Talk:Artaxerxes I of Persia - Revision history

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	::::::You can write a revision, which I will then review, or I can write a revision, which you will then review. Or someone else can write a revision for us to review. I am likely to be too preoccupied to do the rewrite at the moment though. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:09, 3 July 2023 (UTC)		::::::You can write a revision, which I will then review, or I can write a revision, which you will then review. Or someone else can write a revision for us to review. I am likely to be too preoccupied to do the rewrite at the moment though. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:09, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
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	When meeting the the man who would go on to become Darius II his dialogue implies his father is still alive and not exiled. The note earlier in the arc from Gergis states the Order wanted him dethroned and sent an assassin implicating Artabanus/Darius but notes that Artaxerxes lived while making no comment on whether we was successfully dethroned. In light of this I think we should write more speculatively on the individual Kassandra meets in Megaris. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 07:48, 23 June 2023 (UTC)		When meeting the the man who would go on to become Darius II his dialogue implies his father is still alive and not exiled. The note earlier in the arc from Gergis states the Order wanted him dethroned and sent an assassin implicating Artabanus/Darius but notes that Artaxerxes lived while making no comment on whether we was successfully dethroned. In light of this I think we should write more speculatively on the individual Kassandra meets in Megaris. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 07:48, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
	:Have we been able to rule out that "Prince of Persia" takes place after ''Legacy of the First Blade''? Because that would be the less speculative choice. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:46, 23 June 2023 (UTC)		:Have we been able to rule out that "Prince of Persia" takes place after ''Legacy of the First Blade''? Because that would be the less speculative choice. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:46, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

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	:::::Alright so how do we proceed from here. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 02:12, 1 July 2023 (UTC)		:::::Alright so how do we proceed from here. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 02:12, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
	::::::You can write a revision, which I will then review, or I can write a revision, which you will then review. Or someone else can write a revision for us to review. I am likely to be too preoccupied to do the rewrite at the moment though. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:09, 3 July 2023 (UTC)		::::::You can write a revision, which I will then review, or I can write a revision, which you will then review. Or someone else can write a revision for us to review. I am likely to be too preoccupied to do the rewrite at the moment though. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:09, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
			Current rework [[User:Lacrossedeamon/Artaxerxes]] [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 22:29, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

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	::::Thank you, I really appreciate it. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 07:51, 30 June 2023 (UTC)		::::Thank you, I really appreciate it. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 07:51, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
	:::::Alright so how do we proceed from here. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 02:12, 1 July 2023 (UTC)		:::::Alright so how do we proceed from here. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 02:12, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
	::::::You can write a revision, which I will then review, or I can write a revision, which you will then review. Or someone else can write a revision for us to review. I am likely to be too preoccupied to do ~~this~~ at the moment though. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:09, 3 July 2023 (UTC)		::::::You can write a revision, which I will then review, or I can write a revision, which you will then review. Or someone else can write a revision for us to review. I am likely to be too preoccupied to do the rewrite at the moment though. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:09, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

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	::::Thank you, I really appreciate it. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 07:51, 30 June 2023 (UTC)		::::Thank you, I really appreciate it. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 07:51, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
	:::::Alright so how do we proceed from here. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 02:12, 1 July 2023 (UTC)		:::::Alright so how do we proceed from here. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 02:12, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
			::::::You can write a revision, which I will then review, or I can write a revision, which you will then review. Or someone else can write a revision for us to review. I am likely to be too preoccupied to do this at the moment though. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:09, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

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	:::Vaguely insulted it's come down to that but yes I do and always have understood not to frame statements in articles as C) or D). [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 07:25, 30 June 2023 (UTC)		:::Vaguely insulted it's come down to that but yes I do and always have understood not to frame statements in articles as C) or D). [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 07:25, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
	::::Thank you, I really appreciate it. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 07:51, 30 June 2023 (UTC)		::::Thank you, I really appreciate it. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 07:51, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
			:::::Alright so how do we proceed from here. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 02:12, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

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	::Then I agree with your proposal. There's no need to apologize—sarcastically or not—because it was not a matter of whether you were wrong on the usage or I was wrong in the interpretation. The word ''speculation'' can be vague, hence again why I was double-checking we have the same understanding of what it means. Knowing how it is commonly used in wiki practice is also good for future ease of communication, whether in this wiki or in others. That being said, may I have your clear affirmation that you understand and respect our policy on speculation in article content? [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 07:18, 30 June 2023 (UTC)		::Then I agree with your proposal. There's no need to apologize—sarcastically or not—because it was not a matter of whether you were wrong on the usage or I was wrong in the interpretation. The word ''speculation'' can be vague, hence again why I was double-checking we have the same understanding of what it means. Knowing how it is commonly used in wiki practice is also good for future ease of communication, whether in this wiki or in others. That being said, may I have your clear affirmation that you understand and respect our policy on speculation in article content? [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 07:18, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
	:::Vaguely insulted it's come down to that but yes I do and always have understood not to frame statements in articles as C) or D). [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 07:25, 30 June 2023 (UTC)		:::Vaguely insulted it's come down to that but yes I do and always have understood not to frame statements in articles as C) or D). [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 07:25, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
			::::Thank you, I really appreciate it. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 07:51, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

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	:Sorry for using a word that you interpreted the wrong way. I was suggesting something similar to your A) or B) options. The Gergis case was to point out that the assassination attempt is mentioned prior to the meeting with the supposed Darius II who refers to Artaxerxes as being King in the present rather than a direct contradiction to the blind man in Megaris. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 05:51, 30 June 2023 (UTC)		:Sorry for using a word that you interpreted the wrong way. I was suggesting something similar to your A) or B) options. The Gergis case was to point out that the assassination attempt is mentioned prior to the meeting with the supposed Darius II who refers to Artaxerxes as being King in the present rather than a direct contradiction to the blind man in Megaris. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 05:51, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
	::Then I agree with your proposal. There's no need to apologize—sarcastically or not—because it was not a matter of whether you were wrong on the usage or I was wrong in the interpretation. The word ''speculation'' can be vague, hence again why I was double-checking we have the same understanding of what it means. Knowing how it is commonly used in wiki practice is also good for future ease of communication, whether in this wiki or in others. That being said, may I have your clear affirmation that you understand and respect our policy on speculation in article content? [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 07:18, 30 June 2023 (UTC)		::Then I agree with your proposal. There's no need to apologize—sarcastically or not—because it was not a matter of whether you were wrong on the usage or I was wrong in the interpretation. The word ''speculation'' can be vague, hence again why I was double-checking we have the same understanding of what it means. Knowing how it is commonly used in wiki practice is also good for future ease of communication, whether in this wiki or in others. That being said, may I have your clear affirmation that you understand and respect our policy on speculation in article content? [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 07:18, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
			:::Vaguely insulted it's come down to that but yes I do and always have understood not to frame statements in articles as C) or D). [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 07:25, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

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	I thought you might have been confused because you may have been using definition (1) or (3), so that is why I explained that within wiki jargon, ''speculation'' has the narrower definition of (2).		I thought you might have been confused because you may have been using definition (1) or (3), so that is why I explained that within wiki jargon, ''speculation'' has the narrower definition of (2).
	So for instance in this case, we could approach in the following ways:		So for instance in this case, we could approach in the following ways:
	:(A) ~~<span style="color:#00FF00">~~"According to the blind man Kassandra met in Megaris, he was the deposed King of Persia, Artaxerxes."~~</span>~~		:(A) "According to the blind man Kassandra met in Megaris, he was the deposed King of Persia, Artaxerxes."
	:(B) ~~<span style="color:#00FF00">~~"The blind man Kassandra met in Megaris claimed to be the deposed King of Persia, Artaxerxes."~~</span>~~		:(B) "The blind man Kassandra met in Megaris claimed to be the deposed King of Persia, Artaxerxes."
	:(C) ~~<span style="color:#00BFFF">~~"The blind man Kassandra met in Megaris may or may not have been the deposed King of Persia, Artaxerxes."~~</span>~~		:(C) "The blind man Kassandra met in Megaris may or may not have been the deposed King of Persia, Artaxerxes."
	:(D) ~~<span style="color:#00BFFF">~~"The blind man Kassandra met in Megaris claimed to be the deposed King of Persia, Artaxerxes, but [he could not have been / this was a lie]."~~</span>~~		:(D) "The blind man Kassandra met in Megaris claimed to be the deposed King of Persia, Artaxerxes, but [he could not have been / this was a lie]."
	(D) is form of speculation because it is an insertion of a headcanon unverified by official sources as a solution to a lore conflict. (C) is speculation in a different sense: it is written as though to "wonder out loud". (A) and (B) are what are called writing ambiguously but truthfully and not speculatively. They confine the claim to the character, attributing it to them while refraining from unnecessarily casting judgement on whether their claim is true or false or even to put weight on the dubiousness by "wondering out loud". This is the approach I used in regards to [[User_talk:Sol_Pacificus#Washington_and_Connor's_village\|Washington's burning of Connor's village]].		(D) is form of speculation because it is an insertion of a headcanon unverified by official sources as a solution to a lore conflict. (C) is speculation in a different sense: it is written as though to "wonder out loud". (A) and (B) are what are called writing ambiguously but truthfully and not speculatively. They confine the claim to the character, attributing it to them while refraining from unnecessarily casting judgement on whether their claim is true or false or even to put weight on the dubiousness by "wondering out loud". This is the approach I used in regards to [[User_talk:Sol_Pacificus#Washington_and_Connor's_village\|Washington's burning of Connor's village]].

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	For the sake of transparency, I also do not share your headcanon that the blind man Kassandra meets in Megaris is delusional or a liar, as you have stated on Discord, but that would be a different debate. But I ''do'' agree that there is a conflict between his claim and that of the man Kassandra entrusts Elpidios to and that this conflict warrants ambiguity in discussing the identity of the blind man of the examples (A) and (B). As well, my asking about whether we should also write ambiguously for the man Kassandra entrust Elpidios to was not meant to be a "counter-argument" in the first place but a genuine question to double-check our decision. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 00:09, 30 June 2023 (UTC)		For the sake of transparency, I also do not share your headcanon that the blind man Kassandra meets in Megaris is delusional or a liar, as you have stated on Discord, but that would be a different debate. But I ''do'' agree that there is a conflict between his claim and that of the man Kassandra entrusts Elpidios to and that this conflict warrants ambiguity in discussing the identity of the blind man of the examples (A) and (B). As well, my asking about whether we should also write ambiguously for the man Kassandra entrust Elpidios to was not meant to be a "counter-argument" in the first place but a genuine question to double-check our decision. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 00:09, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
	:Sorry for using a word that you interpreted the wrong way. I was suggesting something similar to your A) or B) options. The Gergis case was to point out that the assassination attempt is mentioned prior to the meeting with the supposed Darius II who refers to Artaxerxes as being King in the present rather than a direct contradiction to the blind man in Megaris. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 05:51, 30 June 2023 (UTC)		:Sorry for using a word that you interpreted the wrong way. I was suggesting something similar to your A) or B) options. The Gergis case was to point out that the assassination attempt is mentioned prior to the meeting with the supposed Darius II who refers to Artaxerxes as being King in the present rather than a direct contradiction to the blind man in Megaris. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 05:51, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
			::Then I agree with your proposal. There's no need to apologize—sarcastically or not—because it was not a matter of whether you were wrong on the usage or I was wrong in the interpretation. The word ''speculation'' can be vague, hence again why I was double-checking we have the same understanding of what it means. Knowing how it is commonly used in wiki practice is also good for future ease of communication, whether in this wiki or in others. That being said, may I have your clear affirmation that you understand and respect our policy on speculation in article content? [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 07:18, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

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	For the sake of transparency, I also do not share your headcanon that the blind man Kassandra meets in Megaris is delusional or a liar, as you have stated on Discord, but that would be a different debate. But I ''do'' agree that there is a conflict between his claim and that of the man Kassandra entrusts Elpidios to and that this conflict warrants ambiguity in discussing the identity of the blind man of the examples (A) and (B). As well, my asking about whether we should also write ambiguously for the man Kassandra entrust Elpidios to was not meant to be a "counter-argument" in the first place but a genuine question to double-check our decision. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 00:09, 30 June 2023 (UTC)		For the sake of transparency, I also do not share your headcanon that the blind man Kassandra meets in Megaris is delusional or a liar, as you have stated on Discord, but that would be a different debate. But I ''do'' agree that there is a conflict between his claim and that of the man Kassandra entrusts Elpidios to and that this conflict warrants ambiguity in discussing the identity of the blind man of the examples (A) and (B). As well, my asking about whether we should also write ambiguously for the man Kassandra entrust Elpidios to was not meant to be a "counter-argument" in the first place but a genuine question to double-check our decision. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 00:09, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
			:Sorry for using a word that you interpreted the wrong way. I was suggesting something similar to your A) or B) options. The Gergis case was to point out that the assassination attempt is mentioned prior to the meeting with the supposed Darius II who refers to Artaxerxes as being King in the present rather than a direct contradiction to the blind man in Megaris. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 05:51, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

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	::::::You can write a revision, which I will then review, or I can write a revision, which you will then review. Or someone else can write a revision for us to review. I am likely to be too preoccupied to do the rewrite at the moment though. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:09, 3 July 2023 (UTC)		::::::You can write a revision, which I will then review, or I can write a revision, which you will then review. Or someone else can write a revision for us to review. I am likely to be too preoccupied to do the rewrite at the moment though. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:09, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
	Current rework [[User:Lacrossedeamon/Artaxerxes]] [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 22:29, 1 June 2024 (UTC)		Current rework [[User:Lacrossedeamon/Artaxerxes]] [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 22:29, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
			:Bump [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]])

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	:::::Alright so how do we proceed from here. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 02:12, 1 July 2023 (UTC)		:::::Alright so how do we proceed from here. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 02:12, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
	::::::You can write a revision, which I will then review, or I can write a revision, which you will then review. Or someone else can write a revision for us to review. I am likely to be too preoccupied to do the rewrite at the moment though. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:09, 3 July 2023 (UTC)		::::::You can write a revision, which I will then review, or I can write a revision, which you will then review. Or someone else can write a revision for us to review. I am likely to be too preoccupied to do the rewrite at the moment though. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:09, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
			Current rework [[User:Lacrossedeamon/Artaxerxes]] [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 22:29, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

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	::::Thank you, I really appreciate it. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 07:51, 30 June 2023 (UTC)		::::Thank you, I really appreciate it. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 07:51, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
	:::::Alright so how do we proceed from here. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 02:12, 1 July 2023 (UTC)		:::::Alright so how do we proceed from here. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 02:12, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
	::::::You can write a revision, which I will then review, or I can write a revision, which you will then review. Or someone else can write a revision for us to review. I am likely to be too preoccupied to do ~~this~~ at the moment though. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:09, 3 July 2023 (UTC)		::::::You can write a revision, which I will then review, or I can write a revision, which you will then review. Or someone else can write a revision for us to review. I am likely to be too preoccupied to do the rewrite at the moment though. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:09, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

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	::::Thank you, I really appreciate it. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 07:51, 30 June 2023 (UTC)		::::Thank you, I really appreciate it. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 07:51, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
	:::::Alright so how do we proceed from here. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 02:12, 1 July 2023 (UTC)		:::::Alright so how do we proceed from here. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 02:12, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
			::::::You can write a revision, which I will then review, or I can write a revision, which you will then review. Or someone else can write a revision for us to review. I am likely to be too preoccupied to do this at the moment though. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 19:09, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

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	:::Vaguely insulted it's come down to that but yes I do and always have understood not to frame statements in articles as C) or D). [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 07:25, 30 June 2023 (UTC)		:::Vaguely insulted it's come down to that but yes I do and always have understood not to frame statements in articles as C) or D). [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 07:25, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
	::::Thank you, I really appreciate it. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 07:51, 30 June 2023 (UTC)		::::Thank you, I really appreciate it. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 07:51, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
			:::::Alright so how do we proceed from here. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 02:12, 1 July 2023 (UTC)