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<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Renaissance Assassin attire</span></span></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en-GB"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 16:44, 22 November 2021</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l169">Line 169:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 169:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The Assassins during the Third Crusade had a uniform guideline; the Grand Master wore black, Master Assassins wore white, etc. Did the Renaissance Assassins have a dress code for their robes; I know most of the other Assassins didn&#039;t wear any robes (Niccolo didn&#039;t, Paola didn&#039;t etc.) except for Ezio and his Brotherhood, were they supposed to have a code similar to the Assassins of the Third Crusade? [[User:BleedingEffect|BleedingEffect]] 16:44, November 23, 2010 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The Assassins during the Third Crusade had a uniform guideline; the Grand Master wore black, Master Assassins wore white, etc. Did the Renaissance Assassins have a dress code for their robes; I know most of the other Assassins didn&#039;t wear any robes (Niccolo didn&#039;t, Paola didn&#039;t etc.) except for Ezio and his Brotherhood, were they supposed to have a code similar to the Assassins of the Third Crusade? [[User:BleedingEffect|BleedingEffect]] 16:44, November 23, 2010 (UTC)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I don't think that assassin's in the Renaissance have a dresscode. they are supposed to just blend in, Giovanni only used his hooded suited so he wouldn't be recongnised and i think Ezio and his brotherhood all wear the hooded suits because the war with the Templars is no longer hidden and so its kind of like a unifrom. [[Jon Shannow]] 17:31, November 23, 2010 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I don't think that assassin's in the Renaissance have a dresscode. they are supposed to just blend in, Giovanni only used his hooded suited so he wouldn't be recongnised and i think Ezio and his brotherhood all wear the hooded suits because the war with the Templars is no longer hidden and so its kind of like a unifrom. [[<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">User:Jon Shannow|</ins>Jon Shannow]] 17:31, November 23, 2010 (UTC)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>== Founder ==</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>== Founder ==</div></td></tr> </table>

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<p>Vatsa1708 moved page <a href="/wiki/Talk:Assassins" title="Talk:Assassins">Talk:Assassins</a> to <a href="/wiki/Talk:Assassins/Archive_1" title="Talk:Assassins/Archive 1">Talk:Assassins/Archive 1</a> without leaving a redirect</p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en-GB"> <td colspan="1" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="1" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 10:34, 12 May 2013</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-notice" lang="en-GB"><div class="mw-diff-empty">(No difference)</div> </td></tr></table>

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<p>Reverted edits by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/AgentG231" title="Special:Contributions/AgentG231">AgentG231</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AgentG231" title="User talk:AgentG231">talk</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Block/AgentG231" title="Special:Block/AgentG231">block</a>) to last version by <a href="/index.php?title=User:108.237.177.203&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User:108.237.177.203 (page does not exist)">108.237.177.203</a></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en-GB"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 10:34, 12 May 2013</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l427">Line 427:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 427:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I personally do not see why we should have this section. Whether the Assassins and Templars are good or bad is for each individual to interpret, and that is the same for whether their actions are good or bad. It doesn&#039;t need to be mentioned what the majority believes to be ethically just or unjust. Besides, the majority of the information on the article is a repetition of what is already (or what should be) in the history sections. We don&#039;t have a section on the Templars page explaining which of their actions can be considered &#039;good&#039; either. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 13:35, April 6, 2013 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I personally do not see why we should have this section. Whether the Assassins and Templars are good or bad is for each individual to interpret, and that is the same for whether their actions are good or bad. It doesn&#039;t need to be mentioned what the majority believes to be ethically just or unjust. Besides, the majority of the information on the article is a repetition of what is already (or what should be) in the history sections. We don&#039;t have a section on the Templars page explaining which of their actions can be considered &#039;good&#039; either. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 13:35, April 6, 2013 (UTC)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">== Why? ==</del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Slate, why did you undo my revision? Thanks.</del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Cheers,</del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[User:AgentG231|&lt;span style="font-family:Impact;font-size:18px;color: Red;"&gt;AgentG231&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:AgentG231|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Trebuchet;font-size:12px;color:Blue;"&gt;The nice guy&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;]] 08:27, May 12, 2013 (UTC)</del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr> </table>

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<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Why?: </span> new section</span></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en-GB"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 10:27, 12 May 2013</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l427">Line 427:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 427:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I personally do not see why we should have this section. Whether the Assassins and Templars are good or bad is for each individual to interpret, and that is the same for whether their actions are good or bad. It doesn&#039;t need to be mentioned what the majority believes to be ethically just or unjust. Besides, the majority of the information on the article is a repetition of what is already (or what should be) in the history sections. We don&#039;t have a section on the Templars page explaining which of their actions can be considered &#039;good&#039; either. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 13:35, April 6, 2013 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I personally do not see why we should have this section. Whether the Assassins and Templars are good or bad is for each individual to interpret, and that is the same for whether their actions are good or bad. It doesn&#039;t need to be mentioned what the majority believes to be ethically just or unjust. Besides, the majority of the information on the article is a repetition of what is already (or what should be) in the history sections. We don&#039;t have a section on the Templars page explaining which of their actions can be considered &#039;good&#039; either. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 13:35, April 6, 2013 (UTC)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">== Why? ==</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Slate, why did you undo my revision? Thanks.</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Cheers,</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[User:AgentG231|&lt;span style="font-family:Impact;font-size:18px;color: Red;"&gt;AgentG231&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:AgentG231|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Trebuchet;font-size:12px;color:Blue;"&gt;The nice guy&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;]] 08:27, May 12, 2013 (UTC)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

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<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Controversy section = purely subjective</span></span></p> <a href="https://assassinscreedwiki.accesstheanimus.com/index.php?title=Talk:Assassins/Archive_1&amp;diff=583337&amp;oldid=583336">Show changes</a>

108.237.177.203 https://assassinscreedwiki.accesstheanimus.com/index.php?title=Talk:Assassins/Archive_1&diff=583336&oldid=prev 2013-04-06T13:35:52Z

<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Controversy section = purely subjective</span></span></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en-GB"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 15:35, 6 April 2013</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l256">Line 256:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 256:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>== Controversy section = purely subjective ==</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>== Controversy section = purely subjective ==</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Despite its emphasis on a neutral perspective of the Assassins and Templars, the Controversy section in this article is nevertheless completely one-sided and almost antagonistic towards the Assassins and their beliefs.&lt;/p&gt;</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">&lt;small&gt;</ins>&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Despite its emphasis on a neutral perspective of the Assassins and Templars, the Controversy section in this article is nevertheless completely one-sided and almost antagonistic towards the Assassins and their beliefs.&lt;/p&gt;</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;Of course, one would assert that that is exactly what a &quot;controversy&quot; section is meant to be. The problem here is not that criticism is being presented against the Assassins but that such criticism is being presented from an almost purely subjective point-of-view. I was of the idea that &quot;controversy&quot; sections in Wiki articles were generally meant to be written from a more objective and neutral PoV, for instance, citing criticisms that had been presented against the subject in question, such as from reviews (or in this case, in-universe characters?). However, the section is written as though it originated from a single user&#039;s own interpretation and view.&lt;/p&gt;</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;Of course, one would assert that that is exactly what a &quot;controversy&quot; section is meant to be. The problem here is not that criticism is being presented against the Assassins but that such criticism is being presented from an almost purely subjective point-of-view. I was of the idea that &quot;controversy&quot; sections in Wiki articles were generally meant to be written from a more objective and neutral PoV, for instance, citing criticisms that had been presented against the subject in question, such as from reviews (or in this case, in-universe characters?). However, the section is written as though it originated from a single user&#039;s own interpretation and view.&lt;/p&gt;</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l352">Line 352:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 352:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>There are enough quotes by the Assassins themselves, such as in Altaïr&#039;s codex, that acknowledges the flaws in their order, methods, and beliefs. These could be used as reference, in addition to criticism by their mortal enemies, the Templars. But to adopt and maintain a neutral tone, it has to be clear that the criticism given are only the ones mentioned by in-universe characters, and not by some user that, no offense, should apply the skills (s)he learned from English class back in school and analyze the franchise with all its characters and themes as though it were a literature assignment.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>There are enough quotes by the Assassins themselves, such as in Altaïr&#039;s codex, that acknowledges the flaws in their order, methods, and beliefs. These could be used as reference, in addition to criticism by their mortal enemies, the Templars. But to adopt and maintain a neutral tone, it has to be clear that the criticism given are only the ones mentioned by in-universe characters, and not by some user that, no offense, should apply the skills (s)he learned from English class back in school and analyze the franchise with all its characters and themes as though it were a literature assignment.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Overall, the entire section should be rewritten; if not, then it should be outright removed. It does not belong in an encyclopedia that is meant to promote accurate and non-biased information. [[Special:Contributions/108.237.177.203|108.237.177.203]] 12:39, April 2, 2013 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Overall, the entire section should be rewritten; if not, then it should be outright removed. It does not belong in an encyclopedia that is meant to promote accurate and non-biased information. [[Special:Contributions/108.237.177.203|108.237.177.203]] 12:39, April 2, 2013 (UTC)<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">&lt;/small&gt;</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:I, admittedly, stopped reading after a couple of paragraphs; so I will simply say that if you have an issue with the paragraph&#039;s bias, then rewrite it. --{{Signature/Jasca Ducato}} 11:37, April 3, 2013 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:I, admittedly, stopped reading after a couple of paragraphs; so I will simply say that if you have an issue with the paragraph&#039;s bias, then rewrite it. --{{Signature/Jasca Ducato}} 11:37, April 3, 2013 (UTC)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:: I am planning to do so, but I felt that it would be better to discuss this issue with fellow contributers beforehand. I may not have the time to rewrite it in any case, but given the biased and misguiding state of this section, I will remove it (by the end of the week unless someone strongly disagrees) regardless of whether or not I get the chance to rewrite it in the near-future. These articles are meant to not only be neutral but also to present accurate information. In this case, the section was making claims that are contradicted by objective evidence, so in the event that no one will get the chance to rewrite it soon enough, I will take the initiative to simply remove it since its existence is detrimental to the overall quality of the article. [[Special:Contributions/108.237.177.203|108.237.177.203]] 23:34, April 4, 2013 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:: I am planning to do so, but I felt that it would be better to discuss this issue with fellow contributers beforehand. I may not have the time to rewrite it in any case, but given the biased and misguiding state of this section, I will remove it (by the end of the week unless someone strongly disagrees) regardless of whether or not I get the chance to rewrite it in the near-future. These articles are meant to not only be neutral but also to present accurate information. In this case, the section was making claims that are contradicted by objective evidence, so in the event that no one will get the chance to rewrite it soon enough, I will take the initiative to simply remove it since its existence is detrimental to the overall quality of the article. [[Special:Contributions/108.237.177.203|108.237.177.203]] 23:34, April 4, 2013 (UTC)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::I can tell you now that if it was simply removed I would very quickly re-add it. As it stands, the section&#039;s troubles are more to do with being POV than biased which does warrant a out-right deletion. I would suggest taking your time with plans to rewrite the section and make the change once you have a draft you are happy with. --{{Signature/Jasca Ducato}} 23:46, April 4, 2013 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::I can tell you now that if it was simply removed I would very quickly re-add it. As it stands, the section&#039;s troubles are more to do with being POV than biased which does warrant a out-right deletion. I would suggest taking your time with plans to rewrite the section and make the change once you have a draft you are happy with. --{{Signature/Jasca Ducato}} 23:46, April 4, 2013 (UTC)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::: That's reasonable. I would, however, recommend that if you have time, read my entire writing up there, if you haven't already. In case any misunderstandings are to arise, esp. since I respectfully disagree that the section's troubles "are more to do with PoV than biased." [[Special:Contributions/108.237.177.203|108.237.177.203]] 00:11, April 5, 2013 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::That's reasonable. I would, however, recommend that if you have time, read my entire writing up there, if you haven't already. In case any misunderstandings are to arise, esp. since I respectfully disagree that the section's troubles "are more to do with PoV than biased." [[Special:Contributions/108.237.177.203|108.237.177.203]] 00:11, April 5, 2013 (UTC)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>You&#039;ll need an account, as anons can&#039;t edit this page. Or you could send someone your draft and they&#039;ll do it, I suppose. --{{User:The Crimson Eagle/sig}} 23:53, April 4, 2013 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>You&#039;ll need an account, as anons can&#039;t edit this page. Or you could send someone your draft and they&#039;ll do it, I suppose. --{{User:The Crimson Eagle/sig}} 23:53, April 4, 2013 (UTC)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l363">Line 363:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 367:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Just a note, Jasca and Kainzorous just disputed me correcting the part describing Connor&#039;s quest as being about vengeance when that was only part of the reason he hunted the Templars (you know, securing the freedom of the people of America, indigenous and colonist, by ensuring they wouldn&#039;t prematurely open the sanctuary): that&#039;s just an example of how subjective and poorly written the whole section is. Perhaps the whole section simply need concentrate more on the Assassins&#039; own doubts and regrets: using quotes from Altair, Connor, Nikolai, and Shaun and Rebecca. --[[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] ([[User talk:Alientraveller|talk]]) 13:29, April 6, 2013 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Just a note, Jasca and Kainzorous just disputed me correcting the part describing Connor&#039;s quest as being about vengeance when that was only part of the reason he hunted the Templars (you know, securing the freedom of the people of America, indigenous and colonist, by ensuring they wouldn&#039;t prematurely open the sanctuary): that&#039;s just an example of how subjective and poorly written the whole section is. Perhaps the whole section simply need concentrate more on the Assassins&#039; own doubts and regrets: using quotes from Altair, Connor, Nikolai, and Shaun and Rebecca. --[[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] ([[User talk:Alientraveller|talk]]) 13:29, April 6, 2013 (UTC)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">I personally do not see why we should have this section. Whether the Assassins and Templars are good or bad is for each individual to interpret, and that is the same for whether their actions are good or bad. It doesn't need to be mentioned what the majority believes to be ethically just or unjust. Besides, the majority of the information on the article is a repetition of what is already (or what should be) in the history sections. We don't have a section on the Templars page explaining which of their actions can be considered 'good' either. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 13:35, April 6, 2013 (UTC)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

imported>Master Sima Yi https://assassinscreedwiki.accesstheanimus.com/index.php?title=Talk:Assassins/Archive_1&diff=583335&oldid=prev 2013-04-06T13:29:21Z

<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Controversy section = purely subjective</span></span></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en-GB"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 15:29, 6 April 2013</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l361">Line 361:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 361:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>: I&#039;ll create an account soon enough. [[Special:Contributions/108.237.177.203|108.237.177.203]] 00:11, April 5, 2013 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>: I&#039;ll create an account soon enough. [[Special:Contributions/108.237.177.203|108.237.177.203]] 00:11, April 5, 2013 (UTC)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Just a note, Jasca and Kainzorous just disputed me correcting the part describing Connor's quest as being about vengeance when that was only part of the reason he hunted the Templars (you know, securing the freedom of the people of America, indigenous and colonist, by ensuring they wouldn't prematurely open the sanctuary): that's just an example of how subjective and poorly written the whole section is. Perhaps the whole section simply need concentrate more on the Assassins' own doubts and regrets: using quotes from Altair, Connor, Nikolai, and Shaun and Rebecca. --[[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] ([[User talk:Alientraveller|talk]]) 13:29, April 6, 2013 (UTC)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

imported>Alientraveller https://assassinscreedwiki.accesstheanimus.com/index.php?title=Talk:Assassins/Archive_1&diff=583334&oldid=prev 2013-04-05T00:11:32Z

<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Controversy section = purely subjective</span></span></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en-GB"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 02:11, 5 April 2013</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l356">Line 356:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 356:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:: I am planning to do so, but I felt that it would be better to discuss this issue with fellow contributers beforehand. I may not have the time to rewrite it in any case, but given the biased and misguiding state of this section, I will remove it (by the end of the week unless someone strongly disagrees) regardless of whether or not I get the chance to rewrite it in the near-future. These articles are meant to not only be neutral but also to present accurate information. In this case, the section was making claims that are contradicted by objective evidence, so in the event that no one will get the chance to rewrite it soon enough, I will take the initiative to simply remove it since its existence is detrimental to the overall quality of the article. [[Special:Contributions/108.237.177.203|108.237.177.203]] 23:34, April 4, 2013 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:: I am planning to do so, but I felt that it would be better to discuss this issue with fellow contributers beforehand. I may not have the time to rewrite it in any case, but given the biased and misguiding state of this section, I will remove it (by the end of the week unless someone strongly disagrees) regardless of whether or not I get the chance to rewrite it in the near-future. These articles are meant to not only be neutral but also to present accurate information. In this case, the section was making claims that are contradicted by objective evidence, so in the event that no one will get the chance to rewrite it soon enough, I will take the initiative to simply remove it since its existence is detrimental to the overall quality of the article. [[Special:Contributions/108.237.177.203|108.237.177.203]] 23:34, April 4, 2013 (UTC)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::I can tell you now that if it was simply removed I would very quickly re-add it. As it stands, the section&#039;s troubles are more to do with being POV than biased which does warrant a out-right deletion. I would suggest taking your time with plans to rewrite the section and make the change once you have a draft you are happy with. --{{Signature/Jasca Ducato}} 23:46, April 4, 2013 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::I can tell you now that if it was simply removed I would very quickly re-add it. As it stands, the section&#039;s troubles are more to do with being POV than biased which does warrant a out-right deletion. I would suggest taking your time with plans to rewrite the section and make the change once you have a draft you are happy with. --{{Signature/Jasca Ducato}} 23:46, April 4, 2013 (UTC)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:::: That's reasonable. I would, however, recommend that if you have time, read my entire writing up there, if you haven't already. In case any misunderstandings are to arise, esp. since I respectfully disagree that the section's troubles "are more to do with PoV than biased." [[Special:Contributions/108.237.177.203|108.237.177.203]] 00:11, April 5, 2013 (UTC)</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>You&#039;ll need an account, as anons can&#039;t edit this page. Or you could send someone your draft and they&#039;ll do it, I suppose. --{{User:The Crimson Eagle/sig}} 23:53, April 4, 2013 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>You&#039;ll need an account, as anons can&#039;t edit this page. Or you could send someone your draft and they&#039;ll do it, I suppose. --{{User:The Crimson Eagle/sig}} 23:53, April 4, 2013 (UTC)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">: I'll create an account soon enough. [[Special:Contributions/108.237.177.203|108.237.177.203]] 00:11, April 5, 2013 (UTC)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

108.237.177.203 https://assassinscreedwiki.accesstheanimus.com/index.php?title=Talk:Assassins/Archive_1&diff=583333&oldid=prev 2013-04-04T23:53:10Z

<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Controversy section = purely subjective</span></span></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en-GB"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 01:53, 5 April 2013</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l356">Line 356:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 356:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:: I am planning to do so, but I felt that it would be better to discuss this issue with fellow contributers beforehand. I may not have the time to rewrite it in any case, but given the biased and misguiding state of this section, I will remove it (by the end of the week unless someone strongly disagrees) regardless of whether or not I get the chance to rewrite it in the near-future. These articles are meant to not only be neutral but also to present accurate information. In this case, the section was making claims that are contradicted by objective evidence, so in the event that no one will get the chance to rewrite it soon enough, I will take the initiative to simply remove it since its existence is detrimental to the overall quality of the article. [[Special:Contributions/108.237.177.203|108.237.177.203]] 23:34, April 4, 2013 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:: I am planning to do so, but I felt that it would be better to discuss this issue with fellow contributers beforehand. I may not have the time to rewrite it in any case, but given the biased and misguiding state of this section, I will remove it (by the end of the week unless someone strongly disagrees) regardless of whether or not I get the chance to rewrite it in the near-future. These articles are meant to not only be neutral but also to present accurate information. In this case, the section was making claims that are contradicted by objective evidence, so in the event that no one will get the chance to rewrite it soon enough, I will take the initiative to simply remove it since its existence is detrimental to the overall quality of the article. [[Special:Contributions/108.237.177.203|108.237.177.203]] 23:34, April 4, 2013 (UTC)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::I can tell you now that if it was simply removed I would very quickly re-add it. As it stands, the section&#039;s troubles are more to do with being POV than biased which does warrant a out-right deletion. I would suggest taking your time with plans to rewrite the section and make the change once you have a draft you are happy with. --{{Signature/Jasca Ducato}} 23:46, April 4, 2013 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::I can tell you now that if it was simply removed I would very quickly re-add it. As it stands, the section&#039;s troubles are more to do with being POV than biased which does warrant a out-right deletion. I would suggest taking your time with plans to rewrite the section and make the change once you have a draft you are happy with. --{{Signature/Jasca Ducato}} 23:46, April 4, 2013 (UTC)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">You'll need an account, as anons can't edit this page. Or you could send someone your draft and they'll do it, I suppose. --{{User:The Crimson Eagle/sig}} 23:53, April 4, 2013 (UTC)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

imported>The Crimson Eagle https://assassinscreedwiki.accesstheanimus.com/index.php?title=Talk:Assassins/Archive_1&diff=583332&oldid=prev 2013-04-04T23:46:15Z

<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Controversy section = purely subjective</span></span></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en-GB"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 01:46, 5 April 2013</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l355">Line 355:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 355:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:I, admittedly, stopped reading after a couple of paragraphs; so I will simply say that if you have an issue with the paragraph&#039;s bias, then rewrite it. --{{Signature/Jasca Ducato}} 11:37, April 3, 2013 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:I, admittedly, stopped reading after a couple of paragraphs; so I will simply say that if you have an issue with the paragraph&#039;s bias, then rewrite it. --{{Signature/Jasca Ducato}} 11:37, April 3, 2013 (UTC)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:: I am planning to do so, but I felt that it would be better to discuss this issue with fellow contributers beforehand. I may not have the time to rewrite it in any case, but given the biased and misguiding state of this section, I will remove it (by the end of the week unless someone strongly disagrees) regardless of whether or not I get the chance to rewrite it in the near-future. These articles are meant to not only be neutral but also to present accurate information. In this case, the section was making claims that are contradicted by objective evidence, so in the event that no one will get the chance to rewrite it soon enough, I will take the initiative to simply remove it since its existence is detrimental to the overall quality of the article. [[Special:Contributions/108.237.177.203|108.237.177.203]] 23:34, April 4, 2013 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:: I am planning to do so, but I felt that it would be better to discuss this issue with fellow contributers beforehand. I may not have the time to rewrite it in any case, but given the biased and misguiding state of this section, I will remove it (by the end of the week unless someone strongly disagrees) regardless of whether or not I get the chance to rewrite it in the near-future. These articles are meant to not only be neutral but also to present accurate information. In this case, the section was making claims that are contradicted by objective evidence, so in the event that no one will get the chance to rewrite it soon enough, I will take the initiative to simply remove it since its existence is detrimental to the overall quality of the article. [[Special:Contributions/108.237.177.203|108.237.177.203]] 23:34, April 4, 2013 (UTC)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:::I can tell you now that if it was simply removed I would very quickly re-add it. As it stands, the section's troubles are more to do with being POV than biased which does warrant a out-right deletion. I would suggest taking your time with plans to rewrite the section and make the change once you have a draft you are happy with. --{{Signature/Jasca Ducato}} 23:46, April 4, 2013 (UTC)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

imported>Jasca Ducato