasn't in 1290 that Domenico builds the Villa but in 1320, after the Florentine army attacked Monteriggioni. But this wasn't confirmed until AC Brotherhood. By itself, ACII doesn't give enough hints to suggest Domenico's intervention in 1320; it seems AC Brotherhood sought to fix this with an updated version of the Villa database entry. With this, 1296 sounded like a very plausible option for his birth year...

			... until AC Unity was released.

			In Thomas de Carneillon's diary, there's an entry that refers to Domenico and Dante as Assassin members in 1307. With this, 1296 can't be Domenico's birth year anymore. Doing maths, the difference between those years is 11. It's impossible for Domenico to be born, work as a sailor, meet Isabella, marry Isabella, have a child with her, and become a member of the Brotherhood just at 11 years old. Not to mention that he met Isabella when she was barely 20 years old. That should give us a hint, Domenico was 20 or a little bit older.

			Without the Unity bit, the timeline was good. But considering it, it should push Domenico's birth year quite back.

			Here's the timeline as for how the events go considering info from ACII, AC Brotherhood, and AC Unity:

			1290 = The original Villa is build.

			1296 = Domenico is born?

			Between 1296 and 1307 (11 years):
			Domenico becomes a sailor at quite a young age and works for Marco Polo.
			Domenico meets his future wife, Isabella, who is barely 20 años when they meet.
			Domenico marries Isabella and they both have a child.
			Domenico meets Dante and finds out his father is a member of the Brotherhood.

			1307 = Domenico befriends Thomas de Carneillon.

			1320 = Siege on Monteriggioni and destruction of the original Villa; Domenico buys the Villa to rebuild it.

			1321 = Dante Alighieri dies; Marco Polo shares his bank account with Domenico.

			1324 = Marco Polo dies.

			After 1324:
			Domenico finds out Marco Polo and his father are dead.
			Domenico becomes part of the nobility in Florence, establishes the Auditore family, and hunt the Templars as an Assassin.

			With this in mind, I'll proceed with fixing this bit.