Talk:Assassin's Creed: Visionaries - Revision history

imported>Sol Pacificus: /* Unofficial production */

2023-05-12T01:29:47Z

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	:::::Hmm, that is a weird one, since Penny came up with it before AC1 released and it was later included in ''Limited Editions''. Soranin and Sol, what are your opinions? You've both voiced desires to wipe the page and its files, but since you always want justifications for {Propose delete}, why do you two feel so strongly? – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 13:00, 8 May 2023 (UTC)<br><br>As of exactly 3hrs ago, the fundraiser has ended and fallen short as we thought it would, ultimately collecting ~64K or 51% of its 125K goal. So now what? – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 19:00, 10 May 2023 (UTC)		:::::Hmm, that is a weird one, since Penny came up with it before AC1 released and it was later included in ''Limited Editions''. Soranin and Sol, what are your opinions? You've both voiced desires to wipe the page and its files, but since you always want justifications for {Propose delete}, why do you two feel so strongly? – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 13:00, 8 May 2023 (UTC)<br><br>As of exactly 3hrs ago, the fundraiser has ended and fallen short as we thought it would, ultimately collecting ~64K or 51% of its 125K goal. So now what? – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 19:00, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
	::::::I also disagree with deleting the Visionaries pages; although non-canon, they are part of AC history as a product. Now, Studio Lounak has confirmed that they will talk with Ubi to see if these stories can be rescued and featured in some other media, so we should keep this for now. What we could do now is maybe ask Studio Lounak if they don't mind for the ACWiki to keep this pages public. What do you think?[[User:Cristophorus35\|Cristophorus35]] ([[User talk:Cristophorus35\|talk]]) 22:18, 11 May 2023 (UTC)		::::::I also disagree with deleting the Visionaries pages; although non-canon, they are part of AC history as a product. Now, Studio Lounak has confirmed that they will talk with Ubi to see if these stories can be rescued and featured in some other media, so we should keep this for now. What we could do now is maybe ask Studio Lounak if they don't mind for the ACWiki to keep this pages public. What do you think?[[User:Cristophorus35\|Cristophorus35]] ([[User talk:Cristophorus35\|talk]]) 22:18, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
	::::::I voted for purging all ''Visionaries'' prior to learning that it is actually officially licensed by Ubisoft. To be clear, our wiki has established the precedent that articles on fan content and fan communities (but not original fanon works created on the wiki) are permitted at our discretion. When I thought that ''Visionaries'' wasn't licensed by Ubisoft, I thought it wasn't a fan project of merit or significance enough to have a place on our wiki. Since it is apparently officially licensed, however, I will have to change my mind and agree that it should stay (apart from being otherwise outvoted that is :P). [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 01:29, 12 May 2023 (UTC)		:::::::I voted for purging all ''Visionaries'' prior to learning that it is actually officially licensed by Ubisoft. To be clear, our wiki has established the precedent that articles on fan content and fan communities (but not original fanon works created on the wiki) are permitted at our discretion. When I thought that ''Visionaries'' wasn't licensed by Ubisoft, I thought it wasn't a fan project of merit or significance enough to have a place on our wiki. Since it is apparently officially licensed, however, I will have to change my mind and agree that it should stay (apart from being otherwise outvoted that is :P). [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 01:29, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

imported>Sol Pacificus: /* Unofficial production */

2023-05-12T01:29:26Z

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	:::::Hmm, that is a weird one, since Penny came up with it before AC1 released and it was later included in ''Limited Editions''. Soranin and Sol, what are your opinions? You've both voiced desires to wipe the page and its files, but since you always want justifications for {Propose delete}, why do you two feel so strongly? – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 13:00, 8 May 2023 (UTC)<br><br>As of exactly 3hrs ago, the fundraiser has ended and fallen short as we thought it would, ultimately collecting ~64K or 51% of its 125K goal. So now what? – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 19:00, 10 May 2023 (UTC)		:::::Hmm, that is a weird one, since Penny came up with it before AC1 released and it was later included in ''Limited Editions''. Soranin and Sol, what are your opinions? You've both voiced desires to wipe the page and its files, but since you always want justifications for {Propose delete}, why do you two feel so strongly? – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 13:00, 8 May 2023 (UTC)<br><br>As of exactly 3hrs ago, the fundraiser has ended and fallen short as we thought it would, ultimately collecting ~64K or 51% of its 125K goal. So now what? – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 19:00, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
	::::::I also disagree with deleting the Visionaries pages; although non-canon, they are part of AC history as a product. Now, Studio Lounak has confirmed that they will talk with Ubi to see if these stories can be rescued and featured in some other media, so we should keep this for now. What we could do now is maybe ask Studio Lounak if they don't mind for the ACWiki to keep this pages public. What do you think?[[User:Cristophorus35\|Cristophorus35]] ([[User talk:Cristophorus35\|talk]]) 22:18, 11 May 2023 (UTC)		::::::I also disagree with deleting the Visionaries pages; although non-canon, they are part of AC history as a product. Now, Studio Lounak has confirmed that they will talk with Ubi to see if these stories can be rescued and featured in some other media, so we should keep this for now. What we could do now is maybe ask Studio Lounak if they don't mind for the ACWiki to keep this pages public. What do you think?[[User:Cristophorus35\|Cristophorus35]] ([[User talk:Cristophorus35\|talk]]) 22:18, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
			::::::I voted for purging all ''Visionaries'' prior to learning that it is actually officially licensed by Ubisoft. To be clear, our wiki has established the precedent that articles on fan content and fan communities (but not original fanon works created on the wiki) are permitted at our discretion. When I thought that ''Visionaries'' wasn't licensed by Ubisoft, I thought it wasn't a fan project of merit or significance enough to have a place on our wiki. Since it is apparently officially licensed, however, I will have to change my mind and agree that it should stay (apart from being otherwise outvoted that is :P). [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 01:29, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

imported>Cristophorus35: Cris' response added.

2023-05-11T22:18:39Z

Cris' response added.

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	::::We also have stuff like the Penny Arcade comic. BOV didn't just start out as fan KS but neither did this. They both had contact with Ubisoft before their campaigns started. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 01:51, 8 May 2023 (UTC)		::::We also have stuff like the Penny Arcade comic. BOV didn't just start out as fan KS but neither did this. They both had contact with Ubisoft before their campaigns started. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 01:51, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
	:::::Hmm, that is a weird one, since Penny came up with it before AC1 released and it was later included in ''Limited Editions''. Soranin and Sol, what are your opinions? You've both voiced desires to wipe the page and its files, but since you always want justifications for {Propose delete}, why do you two feel so strongly? – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 13:00, 8 May 2023 (UTC)<br><br>As of exactly 3hrs ago, the fundraiser has ended and fallen short as we thought it would, ultimately collecting ~64K or 51% of its 125K goal. So now what? – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 19:00, 10 May 2023 (UTC)		:::::Hmm, that is a weird one, since Penny came up with it before AC1 released and it was later included in ''Limited Editions''. Soranin and Sol, what are your opinions? You've both voiced desires to wipe the page and its files, but since you always want justifications for {Propose delete}, why do you two feel so strongly? – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 13:00, 8 May 2023 (UTC)<br><br>As of exactly 3hrs ago, the fundraiser has ended and fallen short as we thought it would, ultimately collecting ~64K or 51% of its 125K goal. So now what? – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 19:00, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
			::::::I also disagree with deleting the Visionaries pages; although non-canon, they are part of AC history as a product. Now, Studio Lounak has confirmed that they will talk with Ubi to see if these stories can be rescued and featured in some other media, so we should keep this for now. What we could do now is maybe ask Studio Lounak if they don't mind for the ACWiki to keep this pages public. What do you think?[[User:Cristophorus35\|Cristophorus35]] ([[User talk:Cristophorus35\|talk]]) 22:18, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

imported>Darman36: /Unofficial production/ Fundraiser has now ended and failed, as we thought it would. Now what?

2023-05-10T19:00:25Z

Unofficial production: Fundraiser has now ended and failed, as we thought it would. Now what?

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	:::But for ''Visions'', Lucasfilm still reached out to other animation studios to make intentionally non-canon shorts using the ''Star Wars'' aesthetic. BOV was originally a fan Kickstarter campaign? Huh. I, uh...never really had read the ''Development'' section of its page and always thought it had ties to Ubisoft somehow, other than what is evidently buying license use and being officially supported. [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 10:50, 7 May 2023 (UTC)		:::But for ''Visions'', Lucasfilm still reached out to other animation studios to make intentionally non-canon shorts using the ''Star Wars'' aesthetic. BOV was originally a fan Kickstarter campaign? Huh. I, uh...never really had read the ''Development'' section of its page and always thought it had ties to Ubisoft somehow, other than what is evidently buying license use and being officially supported. [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 10:50, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
	::::We also have stuff like the Penny Arcade comic. BOV didn't just start out as fan KS but neither did this. They both had contact with Ubisoft before their campaigns started. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 01:51, 8 May 2023 (UTC)		::::We also have stuff like the Penny Arcade comic. BOV didn't just start out as fan KS but neither did this. They both had contact with Ubisoft before their campaigns started. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 01:51, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
	:::::Hmm, that is a weird one, since Penny came up with it before AC1 released and it was later included in ''Limited Editions''. Soranin and Sol, what are your opinions ~~on this~~? You've both voiced desires to wipe the page and ~~associated~~ files, but since you always ~~user~~ justifications for {Propose delete}, why do you two feel so strongly ~~here~~? – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 13:00, 8 May 2023 (UTC)		:::::Hmm, that is a weird one, since Penny came up with it before AC1 released and it was later included in ''Limited Editions''. Soranin and Sol, what are your opinions? You've both voiced desires to wipe the page and its files, but since you always want justifications for {Propose delete}, why do you two feel so strongly? – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 13:00, 8 May 2023 (UTC)<br><br>As of exactly 3hrs ago, the fundraiser has ended and fallen short as we thought it would, ultimately collecting ~64K or 51% of its 125K goal. So now what? – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 19:00, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

imported>Darman36: /* Unofficial production */

2023-05-08T13:00:06Z

Unofficial production

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	I disagree with removing. I think it's good preservation of AC history and was an officially licensed product, even if it doesn't reach market and would have been non canon. — [[User:Nstav13\|Nstav13]] ([[User talk:Nstav13\|talk]]) 21:57, 6 May 2023 (UTC)		I disagree with removing. I think it's good preservation of AC history and was an officially licensed product, even if it doesn't reach market and would have been non canon. — [[User:Nstav13\|Nstav13]] ([[User talk:Nstav13\|talk]]) 21:57, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
	:Personally, I feel that fans paying for licensing usage that requires them to abide by certain character depictions is different from the license originators making something themselves or specifically contracting it out to another corporate entity(ies) and/or writer(s), as was the case for all media examples listed above so far. I also cannot see how this would be a preservation of AC history, since the book would not document (like the wiki or encyclopedias do~~) how the series changed~~ and instead would have main game characters on non-canon adventures, though perhaps I am being too pedantic on the definition of "preservation". – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 03:55, 7 May 2023 (UTC)		:Personally, I feel that fans paying for licensing usage that requires them to abide by certain character depictions is different from the license originators making something themselves or specifically contracting it out to another corporate entity(ies) and/or writer(s), as was the case for all media examples listed above so far. I also cannot see how this would be a preservation of AC history, since the book would not document how the series changed like the wiki or encyclopedias do and instead would have main game characters on non-canon adventures, though perhaps I am being too pedantic on the definition of "preservation". – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 03:55, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
	::I don't see this project as being fundamentally different than BOV other than this is non-canon. As mentioned in the discord this is basically the same as Star Wars Visions. It should remain on the wiki. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 04:01, 7 May 2023 (UTC)		::I don't see this project as being fundamentally different than BOV other than this is non-canon. As mentioned in the discord this is basically the same as Star Wars Visions. It should remain on the wiki. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 04:01, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
	:::But for ''Visions'', Lucasfilm still ~~purposefully~~ reached out to other animation studios to make non-canon shorts using the ''Star Wars'' aesthetic. BOV was originally a fan Kickstarter campaign? Huh. I, uh...never really had read the ''Development'' section of its page and always thought it had ties to Ubisoft somehow, other than what is evidently buying license use and being officially supported. [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 10:50, 7 May 2023 (UTC)		:::But for ''Visions'', Lucasfilm still reached out to other animation studios to make intentionally non-canon shorts using the ''Star Wars'' aesthetic. BOV was originally a fan Kickstarter campaign? Huh. I, uh...never really had read the ''Development'' section of its page and always thought it had ties to Ubisoft somehow, other than what is evidently buying license use and being officially supported. [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 10:50, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
	::::We also have stuff like the Penny Arcade comic. BOV didn't just start out as fan KS but neither did this. They both had contact with Ubisoft before their campaigns started. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 01:51, 8 May 2023 (UTC)		::::We also have stuff like the Penny Arcade comic. BOV didn't just start out as fan KS but neither did this. They both had contact with Ubisoft before their campaigns started. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 01:51, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
			:::::Hmm, that is a weird one, since Penny came up with it before AC1 released and it was later included in ''Limited Editions''. Soranin and Sol, what are your opinions on this? You've both voiced desires to wipe the page and associated files, but since you always user justifications for {Propose delete}, why do you two feel so strongly here? – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 13:00, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

imported>Lacrossedeamon: /* Unofficial production */

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	::I don't see this project as being fundamentally different than BOV other than this is non-canon. As mentioned in the discord this is basically the same as Star Wars Visions. It should remain on the wiki. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 04:01, 7 May 2023 (UTC)		::I don't see this project as being fundamentally different than BOV other than this is non-canon. As mentioned in the discord this is basically the same as Star Wars Visions. It should remain on the wiki. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 04:01, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
	:::But for ''Visions'', Lucasfilm still purposefully reached out to other animation studios to make non-canon shorts using the ''Star Wars'' aesthetic. BOV was originally a fan Kickstarter campaign? Huh. I, uh...never really had read the ''Development'' section of its page and always thought it had ties to Ubisoft somehow, other than what is evidently buying license use and being officially supported. [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 10:50, 7 May 2023 (UTC)		:::But for ''Visions'', Lucasfilm still purposefully reached out to other animation studios to make non-canon shorts using the ''Star Wars'' aesthetic. BOV was originally a fan Kickstarter campaign? Huh. I, uh...never really had read the ''Development'' section of its page and always thought it had ties to Ubisoft somehow, other than what is evidently buying license use and being officially supported. [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 10:50, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
			::::We also have stuff like the Penny Arcade comic. BOV didn't just start out as fan KS but neither did this. They both had contact with Ubisoft before their campaigns started. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 01:51, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

imported>Darman36: /* Unofficial production */

2023-05-07T10:50:04Z

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	I disagree with removing. I think it's good preservation of AC history and was an officially licensed product, even if it doesn't reach market and would have been non canon. — [[User:Nstav13\|Nstav13]] ([[User talk:Nstav13\|talk]]) 21:57, 6 May 2023 (UTC)		I disagree with removing. I think it's good preservation of AC history and was an officially licensed product, even if it doesn't reach market and would have been non canon. — [[User:Nstav13\|Nstav13]] ([[User talk:Nstav13\|talk]]) 21:57, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
	:Personally, I feel that fans paying for licensing usage that requires them to abide by certain character depictions is different from the license originators making something themselves or specifically contracting it out to another corporate entity(ies) and/or writer(s), as was the case for all media examples listed above so far. I also cannot see how this would be a preservation of AC history, since the book would not document (like the wiki or encyclopedias do) how the series changed and instead would have main game characters non-canon adventures, though perhaps I am being too pedantic on the definition of "preservation". – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 03:55, 7 May 2023 (UTC)		:Personally, I feel that fans paying for licensing usage that requires them to abide by certain character depictions is different from the license originators making something themselves or specifically contracting it out to another corporate entity(ies) and/or writer(s), as was the case for all media examples listed above so far. I also cannot see how this would be a preservation of AC history, since the book would not document (like the wiki or encyclopedias do) how the series changed and instead would have main game characters on non-canon adventures, though perhaps I am being too pedantic on the definition of "preservation". – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 03:55, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
	::I don't see this project as being fundamentally different than BOV other than this is non-canon. As mentioned in the discord this is basically the same as Star Wars Visions. It should remain on the wiki. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 04:01, 7 May 2023 (UTC)		::I don't see this project as being fundamentally different than BOV other than this is non-canon. As mentioned in the discord this is basically the same as Star Wars Visions. It should remain on the wiki. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 04:01, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
			:::But for ''Visions'', Lucasfilm still purposefully reached out to other animation studios to make non-canon shorts using the ''Star Wars'' aesthetic. BOV was originally a fan Kickstarter campaign? Huh. I, uh...never really had read the ''Development'' section of its page and always thought it had ties to Ubisoft somehow, other than what is evidently buying license use and being officially supported. [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 10:50, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

imported>Lacrossedeamon: /* Unofficial production */

2023-05-07T04:01:57Z

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	I disagree with removing. I think it's good preservation of AC history and was an officially licensed product, even if it doesn't reach market and would have been non canon. — [[User:Nstav13\|Nstav13]] ([[User talk:Nstav13\|talk]]) 21:57, 6 May 2023 (UTC)		I disagree with removing. I think it's good preservation of AC history and was an officially licensed product, even if it doesn't reach market and would have been non canon. — [[User:Nstav13\|Nstav13]] ([[User talk:Nstav13\|talk]]) 21:57, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
	:Personally, I feel that fans paying for licensing usage that requires them to abide by certain character depictions is different from the license originators making something themselves or specifically contracting it out to another corporate entity(ies) and/or writer(s), as was the case for all media examples listed above so far. I also cannot see how this would be a preservation of AC history, since the book would not document (like the wiki or encyclopedias do) how the series changed and instead would have main game characters non-canon adventures, though perhaps I am being too pedantic on the definition of "preservation". – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 03:55, 7 May 2023 (UTC)		:Personally, I feel that fans paying for licensing usage that requires them to abide by certain character depictions is different from the license originators making something themselves or specifically contracting it out to another corporate entity(ies) and/or writer(s), as was the case for all media examples listed above so far. I also cannot see how this would be a preservation of AC history, since the book would not document (like the wiki or encyclopedias do) how the series changed and instead would have main game characters non-canon adventures, though perhaps I am being too pedantic on the definition of "preservation". – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 03:55, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
			::I don't see this project as being fundamentally different than BOV other than this is non-canon. As mentioned in the discord this is basically the same as Star Wars Visions. It should remain on the wiki. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 04:01, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

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	::Of course, deleting all other pages and files associated with this project, and correcting the appropriate [Category:Character/Images] and image galleries, would be a given if we move forward with this. Are there any more votes in favor here, or any in opposition to this? – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 23:15, 4 May 2023 (UTC)		::Of course, deleting all other pages and files associated with this project, and correcting the appropriate [Category:Character/Images] and image galleries, would be a given if we move forward with this. Are there any more votes in favor here, or any in opposition to this? – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 23:15, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
	:::Yes, I agree with the nuking, but it should be preceded by a conventional orbital bombardment using Taim & Bak XX9 heavy turbolasers (oh wait wrong fandom). [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 20:57, 6 May 2023 (UTC)		:::Yes, I agree with the nuking, but it should be preceded by a conventional orbital bombardment using Taim & Bak XX9 heavy turbolasers (oh wait wrong fandom). [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 20:57, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
	Calling this "unofficial" is a misinterpretation of what was said. This is an official ~~licenced~~ product, simply not spearheaded by Ubisoft. That Ubisoft is not doing any financial backing is irrelevant. As a licensor, Ubisoft can wholly decide how their property is represented and published and in this case they decided to allow Studio Lounak to work on this product after Lounak approached them about it. As it stands ''Visionaries'' is a Lounak produced, Lounak published product, officially licensed by Ubisoft. Even should the Kickstarter fail, and the product never sees the light of day, it would still have a place on the wiki, just like other cancelled products, like ''[[Assassin's Creed: The Invisible Imam\|The Invisible Imam]]'' or ''[[Assassin's Creed: Utopia\|Utopia]]''.— [[User:Zero-ELEC\|Zero-ELEC]] ([[User talk:Zero-ELEC\|talk]]) 21:28, 6 May 2023 (UTC)		Calling this "unofficial" is a misinterpretation of what was said. This is an official licensed product, simply not spearheaded by Ubisoft. That Ubisoft is not doing any financial backing is irrelevant. As a licensor, Ubisoft can wholly decide how their property is represented and published and in this case they decided to allow Studio Lounak to work on this product after Lounak approached them about it. As it stands ''Visionaries'' is a Lounak produced, Lounak published product, officially licensed by Ubisoft. Even should the Kickstarter fail, and the product never sees the light of day, it would still have a place on the wiki, just like other cancelled products, like ''[[Assassin's Creed: The Invisible Imam\|The Invisible Imam]]'' or ''[[Assassin's Creed: Utopia\|Utopia]]''.— [[User:Zero-ELEC\|Zero-ELEC]] ([[User talk:Zero-ELEC\|talk]]) 21:28, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

	I disagree with removing. I think it's good preservation of AC history and was an officially licensed product, even if it doesn't reach market and would have been non canon. — [[User:Nstav13\|Nstav13]] ([[User talk:Nstav13\|talk]]) 21:57, 6 May 2023 (UTC)		I disagree with removing. I think it's good preservation of AC history and was an officially licensed product, even if it doesn't reach market and would have been non canon. — [[User:Nstav13\|Nstav13]] ([[User talk:Nstav13\|talk]]) 21:57, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
			:Personally, I feel that fans paying for licensing usage that requires them to abide by certain character depictions is different from the license originators making something themselves or specifically contracting it out to another corporate entity(ies) and/or writer(s), as was the case for all media examples listed above so far. I also cannot see how this would be a preservation of AC history, since the book would not document (like the wiki or encyclopedias do) how the series changed and instead would have main game characters non-canon adventures, though perhaps I am being too pedantic on the definition of "preservation". – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 03:55, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

imported>Nstav13: /* Unofficial production */

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	:::Yes, I agree with the nuking, but it should be preceded by a conventional orbital bombardment using Taim & Bak XX9 heavy turbolasers (oh wait wrong fandom). [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 20:57, 6 May 2023 (UTC)		:::Yes, I agree with the nuking, but it should be preceded by a conventional orbital bombardment using Taim & Bak XX9 heavy turbolasers (oh wait wrong fandom). [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 20:57, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
	Calling this "unofficial" is a misinterpretation of what was said. This is an official licenced product, simply not spearheaded by Ubisoft. That Ubisoft is not doing any financial backing is irrelevant. As a licensor, Ubisoft can wholly decide how their property is represented and published and in this case they decided to allow Studio Lounak to work on this product after Lounak approached them about it. As it stands ''Visionaries'' is a Lounak produced, Lounak published product, officially licensed by Ubisoft. Even should the Kickstarter fail, and the product never sees the light of day, it would still have a place on the wiki, just like other cancelled products, like ''[[Assassin's Creed: The Invisible Imam\|The Invisible Imam]]'' or ''[[Assassin's Creed: Utopia\|Utopia]]''.— [[User:Zero-ELEC\|Zero-ELEC]] ([[User talk:Zero-ELEC\|talk]]) 21:28, 6 May 2023 (UTC)		Calling this "unofficial" is a misinterpretation of what was said. This is an official licenced product, simply not spearheaded by Ubisoft. That Ubisoft is not doing any financial backing is irrelevant. As a licensor, Ubisoft can wholly decide how their property is represented and published and in this case they decided to allow Studio Lounak to work on this product after Lounak approached them about it. As it stands ''Visionaries'' is a Lounak produced, Lounak published product, officially licensed by Ubisoft. Even should the Kickstarter fail, and the product never sees the light of day, it would still have a place on the wiki, just like other cancelled products, like ''[[Assassin's Creed: The Invisible Imam\|The Invisible Imam]]'' or ''[[Assassin's Creed: Utopia\|Utopia]]''.— [[User:Zero-ELEC\|Zero-ELEC]] ([[User talk:Zero-ELEC\|talk]]) 21:28, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

	I disagree with removing. I think it's good preservation of AC history and was an officially licensed product, even if it doesn't reach market and would have been non canon. — [[User:Nstav13\|Nstav13]] ([[User talk:Nstav13\|talk]]) 21:57, 6 May 2023 (UTC)		I disagree with removing. I think it's good preservation of AC history and was an officially licensed product, even if it doesn't reach market and would have been non canon. — [[User:Nstav13\|Nstav13]] ([[User talk:Nstav13\|talk]]) 21:57, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

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	:::::Hmm, that is a weird one, since Penny came up with it before AC1 released and it was later included in ''Limited Editions''. Soranin and Sol, what are your opinions? You've both voiced desires to wipe the page and its files, but since you always want justifications for {Propose delete}, why do you two feel so strongly? – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 13:00, 8 May 2023 (UTC)<br><br>As of exactly 3hrs ago, the fundraiser has ended and fallen short as we thought it would, ultimately collecting ~64K or 51% of its 125K goal. So now what? – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 19:00, 10 May 2023 (UTC)		:::::Hmm, that is a weird one, since Penny came up with it before AC1 released and it was later included in ''Limited Editions''. Soranin and Sol, what are your opinions? You've both voiced desires to wipe the page and its files, but since you always want justifications for {Propose delete}, why do you two feel so strongly? – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 13:00, 8 May 2023 (UTC)<br><br>As of exactly 3hrs ago, the fundraiser has ended and fallen short as we thought it would, ultimately collecting ~64K or 51% of its 125K goal. So now what? – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 19:00, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
	::::::I also disagree with deleting the Visionaries pages; although non-canon, they are part of AC history as a product. Now, Studio Lounak has confirmed that they will talk with Ubi to see if these stories can be rescued and featured in some other media, so we should keep this for now. What we could do now is maybe ask Studio Lounak if they don't mind for the ACWiki to keep this pages public. What do you think?[[User:Cristophorus35\|Cristophorus35]] ([[User talk:Cristophorus35\|talk]]) 22:18, 11 May 2023 (UTC)		::::::I also disagree with deleting the Visionaries pages; although non-canon, they are part of AC history as a product. Now, Studio Lounak has confirmed that they will talk with Ubi to see if these stories can be rescued and featured in some other media, so we should keep this for now. What we could do now is maybe ask Studio Lounak if they don't mind for the ACWiki to keep this pages public. What do you think?[[User:Cristophorus35\|Cristophorus35]] ([[User talk:Cristophorus35\|talk]]) 22:18, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
	::::::I voted for purging all ''Visionaries'' prior to learning that it is actually officially licensed by Ubisoft. To be clear, our wiki has established the precedent that articles on fan content and fan communities (but not original fanon works created on the wiki) are permitted at our discretion. When I thought that ''Visionaries'' wasn't licensed by Ubisoft, I thought it wasn't a fan project of merit or significance enough to have a place on our wiki. Since it is apparently officially licensed, however, I will have to change my mind and agree that it should stay (apart from being otherwise outvoted that is :P). [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 01:29, 12 May 2023 (UTC)		:::::::I voted for purging all ''Visionaries'' prior to learning that it is actually officially licensed by Ubisoft. To be clear, our wiki has established the precedent that articles on fan content and fan communities (but not original fanon works created on the wiki) are permitted at our discretion. When I thought that ''Visionaries'' wasn't licensed by Ubisoft, I thought it wasn't a fan project of merit or significance enough to have a place on our wiki. Since it is apparently officially licensed, however, I will have to change my mind and agree that it should stay (apart from being otherwise outvoted that is :P). [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 01:29, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

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	:::::Hmm, that is a weird one, since Penny came up with it before AC1 released and it was later included in ''Limited Editions''. Soranin and Sol, what are your opinions? You've both voiced desires to wipe the page and its files, but since you always want justifications for {Propose delete}, why do you two feel so strongly? – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 13:00, 8 May 2023 (UTC)<br><br>As of exactly 3hrs ago, the fundraiser has ended and fallen short as we thought it would, ultimately collecting ~64K or 51% of its 125K goal. So now what? – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 19:00, 10 May 2023 (UTC)		:::::Hmm, that is a weird one, since Penny came up with it before AC1 released and it was later included in ''Limited Editions''. Soranin and Sol, what are your opinions? You've both voiced desires to wipe the page and its files, but since you always want justifications for {Propose delete}, why do you two feel so strongly? – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 13:00, 8 May 2023 (UTC)<br><br>As of exactly 3hrs ago, the fundraiser has ended and fallen short as we thought it would, ultimately collecting ~64K or 51% of its 125K goal. So now what? – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 19:00, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
	::::::I also disagree with deleting the Visionaries pages; although non-canon, they are part of AC history as a product. Now, Studio Lounak has confirmed that they will talk with Ubi to see if these stories can be rescued and featured in some other media, so we should keep this for now. What we could do now is maybe ask Studio Lounak if they don't mind for the ACWiki to keep this pages public. What do you think?[[User:Cristophorus35\|Cristophorus35]] ([[User talk:Cristophorus35\|talk]]) 22:18, 11 May 2023 (UTC)		::::::I also disagree with deleting the Visionaries pages; although non-canon, they are part of AC history as a product. Now, Studio Lounak has confirmed that they will talk with Ubi to see if these stories can be rescued and featured in some other media, so we should keep this for now. What we could do now is maybe ask Studio Lounak if they don't mind for the ACWiki to keep this pages public. What do you think?[[User:Cristophorus35\|Cristophorus35]] ([[User talk:Cristophorus35\|talk]]) 22:18, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
			::::::I voted for purging all ''Visionaries'' prior to learning that it is actually officially licensed by Ubisoft. To be clear, our wiki has established the precedent that articles on fan content and fan communities (but not original fanon works created on the wiki) are permitted at our discretion. When I thought that ''Visionaries'' wasn't licensed by Ubisoft, I thought it wasn't a fan project of merit or significance enough to have a place on our wiki. Since it is apparently officially licensed, however, I will have to change my mind and agree that it should stay (apart from being otherwise outvoted that is :P). [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 01:29, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

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	::::We also have stuff like the Penny Arcade comic. BOV didn't just start out as fan KS but neither did this. They both had contact with Ubisoft before their campaigns started. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 01:51, 8 May 2023 (UTC)		::::We also have stuff like the Penny Arcade comic. BOV didn't just start out as fan KS but neither did this. They both had contact with Ubisoft before their campaigns started. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 01:51, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
	:::::Hmm, that is a weird one, since Penny came up with it before AC1 released and it was later included in ''Limited Editions''. Soranin and Sol, what are your opinions? You've both voiced desires to wipe the page and its files, but since you always want justifications for {Propose delete}, why do you two feel so strongly? – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 13:00, 8 May 2023 (UTC)<br><br>As of exactly 3hrs ago, the fundraiser has ended and fallen short as we thought it would, ultimately collecting ~64K or 51% of its 125K goal. So now what? – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 19:00, 10 May 2023 (UTC)		:::::Hmm, that is a weird one, since Penny came up with it before AC1 released and it was later included in ''Limited Editions''. Soranin and Sol, what are your opinions? You've both voiced desires to wipe the page and its files, but since you always want justifications for {Propose delete}, why do you two feel so strongly? – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 13:00, 8 May 2023 (UTC)<br><br>As of exactly 3hrs ago, the fundraiser has ended and fallen short as we thought it would, ultimately collecting ~64K or 51% of its 125K goal. So now what? – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 19:00, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
			::::::I also disagree with deleting the Visionaries pages; although non-canon, they are part of AC history as a product. Now, Studio Lounak has confirmed that they will talk with Ubi to see if these stories can be rescued and featured in some other media, so we should keep this for now. What we could do now is maybe ask Studio Lounak if they don't mind for the ACWiki to keep this pages public. What do you think?[[User:Cristophorus35\|Cristophorus35]] ([[User talk:Cristophorus35\|talk]]) 22:18, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

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	:::But for ''Visions'', Lucasfilm still reached out to other animation studios to make intentionally non-canon shorts using the ''Star Wars'' aesthetic. BOV was originally a fan Kickstarter campaign? Huh. I, uh...never really had read the ''Development'' section of its page and always thought it had ties to Ubisoft somehow, other than what is evidently buying license use and being officially supported. [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 10:50, 7 May 2023 (UTC)		:::But for ''Visions'', Lucasfilm still reached out to other animation studios to make intentionally non-canon shorts using the ''Star Wars'' aesthetic. BOV was originally a fan Kickstarter campaign? Huh. I, uh...never really had read the ''Development'' section of its page and always thought it had ties to Ubisoft somehow, other than what is evidently buying license use and being officially supported. [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 10:50, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
	::::We also have stuff like the Penny Arcade comic. BOV didn't just start out as fan KS but neither did this. They both had contact with Ubisoft before their campaigns started. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 01:51, 8 May 2023 (UTC)		::::We also have stuff like the Penny Arcade comic. BOV didn't just start out as fan KS but neither did this. They both had contact with Ubisoft before their campaigns started. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 01:51, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
	:::::Hmm, that is a weird one, since Penny came up with it before AC1 released and it was later included in ''Limited Editions''. Soranin and Sol, what are your opinions ~~on this~~? You've both voiced desires to wipe the page and ~~associated~~ files, but since you always ~~user~~ justifications for {Propose delete}, why do you two feel so strongly ~~here~~? – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 13:00, 8 May 2023 (UTC)		:::::Hmm, that is a weird one, since Penny came up with it before AC1 released and it was later included in ''Limited Editions''. Soranin and Sol, what are your opinions? You've both voiced desires to wipe the page and its files, but since you always want justifications for {Propose delete}, why do you two feel so strongly? – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 13:00, 8 May 2023 (UTC)<br><br>As of exactly 3hrs ago, the fundraiser has ended and fallen short as we thought it would, ultimately collecting ~64K or 51% of its 125K goal. So now what? – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 19:00, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

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	I disagree with removing. I think it's good preservation of AC history and was an officially licensed product, even if it doesn't reach market and would have been non canon. — [[User:Nstav13\|Nstav13]] ([[User talk:Nstav13\|talk]]) 21:57, 6 May 2023 (UTC)		I disagree with removing. I think it's good preservation of AC history and was an officially licensed product, even if it doesn't reach market and would have been non canon. — [[User:Nstav13\|Nstav13]] ([[User talk:Nstav13\|talk]]) 21:57, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
	:Personally, I feel that fans paying for licensing usage that requires them to abide by certain character depictions is different from the license originators making something themselves or specifically contracting it out to another corporate entity(ies) and/or writer(s), as was the case for all media examples listed above so far. I also cannot see how this would be a preservation of AC history, since the book would not document (like the wiki or encyclopedias do~~) how the series changed~~ and instead would have main game characters on non-canon adventures, though perhaps I am being too pedantic on the definition of "preservation". – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 03:55, 7 May 2023 (UTC)		:Personally, I feel that fans paying for licensing usage that requires them to abide by certain character depictions is different from the license originators making something themselves or specifically contracting it out to another corporate entity(ies) and/or writer(s), as was the case for all media examples listed above so far. I also cannot see how this would be a preservation of AC history, since the book would not document how the series changed like the wiki or encyclopedias do and instead would have main game characters on non-canon adventures, though perhaps I am being too pedantic on the definition of "preservation". – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 03:55, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
	::I don't see this project as being fundamentally different than BOV other than this is non-canon. As mentioned in the discord this is basically the same as Star Wars Visions. It should remain on the wiki. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 04:01, 7 May 2023 (UTC)		::I don't see this project as being fundamentally different than BOV other than this is non-canon. As mentioned in the discord this is basically the same as Star Wars Visions. It should remain on the wiki. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 04:01, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
	:::But for ''Visions'', Lucasfilm still ~~purposefully~~ reached out to other animation studios to make non-canon shorts using the ''Star Wars'' aesthetic. BOV was originally a fan Kickstarter campaign? Huh. I, uh...never really had read the ''Development'' section of its page and always thought it had ties to Ubisoft somehow, other than what is evidently buying license use and being officially supported. [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 10:50, 7 May 2023 (UTC)		:::But for ''Visions'', Lucasfilm still reached out to other animation studios to make intentionally non-canon shorts using the ''Star Wars'' aesthetic. BOV was originally a fan Kickstarter campaign? Huh. I, uh...never really had read the ''Development'' section of its page and always thought it had ties to Ubisoft somehow, other than what is evidently buying license use and being officially supported. [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 10:50, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
	::::We also have stuff like the Penny Arcade comic. BOV didn't just start out as fan KS but neither did this. They both had contact with Ubisoft before their campaigns started. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 01:51, 8 May 2023 (UTC)		::::We also have stuff like the Penny Arcade comic. BOV didn't just start out as fan KS but neither did this. They both had contact with Ubisoft before their campaigns started. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 01:51, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
			:::::Hmm, that is a weird one, since Penny came up with it before AC1 released and it was later included in ''Limited Editions''. Soranin and Sol, what are your opinions on this? You've both voiced desires to wipe the page and associated files, but since you always user justifications for {Propose delete}, why do you two feel so strongly here? – [[User:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;font-size:15px;color:#">Darman</span>]] ([[User talk:Darman36\|<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC;color:#">talk</span>]]) 13:00, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

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