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	The poison seems to be a play on of the movie Crank in which the main character is dosed with a poison cocktail that if he slows down he dies.		The poison seems to be a play on of the movie Crank in which the main character is dosed with a poison cocktail that if he slows down he dies.

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	::::@Sol Pacificus: Thanks for providing the psychologically-precise terminology to describe the point "hinting at [...] a [...] ship."		::::@Sol Pacificus: Thanks for providing the psychologically-precise terminology to describe the point "hinting at [...] a [...] ship."
	::::Not sure about the podcast though. Shay naturally had feelings for her; she did not reciprocate, as I could piece from Lessons and Revelations.		::::Not sure about the podcast though. Shay naturally had feelings for her; she did not reciprocate, as I could piece from Lessons and Revelations.
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	::I'm pretty sure Steven Piovesan confirmed in a podcast that Shay at least nursed a crush on Hope, though I doubt she ever returned his affections. Most of this would fall under assumption/speculation anyways, but we could, in theory, mention Steven Piovesan's comment on ShayxHope in Shay's trivia. {{User:Crookandcharlatan/sig}} 14:04, January 20, 2017 (UTC)		::I'm pretty sure Steven Piovesan confirmed in a podcast that Shay at least nursed a crush on Hope, though I doubt she ever returned his affections. Most of this would fall under assumption/speculation anyways, but we could, in theory, mention Steven Piovesan's comment on ShayxHope in Shay's trivia. {{User:Crookandcharlatan/sig}} 14:04, January 20, 2017 (UTC)

			::::@Sol Pacificus: Thanks for providing the psychologically-precise terminology to describe the point "hinting at [...] a [...] ship."
			::::Not sure about the podcast though. Shay naturally had feelings for her; she did not reciprocate, as I could piece from Lessons and Revelations.
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imported>Crookandcharlatan at 14:04, 20 January 2017

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	:The implication of romantic affection between the two is there, there's a difference between romantic feelings and being a couple. Romantic affection is a spectrum, and two people can exhibit hints of them long before they ever they really confirm those feelings or enter into a relationship. That is to say, just because they gave some hints of it, doesn't mean they were lovers ''per se'', and shipping is when two people actually finalize the love by becoming an official couple. So canonically they haven't been confirmed to be lovers. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 14:00, January 20, 2017 (UTC)		:The implication of romantic affection between the two is there, there's a difference between romantic feelings and being a couple. Romantic affection is a spectrum, and two people can exhibit hints of them long before they ever they really confirm those feelings or enter into a relationship. That is to say, just because they gave some hints of it, doesn't mean they were lovers ''per se'', and shipping is when two people actually finalize the love by becoming an official couple. So canonically they haven't been confirmed to be lovers. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 14:00, January 20, 2017 (UTC)

			::I'm pretty sure Steven Piovesan confirmed in a podcast that Shay at least nursed a crush on Hope, though I doubt she ever returned his affections. Most of this would fall under assumption/speculation anyways, but we could, in theory, mention Steven Piovesan's comment on ShayxHope in Shay's trivia. {{User:Crookandcharlatan/sig}} 14:04, January 20, 2017 (UTC)

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			:The implication of romantic affection between the two is there, there's a difference between romantic feelings and being a couple. Romantic affection is a spectrum, and two people can exhibit hints of them long before they ever they really confirm those feelings or enter into a relationship. That is to say, just because they gave some hints of it, doesn't mean they were lovers ''per se'', and shipping is when two people actually finalize the love by becoming an official couple. So canonically they haven't been confirmed to be lovers. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 14:00, January 20, 2017 (UTC)

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	Just an observation, but (re)playing through this memory, I personally conclude that there's a strong hinting at what is thus far a non-canon "ship" - Shay and Hope.		Just an observation, but (re)playing through this memory, I personally conclude that there's a strong hinting at what is thus far a non-canon "ship" - Shay and Hope.

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imported>Jetfire343 at 13:07, 20 January 2017

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	:::Not here to discuss the science behind fiction (see what I did there?), but (and for a moment, deleting every bit of Science I know) if there's a neurotoxin that works by inhibiting the beating of the heart, but not stopping the influence of external stimulus on the same, such effect may be observed.		:::Not here to discuss the science behind fiction (see what I did there?), but (and for a moment, deleting every bit of Science I know) if there's a neurotoxin that works by inhibiting the beating of the heart, but not stopping the influence of external stimulus on the same, such effect may be observed.
	:::[[User:Jetfire343\|Jetfire343]] ([[User talk:Jetfire343\|Dispatch a messenger]]) 13:06, January 20, 2017 (UTC)		:::[[User:Jetfire343\|Jetfire343]] ([[User talk:Jetfire343\|Dispatch a messenger]]) 13:06, January 20, 2017 (UTC)

			==Implications==
			Just an observation, but (re)playing through this memory, I personally conclude that there's a strong hinting at what is thus far a non-canon "ship" - Shay and Hope.

			[[User:Jetfire343\|Jetfire343]] ([[User talk:Jetfire343\|talk]]) 13:07, January 20, 2017 (UTC)

imported>Jetfire343 at 13:06, 20 January 2017

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	:::Not here to discuss the science behind fiction (see what I did there?), but (and for a moment, deleting every bit of Science I know) if there's a neurotoxin that works by inhibiting the beating of the heart, but not stopping the influence of external stimulus on the same, such effect may be observed.		:::Not here to discuss the science behind fiction (see what I did there?), but (and for a moment, deleting every bit of Science I know) if there's a neurotoxin that works by inhibiting the beating of the heart, but not stopping the influence of external stimulus on the same, such effect may be observed.
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imported>Jetfire343 at 13:06, 20 January 2017

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	:I highly doubt that. Also, the whole mechanic is ass-backwards - physical exertion would speed the blood flow, spreading the poison through the body, rather than slowing its effects. Hell, Ezio mentions this in Revelations during Mercenary HQ mission. --<span style="text-shadow: black 1px 2px 3px;">[[User:Kainzorus Prime\|<font color="#7575DB" face="OCR A" size="4">Kainzorus Prime</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Kainzorus Prime\|<font color="#7575DB" size="6">⚜</font>]] [[User talk:Kainzorus Prime\|<font color="#4C99A6"><sup>Walkie-talkie</sup></font>]]</span> 20:50, February 1, 2015 (UTC)		:I highly doubt that. Also, the whole mechanic is ass-backwards - physical exertion would speed the blood flow, spreading the poison through the body, rather than slowing its effects. Hell, Ezio mentions this in Revelations during Mercenary HQ mission. --<span style="text-shadow: black 1px 2px 3px;">[[User:Kainzorus Prime\|<font color="#7575DB" face="OCR A" size="4">Kainzorus Prime</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Kainzorus Prime\|<font color="#7575DB" size="6">⚜</font>]] [[User talk:Kainzorus Prime\|<font color="#4C99A6"><sup>Walkie-talkie</sup></font>]]</span> 20:50, February 1, 2015 (UTC)

			:::Not here to discuss the science behind fiction (see what I did there?), but (and for a moment, deleting every bit of Science I know) if there's a neurotoxin that works by inhibiting the beating of the heart, but not stopping the influence of external stimulus on the same, such effect may be observed.
			:::[[User:Jetfire343\|Jetfire343]] ([[User talk:Jetfire343\|talk]]) 13:06, January 20, 2017 (UTC)

imported>Kainzorus Prime at 20:50, 1 February 2015

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			The poison seems to be a play on of the movie Crank in which the main character is dosed with a poison cocktail that if he slows down he dies.

	~~The~~ poison ~~seems to be a play on of~~ the ~~movie Crank~~ in ~~which the main character is dosed with a poison cocktail that if he slows down he dies~~.		:I highly doubt that. Also, the whole mechanic is ass-backwards - physical exertion would speed the blood flow, spreading the poison through the body, rather than slowing its effects. Hell, Ezio mentions this in Revelations during Mercenary HQ mission. --<span style="text-shadow: black 1px 2px 3px;">[[User:Kainzorus Prime\|<font color="#7575DB" face="OCR A" size="4">Kainzorus Prime</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Kainzorus Prime\|<font color="#7575DB" size="6">⚜</font>]] [[User talk:Kainzorus Prime\|<font color="#4C99A6"><sup>Walkie-talkie</sup></font>]]</span> 20:50, February 1, 2015 (UTC)