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	Was cleopatra in possession of a piece of eden, it seems likely since there are so many accounts in history where cleopatra could have used one? and was she a member of the templars.		Was cleopatra in possession of a piece of eden, it seems likely since there are so many accounts in history where cleopatra could have used one? and was she a member of the templars.

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	==Cleopatra Possibly Not a Templar==		==Cleopatra Possibly Not a Templar==
	I believe there isn't enough evidence to say 100% whether Cleopatra is a Templar herself, or a pawn of them. Looking at the source used from Revelations, it doesn't actually directly state that Cleopatra herself was a Templar or necessarily affiliated with them, only that they were there/present when she claimed her birthright. It's vague enough that it's hard to 100% state at this point whether she is part of the Order or simply a pawn of the Templar order. The fact she would later be killed by a Assassin itself is also not proof positive that she is affiliated with the Templars. Until Origins comes out I think we should wait before calling her out as a Templar. --[[User:Nerdman3000\|Nerdman3000]] ([[User talk:Nerdman3000\|talk]]) 19:04, August 23, 2017 (UTC)		I believe there isn't enough evidence to say 100% whether Cleopatra is a Templar herself, or a pawn of them. Looking at the source used from Revelations, it doesn't actually directly state that Cleopatra herself was a Templar or necessarily affiliated with them, only that they were there/present when she claimed her birthright. It's vague enough that it's hard to 100% state at this point whether she is part of the Order or simply a pawn of the Templar order. The fact she would later be killed by a Assassin itself is also not proof positive that she is affiliated with the Templars. Until Origins comes out I think we should wait before calling her out as a Templar. --[[User:Nerdman3000\|Nerdman3000]] ([[User talk:Nerdman3000\|talk]]) 19:04, August 23, 2017 (UTC)

			== New full body render of Cleopatra ==

			The profile picture was just changed a few moments ago to a full body render, but it actually does not fit the box as well. Any way that we can have it fill in the box better? [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 13:14, August 24, 2017 (UTC)

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	So my question is: where does this piece of information come from? How do we know that the formers were mere Templar-manipulated pawns with little or no personal power, or perhaps were not even aware of being under Templar influence (!), while the latters were able to treat with the Order on an equal position? Is it sourced, or simple speculation? I'd really appreciate any answer. --[[User:Piero.schiavone1994\|Piero.schiavone1994]] ([[User talk:Piero.schiavone1994\|talk]]) 21:33, December 14, 2016 (UTC)		So my question is: where does this piece of information come from? How do we know that the formers were mere Templar-manipulated pawns with little or no personal power, or perhaps were not even aware of being under Templar influence (!), while the latters were able to treat with the Order on an equal position? Is it sourced, or simple speculation? I'd really appreciate any answer. --[[User:Piero.schiavone1994\|Piero.schiavone1994]] ([[User talk:Piero.schiavone1994\|talk]]) 21:33, December 14, 2016 (UTC)

	Looking at the source used, it doesn't actually directly state that Cleopatra herself was a Templar or necessarily affiliated with them, only that they were there/present when she claimed her birthright. It's vague enough that it's hard to 100% state at this point whether she is part of or pawn of the Templar order. The fact she would later be killed by a Assassin itself is also not proof positive that she is affiliated with the Templars. --[[User:Nerdman3000\|Nerdman3000]] ([[User talk:Nerdman3000\|talk]]) 19:04, August 23, 2017 (UTC)		==Cleopatra Possibly Not a Templar==
			I believe there isn't enough evidence to say 100% whether Cleopatra is a Templar herself, or a pawn of them. Looking at the source used from Revelations, it doesn't actually directly state that Cleopatra herself was a Templar or necessarily affiliated with them, only that they were there/present when she claimed her birthright. It's vague enough that it's hard to 100% state at this point whether she is part of the Order or simply a pawn of the Templar order. The fact she would later be killed by a Assassin itself is also not proof positive that she is affiliated with the Templars. Until Origins comes out I think we should wait before calling her out as a Templar. --[[User:Nerdman3000\|Nerdman3000]] ([[User talk:Nerdman3000\|talk]]) 19:04, August 23, 2017 (UTC)

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	* while [[Xerxes I of Persia]], [[Alexander the Great]], [[Qin Shi Huang]] are considered Templar ''allies''.		* while [[Xerxes I of Persia]], [[Alexander the Great]], [[Qin Shi Huang]] are considered Templar ''allies''.
	So my question is: where does this piece of information come from? How do we know that the formers were mere Templar-manipulated pawns with little or no personal power, or perhaps were not even aware of being under Templar influence (!), while the latters were able to treat with the Order on an equal position? Is it sourced, or simple speculation? I'd really appreciate any answer. --[[User:Piero.schiavone1994\|Piero.schiavone1994]] ([[User talk:Piero.schiavone1994\|talk]]) 21:33, December 14, 2016 (UTC)		So my question is: where does this piece of information come from? How do we know that the formers were mere Templar-manipulated pawns with little or no personal power, or perhaps were not even aware of being under Templar influence (!), while the latters were able to treat with the Order on an equal position? Is it sourced, or simple speculation? I'd really appreciate any answer. --[[User:Piero.schiavone1994\|Piero.schiavone1994]] ([[User talk:Piero.schiavone1994\|talk]]) 21:33, December 14, 2016 (UTC)
	** Looking at the source used, it doesn't actually directly state that Cleopatra herself was a Templar or necessarily affiliated with them, only that they were there/present when she claimed her birthright. It's vague enough that it's hard to 100% state at this point whether she is part of or pawn of the Templar order. The fact she would later be killed by a Assassin itself is also not proof positive that she is affiliated with the Templars. --[[User:Nerdman3000\|Nerdman3000]] ([[User talk:Nerdman3000\|talk]]) 19:04, August 23, 2017 (UTC)
			Looking at the source used, it doesn't actually directly state that Cleopatra herself was a Templar or necessarily affiliated with them, only that they were there/present when she claimed her birthright. It's vague enough that it's hard to 100% state at this point whether she is part of or pawn of the Templar order. The fact she would later be killed by a Assassin itself is also not proof positive that she is affiliated with the Templars. --[[User:Nerdman3000\|Nerdman3000]] ([[User talk:Nerdman3000\|talk]]) 19:04, August 23, 2017 (UTC)

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	* while [[Xerxes I of Persia]], [[Alexander the Great]], [[Qin Shi Huang]] are considered Templar ''allies''.		* while [[Xerxes I of Persia]], [[Alexander the Great]], [[Qin Shi Huang]] are considered Templar ''allies''.
	So my question is: where does this piece of information come from? How do we know that the formers were mere Templar-manipulated pawns with little or no personal power, or perhaps were not even aware of being under Templar influence (!), while the latters were able to treat with the Order on an equal position? Is it sourced, or simple speculation? I'd really appreciate any answer. --[[User:Piero.schiavone1994\|Piero.schiavone1994]] ([[User talk:Piero.schiavone1994\|talk]]) 21:33, December 14, 2016 (UTC)		So my question is: where does this piece of information come from? How do we know that the formers were mere Templar-manipulated pawns with little or no personal power, or perhaps were not even aware of being under Templar influence (!), while the latters were able to treat with the Order on an equal position? Is it sourced, or simple speculation? I'd really appreciate any answer. --[[User:Piero.schiavone1994\|Piero.schiavone1994]] ([[User talk:Piero.schiavone1994\|talk]]) 21:33, December 14, 2016 (UTC)
			** Looking at the source used, it doesn't actually directly state that Cleopatra herself was a Templar or necessarily affiliated with them, only that they were there/present when she claimed her birthright. It's vague enough that it's hard to 100% state at this point whether she is part of or pawn of the Templar order. The fact she would later be killed by a Assassin itself is also not proof positive that she is affiliated with the Templars. --[[User:Nerdman3000\|Nerdman3000]] ([[User talk:Nerdman3000\|talk]]) 19:04, August 23, 2017 (UTC)

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	:Speculation and assumption doesn't go on pages. I too believe she was a Templar, but we don't have a confirmation. We don't need pages riddled with people's speculations. Een fijne dag verder. -- [[User:Master Sima Yi\|Master Sima Yi]] 07:33, June 7, 2011 (UTC)		:Speculation and assumption doesn't go on pages. I too believe she was a Templar, but we don't have a confirmation. We don't need pages riddled with people's speculations. Een fijne dag verder. -- [[User:Master Sima Yi\|Master Sima Yi]] 07:33, June 7, 2011 (UTC)

			==Templar allies vs. Templar puppets==
			Hello everyone, I'm just copy-pasting on individual talk pages a question I posted on the [[Templars]] article talk which did not get any response.

			I noticed (just to stick to 5 out of 6 [[Assassin Seals]] targets plus Julius Caesar, as examples) that:
			* [[Gaius Julius Caesar]], [[Cleopatra]] and [[Caligula]] are considered Templar ''puppets'';
			* while [[Xerxes I of Persia]], [[Alexander the Great]], [[Qin Shi Huang]] are considered Templar ''allies''.
			So my question is: where does this piece of information come from? How do we know that the formers were mere Templar-manipulated pawns with little or no personal power, or perhaps were not even aware of being under Templar influence (!), while the latters were able to treat with the Order on an equal position? Is it sourced, or simple speculation? I'd really appreciate any answer. --[[User:Piero.schiavone1994\|Piero.schiavone1994]] ([[User talk:Piero.schiavone1994\|talk]]) 21:33, December 14, 2016 (UTC)

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	My Bad about the Julius Caesar comment, at the time someone said that he had a piece of eden on his page, it has since been taken down. either way, i'm not trying to start a problem, but im pretty sure that you have other pages that claims possibilities, and no one bothers to take them down. all im saying is, like other pages, that we could at least put the possibility that she was a templar, since what other reason could there be for having her assassinated, and just because other people were assassinated even though they werent templars, i still belive she had affiliations. also at the time of her assassination, she had suffered a crushing defeat, but also came close to conquering Asia Minor, and almost defeated rome, how could she have done??? well since she was assassinated by a famous assassin order, and was almost empress of the ancient world, she might've had a piece of eden to help her. im just saying it is quite possible. Tdhartjenatyahoo.		My Bad about the Julius Caesar comment, at the time someone said that he had a piece of eden on his page, it has since been taken down. either way, i'm not trying to start a problem, but im pretty sure that you have other pages that claims possibilities, and no one bothers to take them down. all im saying is, like other pages, that we could at least put the possibility that she was a templar, since what other reason could there be for having her assassinated, and just because other people were assassinated even though they werent templars, i still belive she had affiliations. also at the time of her assassination, she had suffered a crushing defeat, but also came close to conquering Asia Minor, and almost defeated rome, how could she have done??? well since she was assassinated by a famous assassin order, and was almost empress of the ancient world, she might've had a piece of eden to help her. im just saying it is quite possible. Tdhartjenatyahoo.

			:Speculation and assumption doesn't go on pages. I too believe she was a Templar, but we don't have a confirmation. We don't need pages riddled with people's speculations. Een fijne dag verder. -- [[User:Master Sima Yi\|Master Sima Yi]] 07:33, June 7, 2011 (UTC)

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	:"More possible than anyone else having one"? What the hell is that supposed to mean? And Caesar didn't have a PoE (that we know of). In any case, as Sima said, all of that remains pure speculation; there's absolutely no actual evidence of her having one. [[User:Guardian Assassin\|Guardian Assassin]] 22:51, June 3, 2011 (UTC)		:"More possible than anyone else having one"? What the hell is that supposed to mean? And Caesar didn't have a PoE (that we know of). In any case, as Sima said, all of that remains pure speculation; there's absolutely no actual evidence of her having one. [[User:Guardian Assassin\|Guardian Assassin]] 22:51, June 3, 2011 (UTC)

			My Bad about the Julius Caesar comment, at the time someone said that he had a piece of eden on his page, it has since been taken down. either way, i'm not trying to start a problem, but im pretty sure that you have other pages that claims possibilities, and no one bothers to take them down. all im saying is, like other pages, that we could at least put the possibility that she was a templar, since what other reason could there be for having her assassinated, and just because other people were assassinated even though they werent templars, i still belive she had affiliations. also at the time of her assassination, she had suffered a crushing defeat, but also came close to conquering Asia Minor, and almost defeated rome, how could she have done??? well since she was assassinated by a famous assassin order, and was almost empress of the ancient world, she might've had a piece of eden to help her. im just saying it is quite possible. Tdhartjenatyahoo.

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	:Someone needs to calm down, and first of all i agree with this person, forget her being a templar, but theree are numerous stories that allude to her possible ownership or use of own. she could have inherited alexander the greats, or even julius ceasars, since he was her lover she could have used it to make herself sole queen of egypt. and if she had alexander the greats, she could have used it to gain control over her two lovers. there are others, but im not saying she has one, but its more possible than anyone else having one. [[User:Tdhartjenatyahoo\|Tdhartjenatyahoo]] 18:49, January 2, 2011 (UTC)tdhartjenatyahoo[[User:Tdhartjenatyahoo\|Tdhartjenatyahoo]] 18:49, January 2, 2011 (UTC)		:Someone needs to calm down, and first of all i agree with this person, forget her being a templar, but theree are numerous stories that allude to her possible ownership or use of own. she could have inherited alexander the greats, or even julius ceasars, since he was her lover she could have used it to make herself sole queen of egypt. and if she had alexander the greats, she could have used it to gain control over her two lovers. there are others, but im not saying she has one, but its more possible than anyone else having one. [[User:Tdhartjenatyahoo\|Tdhartjenatyahoo]] 18:49, January 2, 2011 (UTC)tdhartjenatyahoo[[User:Tdhartjenatyahoo\|Tdhartjenatyahoo]] 18:49, January 2, 2011 (UTC)
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			:"More possible than anyone else having one"? What the hell is that supposed to mean? And Caesar didn't have a PoE (that we know of). In any case, as Sima said, all of that remains pure speculation; there's absolutely no actual evidence of her having one. [[User:Guardian Assassin\|Guardian Assassin]] 22:51, June 3, 2011 (UTC)

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	:If she was, it would be on the page, now wouldn't it? She was neither of those, for as far as we know. You can speculate on it, as long as you don't put it as fact on the article. And... SIGN YOUR POSTS!!! How many times do I have to repeat this to everybody?! -- [[User:Master Sima Yi\|Master Sima Yi]] 11:12, January 2, 2011 (UTC)		:If she was, it would be on the page, now wouldn't it? She was neither of those, for as far as we know. You can speculate on it, as long as you don't put it as fact on the article. And... SIGN YOUR POSTS!!! How many times do I have to repeat this to everybody?! -- [[User:Master Sima Yi\|Master Sima Yi]] 11:12, January 2, 2011 (UTC)
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	:Someone needs to calm down, and first of all i agree with this person, forget her being a templar, but theree are numerous stories that allude to her possible ownership or use of own. she could have inherited alexander the greats, or even julius ceasars, since he was her lover she could have used it to make herself sole queen of egypt. and if she had alexander the greats, she could have used it to gain control over her two lovers. there are others, but im not saying she has one, but its more possible than anyone else having one.		:Someone needs to calm down, and first of all i agree with this person, forget her being a templar, but theree are numerous stories that allude to her possible ownership or use of own. she could have inherited alexander the greats, or even julius ceasars, since he was her lover she could have used it to make herself sole queen of egypt. and if she had alexander the greats, she could have used it to gain control over her two lovers. there are others, but im not saying she has one, but its more possible than anyone else having one. [[User:Tdhartjenatyahoo\|Tdhartjenatyahoo]] 18:49, January 2, 2011 (UTC)tdhartjenatyahoo[[User:Tdhartjenatyahoo\|Tdhartjenatyahoo]] 18:49, January 2, 2011 (UTC)