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Soranin: Text replacement - "siniath" to "siniath"

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	Similarly, though the article [[Mercenary]] began in the same 'age' as 'Courtesan', that article is not called ''condottiero''.		Similarly, though the article [[Mercenary]] began in the same 'age' as 'Courtesan', that article is not called ''condottiero''.

	I suggest, therefore, that the name of the article is changed to either 'Prostitute' or 'Prostitution', following [[Piracy]] and {{Wiki\|Prostitution\|Wikipedia}}. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[~~w:c:assassinscreed:~~User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 08:51, May 6, 2019 (UTC)		I suggest, therefore, that the name of the article is changed to either 'Prostitute' or 'Prostitution', following [[Piracy]] and {{Wiki\|Prostitution\|Wikipedia}}. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 08:51, May 6, 2019 (UTC)
	:I think that you might have a point although I am having trouble appreciating a couple of your arguments.		:I think that you might have a point although I am having trouble appreciating a couple of your arguments.
	:First, if we're talking about which term is more fitting for in the context of more recent games, ''courtesan'' is not uneasy for ''hetaerae''. In fact, ''hetaerae'' would have been the quintessential ''courtesans'' in our sense of the word, more so than the prostitutes of the Italian Renaissance, because they were actually often ladies of the court—[[Aspasia]] being an prime example.		:First, if we're talking about which term is more fitting for in the context of more recent games, ''courtesan'' is not uneasy for ''hetaerae''. In fact, ''hetaerae'' would have been the quintessential ''courtesans'' in our sense of the word, more so than the prostitutes of the Italian Renaissance, because they were actually often ladies of the court—[[Aspasia]] being an prime example.
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	:With all of this out of the way, a strong argument that can actually be made for the page move is that ''prostitute'' is ultimately the most technical term that broadly covers all forms that prostitutes in the series have taken. In fact, while this page covers ''hetaerae'', there should probably be a main page for it. I would wait for the opinions of others before making such a move. I think due to how ingrained this euphemism is in ''Assassin's Creed'', we should exercise a little caution. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 12:04, May 6, 2019 (UTC)		:With all of this out of the way, a strong argument that can actually be made for the page move is that ''prostitute'' is ultimately the most technical term that broadly covers all forms that prostitutes in the series have taken. In fact, while this page covers ''hetaerae'', there should probably be a main page for it. I would wait for the opinions of others before making such a move. I think due to how ingrained this euphemism is in ''Assassin's Creed'', we should exercise a little caution. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 12:04, May 6, 2019 (UTC)

	::Didn't mean the meaning of it, but rather its anachronism; 'courtesan' is way younger term than 'hetaerae'. But granted, there is the connotation difference. While courtesans were 'ladies of the court', hetaerae could also be religious figures, referenced in-game as well. Something not traditionally associated with courtesans. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[~~w:c:assassinscreed:~~User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 12:49, May 6, 2019 (UTC)		::Didn't mean the meaning of it, but rather its anachronism; 'courtesan' is way younger term than 'hetaerae'. But granted, there is the connotation difference. While courtesans were 'ladies of the court', hetaerae could also be religious figures, referenced in-game as well. Something not traditionally associated with courtesans. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 12:49, May 6, 2019 (UTC)
	:::I think you're conflating ''courtesan'', as in actual courtesans, and ''courtesan'' as another word for ''prostitute'', but which bears the connotation of being courtly. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 14:02, May 6, 2019 (UTC)		:::I think you're conflating ''courtesan'', as in actual courtesans, and ''courtesan'' as another word for ''prostitute'', but which bears the connotation of being courtly. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 14:02, May 6, 2019 (UTC)
	:::And as for ''courtesan'' being an anachronism, I'm not sure how anachronistic a euphemism or synonym of ''prostitute'' really is in the context of Classical Greece since it might be argued that it's just another part of using modern English to discuss the ancient world anyways, i.e. they won't have known the English word ''prostitute'' either. It's not like using ''courtesan'' is applying a modern concept that they did not have. Anyway, I've asked Sima about it, and I hope others like Lacrosse and Odeyssus can weigh in too. The strongest argument for a move is that ''prostitute'' is the most technical, safest, and broadest term for all forms of ''prostitutes'', and I think that argument should be sufficient to justify a move, and I think that's really what you're getting at ultimately. It's just that all these other arguments being raised here are just a little shaky in my honest opinion. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 14:23, May 6, 2019 (UTC)		:::And as for ''courtesan'' being an anachronism, I'm not sure how anachronistic a euphemism or synonym of ''prostitute'' really is in the context of Classical Greece since it might be argued that it's just another part of using modern English to discuss the ancient world anyways, i.e. they won't have known the English word ''prostitute'' either. It's not like using ''courtesan'' is applying a modern concept that they did not have. Anyway, I've asked Sima about it, and I hope others like Lacrosse and Odeyssus can weigh in too. The strongest argument for a move is that ''prostitute'' is the most technical, safest, and broadest term for all forms of ''prostitutes'', and I think that argument should be sufficient to justify a move, and I think that's really what you're getting at ultimately. It's just that all these other arguments being raised here are just a little shaky in my honest opinion. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 14:23, May 6, 2019 (UTC)

imported>Darman36: /* Suggestion */

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	When this article was originally created due to AC2, the term 'Courtesan' was a clear and easy choice. Even though it strictly referred to a 'lady of the court', in AC it was used as a euphemism for a prostitute. Since then, there's been a slew of other terms used of people (usually women in AC) engaged in the activity of selling sex, and 'courtesan' is an uneasy fit when talking about ancient Greece's ''hetaerae'' or the Victorian 'unfortunate women'.		When this article was originally created due to AC2, the term 'Courtesan' was a clear and easy choice. Even though it strictly referred to a 'lady of the court', in AC it was used as a euphemism for a prostitute. Since then, there's been a slew of other terms used of people (usually women in AC) engaged in the activity of selling sex, and 'courtesan' is an uneasy fit when talking about ancient Greece's ''hetaerae'' or the Victorian 'unfortunate women'.

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	Let's wait two weeks from May 6, and if there are no objections by then, we will move it. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 20:32, May 7, 2019 (UTC)		Let's wait two weeks from May 6, and if there are no objections by then, we will move it. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 20:32, May 7, 2019 (UTC)
	:Another possibility is to create the article on prostitution (like you kinda suggeste), and cut down the article on courtesans to concern only the women in ''ACII'' and ''Brotherhood''. And like with the article on brothels, mention courtesans briefly and link to the main article. (May 6th wasn't one of my brightest days. These things happen. My apologies.) [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[~~w:c:assassinscreed:~~User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 11:39, May 8, 2019 (UTC)		:Another possibility is to create the article on prostitution (like you kinda suggeste), and cut down the article on courtesans to concern only the women in ''ACII'' and ''Brotherhood''. And like with the article on brothels, mention courtesans briefly and link to the main article. (May 6th wasn't one of my brightest days. These things happen. My apologies.) [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 11:39, May 8, 2019 (UTC)
			::I know it's years later, but thought I'd bump this discussion. I saw the phrase "women of the night" used in Hidden Ones DLC memory and noticed it links to Courtesan, even though the occupation still currently is meant as a catch-all for any sex worker. I checked this talk page, as I was sure others would have noted the incongruity, and also see that we left a unresolved. Do we still want to go ahead with it, even if it means substantial maintenance separating Ezio Saga uses of the word from users' retroactive interpretations for other media? – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 00:40, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

imported>塞垣雪: /* Courtesans vs. Concubines */

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	:Since there's at least some difference in meaning, I don't mind the continued existence of the Concubines article. I suggest you transfer any information about concubines that you might have missed (the Concubines article atm is pretty general) from the Courtesans article to your Concubines article. Then the concubines section on the Courtesans article can be removed. {{User:Crookandcharlatan/sig}} 09:09, January 24, 2017 (UTC)		:Since there's at least some difference in meaning, I don't mind the continued existence of the Concubines article. I suggest you transfer any information about concubines that you might have missed (the Concubines article atm is pretty general) from the Courtesans article to your Concubines article. Then the concubines section on the Courtesans article can be removed. {{User:Crookandcharlatan/sig}} 09:09, January 24, 2017 (UTC)

			::Having no intention of opening this discussion concluded a long time, I don't know whether I should put these words on this topic or the next one, but what i foucs on most is imperial concubines, so I venture to write down my opinions on this topic. The courtesans and the imperial concubines are obviously not lunmped together. There are Ottoman concubines, Mamluk concubines and ancient Chinese concubines, but But they are all attached to the rulers, usually having no chance to contact other normal men. And there usually no overt economic transaction between the two(perhaps one) genders. After reading sentence "In China, this role was largely served by the imperial concubines", I think we should delete the content which is not in line with the reality. [[User:一个赛艇门\|一个赛艇门]] ([[User talk:一个赛艇门\|talk]]) 05:27, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

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imported>Sadelyrate: /* Suggestion */

2019-05-08T11:39:59Z

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	Let's wait two weeks from May 6, and if there are no objections by then, we will move it. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 20:32, May 7, 2019 (UTC)		Let's wait two weeks from May 6, and if there are no objections by then, we will move it. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 20:32, May 7, 2019 (UTC)
			:Another possibility is to create the article on prostitution (like you kinda suggeste), and cut down the article on courtesans to concern only the women in ''ACII'' and ''Brotherhood''. And like with the article on brothels, mention courtesans briefly and link to the main article. (May 6th wasn't one of my brightest days. These things happen. My apologies.) [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 11:39, May 8, 2019 (UTC)

imported>Sol Pacificus: /* Suggestion */

2019-05-07T20:32:21Z

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	:::I think you're conflating ''courtesan'', as in actual courtesans, and ''courtesan'' as another word for ''prostitute'', but which bears the connotation of being courtly. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 14:02, May 6, 2019 (UTC)		:::I think you're conflating ''courtesan'', as in actual courtesans, and ''courtesan'' as another word for ''prostitute'', but which bears the connotation of being courtly. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 14:02, May 6, 2019 (UTC)
	:::And as for ''courtesan'' being an anachronism, I'm not sure how anachronistic a euphemism or synonym of ''prostitute'' really is in the context of Classical Greece since it might be argued that it's just another part of using modern English to discuss the ancient world anyways, i.e. they won't have known the English word ''prostitute'' either. It's not like using ''courtesan'' is applying a modern concept that they did not have. Anyway, I've asked Sima about it, and I hope others like Lacrosse and Odeyssus can weigh in too. The strongest argument for a move is that ''prostitute'' is the most technical, safest, and broadest term for all forms of ''prostitutes'', and I think that argument should be sufficient to justify a move, and I think that's really what you're getting at ultimately. It's just that all these other arguments being raised here are just a little shaky in my honest opinion. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 14:23, May 6, 2019 (UTC)		:::And as for ''courtesan'' being an anachronism, I'm not sure how anachronistic a euphemism or synonym of ''prostitute'' really is in the context of Classical Greece since it might be argued that it's just another part of using modern English to discuss the ancient world anyways, i.e. they won't have known the English word ''prostitute'' either. It's not like using ''courtesan'' is applying a modern concept that they did not have. Anyway, I've asked Sima about it, and I hope others like Lacrosse and Odeyssus can weigh in too. The strongest argument for a move is that ''prostitute'' is the most technical, safest, and broadest term for all forms of ''prostitutes'', and I think that argument should be sufficient to justify a move, and I think that's really what you're getting at ultimately. It's just that all these other arguments being raised here are just a little shaky in my honest opinion. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 14:23, May 6, 2019 (UTC)

			Let's wait two weeks from May 6, and if there are no objections by then, we will move it. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 20:32, May 7, 2019 (UTC)

imported>Sol Pacificus: /* Suggestion */

2019-05-06T14:25:56Z

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	::Didn't mean the meaning of it, but rather its anachronism; 'courtesan' is way younger term than 'hetaerae'. But granted, there is the connotation difference. While courtesans were 'ladies of the court', hetaerae could also be religious figures, referenced in-game as well. Something not traditionally associated with courtesans. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 12:49, May 6, 2019 (UTC)		::Didn't mean the meaning of it, but rather its anachronism; 'courtesan' is way younger term than 'hetaerae'. But granted, there is the connotation difference. While courtesans were 'ladies of the court', hetaerae could also be religious figures, referenced in-game as well. Something not traditionally associated with courtesans. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 12:49, May 6, 2019 (UTC)
	:::I think you're conflating ''courtesan'', as in actual courtesans, and ''courtesan'' as another word for ''prostitute'', but which bears the connotation of being courtly. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 14:02, May 6, 2019 (UTC)		:::I think you're conflating ''courtesan'', as in actual courtesans, and ''courtesan'' as another word for ''prostitute'', but which bears the connotation of being courtly. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 14:02, May 6, 2019 (UTC)
	:::And as for ''courtesan'' being an anachronism, I'm not sure how anachronistic a euphemism or synonym of ''prostitute'' really is in the context of Classical Greece since it might be argued that it's just another part of using modern English to discuss the ancient world anyways. It's not ~~like terms~~ like using a modern concept that they did not have. Anyway, I've asked Sima about it, and I hope others like Lacrosse and Odeyssus can weigh in too. The strongest argument for a move is that ''prostitute'' is the most technical, safest, and broadest term for all forms of ''prostitutes'', and I think that argument should be sufficient to justify a move, and I think that's really what you're getting at ultimately. It's just that all these other arguments being raised here are just a little shaky in my honest opinion. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 14:23, May 6, 2019 (UTC)		:::And as for ''courtesan'' being an anachronism, I'm not sure how anachronistic a euphemism or synonym of ''prostitute'' really is in the context of Classical Greece since it might be argued that it's just another part of using modern English to discuss the ancient world anyways, i.e. they won't have known the English word ''prostitute'' either. It's not like using ''courtesan'' is applying a modern concept that they did not have. Anyway, I've asked Sima about it, and I hope others like Lacrosse and Odeyssus can weigh in too. The strongest argument for a move is that ''prostitute'' is the most technical, safest, and broadest term for all forms of ''prostitutes'', and I think that argument should be sufficient to justify a move, and I think that's really what you're getting at ultimately. It's just that all these other arguments being raised here are just a little shaky in my honest opinion. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 14:23, May 6, 2019 (UTC)

imported>Sol Pacificus: /* Suggestion */

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	::Didn't mean the meaning of it, but rather its anachronism; 'courtesan' is way younger term than 'hetaerae'. But granted, there is the connotation difference. While courtesans were 'ladies of the court', hetaerae could also be religious figures, referenced in-game as well. Something not traditionally associated with courtesans. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 12:49, May 6, 2019 (UTC)		::Didn't mean the meaning of it, but rather its anachronism; 'courtesan' is way younger term than 'hetaerae'. But granted, there is the connotation difference. While courtesans were 'ladies of the court', hetaerae could also be religious figures, referenced in-game as well. Something not traditionally associated with courtesans. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 12:49, May 6, 2019 (UTC)
	:::I think you're conflating ''courtesan'', as in actual courtesans, and ''courtesan'' as another word for ''prostitute'', but which bears the connotation of being courtly. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 14:02, May 6, 2019 (UTC)		:::I think you're conflating ''courtesan'', as in actual courtesans, and ''courtesan'' as another word for ''prostitute'', but which bears the connotation of being courtly. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 14:02, May 6, 2019 (UTC)
			:::And as for ''courtesan'' being an anachronism, I'm not sure how anachronistic a euphemism or synonym of ''prostitute'' really is in the context of Classical Greece since it might be argued that it's just another part of using modern English to discuss the ancient world anyways. It's not like terms like using a modern concept that they did not have. Anyway, I've asked Sima about it, and I hope others like Lacrosse and Odeyssus can weigh in too. The strongest argument for a move is that ''prostitute'' is the most technical, safest, and broadest term for all forms of ''prostitutes'', and I think that argument should be sufficient to justify a move, and I think that's really what you're getting at ultimately. It's just that all these other arguments being raised here are just a little shaky in my honest opinion. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 14:23, May 6, 2019 (UTC)

imported>Sol Pacificus: /* Suggestion */

2019-05-06T14:02:53Z

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	::Didn't mean the meaning of it, but rather its anachronism; 'courtesan' is way younger term than 'hetaerae'. But granted, there is the connotation difference. While courtesans were 'ladies of the court', hetaerae could also be religious figures, referenced in-game as well. Something not traditionally associated with courtesans. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 12:49, May 6, 2019 (UTC)		::Didn't mean the meaning of it, but rather its anachronism; 'courtesan' is way younger term than 'hetaerae'. But granted, there is the connotation difference. While courtesans were 'ladies of the court', hetaerae could also be religious figures, referenced in-game as well. Something not traditionally associated with courtesans. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 12:49, May 6, 2019 (UTC)
			:::I think you're conflating ''courtesan'', as in actual courtesans, and ''courtesan'' as another word for ''prostitute'', but which bears the connotation of being courtly. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 14:02, May 6, 2019 (UTC)

imported>Sadelyrate: /* Suggestion */

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	:It's important to note that Ubisoft's choice to use the term ''courtesan'' over prostitute for the games set in the Renaissance likely has less to do with it being historically accurate but more to do with avoiding controversy and legal issues.		:It's important to note that Ubisoft's choice to use the term ''courtesan'' over prostitute for the games set in the Renaissance likely has less to do with it being historically accurate but more to do with avoiding controversy and legal issues.
	:With all of this out of the way, a strong argument that can actually be made for the page move is that ''prostitute'' is ultimately the most technical term that broadly covers all forms that prostitutes in the series have taken. In fact, while this page covers ''hetaerae'', there should probably be a main page for it. I would wait for the opinions of others before making such a move. I think due to how ingrained this euphemism is in ''Assassin's Creed'', we should exercise a little caution. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 12:04, May 6, 2019 (UTC)		:With all of this out of the way, a strong argument that can actually be made for the page move is that ''prostitute'' is ultimately the most technical term that broadly covers all forms that prostitutes in the series have taken. In fact, while this page covers ''hetaerae'', there should probably be a main page for it. I would wait for the opinions of others before making such a move. I think due to how ingrained this euphemism is in ''Assassin's Creed'', we should exercise a little caution. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 12:04, May 6, 2019 (UTC)

			::Didn't mean the meaning of it, but rather its anachronism; 'courtesan' is way younger term than 'hetaerae'. But granted, there is the connotation difference. While courtesans were 'ladies of the court', hetaerae could also be religious figures, referenced in-game as well. Something not traditionally associated with courtesans. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 12:49, May 6, 2019 (UTC)

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	isnt it when you build a brothel in Monteriggioni courtesans appear? [[User:XKMS Famine\|XKMS Famine]] 23:02, October 3, 2010 (UTC)		isnt it when you build a brothel in Monteriggioni courtesans appear? [[User:XKMS Famine\|XKMS Famine]] 23:02, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

	==OBJECTION!!==		==OBJECTION!!==



	I saw courtesans doing parkour, doing that run across walls where it's the one-foot-width wooden poles or the walls. [[User:Spartan-617\|Spartan-617]] 15:10, March 15, 2010 (UTC)		I saw courtesans doing parkour, doing that run across walls where it's the one-foot-width wooden poles or the walls. [[User:Spartan-617\|Spartan-617]] 15:10, March 15, 2010 (UTC)

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	:::I think you're conflating ''courtesan'', as in actual courtesans, and ''courtesan'' as another word for ''prostitute'', but which bears the connotation of being courtly. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 14:02, May 6, 2019 (UTC)		:::I think you're conflating ''courtesan'', as in actual courtesans, and ''courtesan'' as another word for ''prostitute'', but which bears the connotation of being courtly. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 14:02, May 6, 2019 (UTC)
	:::And as for ''courtesan'' being an anachronism, I'm not sure how anachronistic a euphemism or synonym of ''prostitute'' really is in the context of Classical Greece since it might be argued that it's just another part of using modern English to discuss the ancient world anyways, i.e. they won't have known the English word ''prostitute'' either. It's not like using ''courtesan'' is applying a modern concept that they did not have. Anyway, I've asked Sima about it, and I hope others like Lacrosse and Odeyssus can weigh in too. The strongest argument for a move is that ''prostitute'' is the most technical, safest, and broadest term for all forms of ''prostitutes'', and I think that argument should be sufficient to justify a move, and I think that's really what you're getting at ultimately. It's just that all these other arguments being raised here are just a little shaky in my honest opinion. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 14:23, May 6, 2019 (UTC)		:::And as for ''courtesan'' being an anachronism, I'm not sure how anachronistic a euphemism or synonym of ''prostitute'' really is in the context of Classical Greece since it might be argued that it's just another part of using modern English to discuss the ancient world anyways, i.e. they won't have known the English word ''prostitute'' either. It's not like using ''courtesan'' is applying a modern concept that they did not have. Anyway, I've asked Sima about it, and I hope others like Lacrosse and Odeyssus can weigh in too. The strongest argument for a move is that ''prostitute'' is the most technical, safest, and broadest term for all forms of ''prostitutes'', and I think that argument should be sufficient to justify a move, and I think that's really what you're getting at ultimately. It's just that all these other arguments being raised here are just a little shaky in my honest opinion. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 14:23, May 6, 2019 (UTC)

			Let's wait two weeks from May 6, and if there are no objections by then, we will move it. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 20:32, May 7, 2019 (UTC)

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	::Didn't mean the meaning of it, but rather its anachronism; 'courtesan' is way younger term than 'hetaerae'. But granted, there is the connotation difference. While courtesans were 'ladies of the court', hetaerae could also be religious figures, referenced in-game as well. Something not traditionally associated with courtesans. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 12:49, May 6, 2019 (UTC)		::Didn't mean the meaning of it, but rather its anachronism; 'courtesan' is way younger term than 'hetaerae'. But granted, there is the connotation difference. While courtesans were 'ladies of the court', hetaerae could also be religious figures, referenced in-game as well. Something not traditionally associated with courtesans. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 12:49, May 6, 2019 (UTC)
	:::I think you're conflating ''courtesan'', as in actual courtesans, and ''courtesan'' as another word for ''prostitute'', but which bears the connotation of being courtly. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 14:02, May 6, 2019 (UTC)		:::I think you're conflating ''courtesan'', as in actual courtesans, and ''courtesan'' as another word for ''prostitute'', but which bears the connotation of being courtly. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 14:02, May 6, 2019 (UTC)
	:::And as for ''courtesan'' being an anachronism, I'm not sure how anachronistic a euphemism or synonym of ''prostitute'' really is in the context of Classical Greece since it might be argued that it's just another part of using modern English to discuss the ancient world anyways. It's not ~~like terms~~ like using a modern concept that they did not have. Anyway, I've asked Sima about it, and I hope others like Lacrosse and Odeyssus can weigh in too. The strongest argument for a move is that ''prostitute'' is the most technical, safest, and broadest term for all forms of ''prostitutes'', and I think that argument should be sufficient to justify a move, and I think that's really what you're getting at ultimately. It's just that all these other arguments being raised here are just a little shaky in my honest opinion. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 14:23, May 6, 2019 (UTC)		:::And as for ''courtesan'' being an anachronism, I'm not sure how anachronistic a euphemism or synonym of ''prostitute'' really is in the context of Classical Greece since it might be argued that it's just another part of using modern English to discuss the ancient world anyways, i.e. they won't have known the English word ''prostitute'' either. It's not like using ''courtesan'' is applying a modern concept that they did not have. Anyway, I've asked Sima about it, and I hope others like Lacrosse and Odeyssus can weigh in too. The strongest argument for a move is that ''prostitute'' is the most technical, safest, and broadest term for all forms of ''prostitutes'', and I think that argument should be sufficient to justify a move, and I think that's really what you're getting at ultimately. It's just that all these other arguments being raised here are just a little shaky in my honest opinion. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 14:23, May 6, 2019 (UTC)

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	::Didn't mean the meaning of it, but rather its anachronism; 'courtesan' is way younger term than 'hetaerae'. But granted, there is the connotation difference. While courtesans were 'ladies of the court', hetaerae could also be religious figures, referenced in-game as well. Something not traditionally associated with courtesans. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 12:49, May 6, 2019 (UTC)		::Didn't mean the meaning of it, but rather its anachronism; 'courtesan' is way younger term than 'hetaerae'. But granted, there is the connotation difference. While courtesans were 'ladies of the court', hetaerae could also be religious figures, referenced in-game as well. Something not traditionally associated with courtesans. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 12:49, May 6, 2019 (UTC)
	:::I think you're conflating ''courtesan'', as in actual courtesans, and ''courtesan'' as another word for ''prostitute'', but which bears the connotation of being courtly. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 14:02, May 6, 2019 (UTC)		:::I think you're conflating ''courtesan'', as in actual courtesans, and ''courtesan'' as another word for ''prostitute'', but which bears the connotation of being courtly. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 14:02, May 6, 2019 (UTC)
			:::And as for ''courtesan'' being an anachronism, I'm not sure how anachronistic a euphemism or synonym of ''prostitute'' really is in the context of Classical Greece since it might be argued that it's just another part of using modern English to discuss the ancient world anyways. It's not like terms like using a modern concept that they did not have. Anyway, I've asked Sima about it, and I hope others like Lacrosse and Odeyssus can weigh in too. The strongest argument for a move is that ''prostitute'' is the most technical, safest, and broadest term for all forms of ''prostitutes'', and I think that argument should be sufficient to justify a move, and I think that's really what you're getting at ultimately. It's just that all these other arguments being raised here are just a little shaky in my honest opinion. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 14:23, May 6, 2019 (UTC)