Talk:Altaïr Ibn-La'Ahad - Revision history

Soranin: Text replacement - "siniath" to "siniath"

2026-05-10T17:59:14Z

Text replacement - "siniath" to "siniath"

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	#Not fond of either of the other ones. --{{User:The Crimson Eagle/sig}} 15:34, May 8, 2013 (UTC)		#Not fond of either of the other ones. --{{User:The Crimson Eagle/sig}} 15:34, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
	#--[[User:ACsenior\|ACsenior]] ([[User talk:ACsenior\|talk]]) 16:17, May 8, 2013 (UTC)		#--[[User:ACsenior\|ACsenior]] ([[User talk:ACsenior\|talk]]) 16:17, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
	#Just seems the best - [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[~~w:c:assassinscreed:~~User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 16:26, May 8, 2013 (UTC)		#Just seems the best - [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 16:26, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
	#--{{Signature/Jasca Ducato}} 17:15, May 8, 2013 (UTC)		#--{{Signature/Jasca Ducato}} 17:15, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
	#[[User:Auditore5\|Auditore5]] [[User talk:Auditore5\|sì?]] 17:22, May 8, 2013 (UTC)		#[[User:Auditore5\|Auditore5]] [[User talk:Auditore5\|sì?]] 17:22, May 8, 2013 (UTC)

imported>Lacrossedeamon: /* Syrian */

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Syrian

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	:::The Encyclopedia does call him Syrian. Comparatively IRL wikipedia categorizes {{wiki\|Rashid ad-Din Sinan}} as a Syrian Ismaili. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 03:54, 1 July 2024 (UTC)		:::The Encyclopedia does call him Syrian. Comparatively IRL wikipedia categorizes {{wiki\|Rashid ad-Din Sinan}} as a Syrian Ismaili. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 03:54, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
	::::Yes, but in both cases they may be being loose with the name. Speaking from an international relations background, this is a common type of mistake even in political science literature due to the presentist bias of many writers. I do think an argument can be made that it's valid since the region had already been called Syria in Roman times as a province, so that the name is not entirely anachronistic. Also, I am assuming Syria can also be treated as a translation of the Arabic name ''{{wiki\|Syria (region)\|ash-Shām}}'', but from Wikipedia, it sounds like this is just an alternative translation from "Levant". In that case, we might treat Levantine and Syrian as interchangeable names for the same thing, but ''Assassin's Creed'' sources have not used "Syrian" in a very long time, and I would still be hesitant to do so. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 05:51, 1 July 2024 (UTC)		::::Yes, but in both cases they may be being loose with the name. Speaking from an international relations background, this is a common type of mistake even in political science literature due to the presentist bias of many writers. I do think an argument can be made that it's valid since the region had already been called Syria in Roman times as a province, so that the name is not entirely anachronistic. Also, I am assuming Syria can also be treated as a translation of the Arabic name ''{{wiki\|Syria (region)\|ash-Shām}}'', but from Wikipedia, it sounds like this is just an alternative translation from "Levant". In that case, we might treat Levantine and Syrian as interchangeable names for the same thing, but ''Assassin's Creed'' sources have not used "Syrian" in a very long time, and I would still be hesitant to do so. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 05:51, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
			:::::Fair enough just wanted to give examples. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 07:00, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

	== Name etymology ==		== Name etymology ==

imported>Sol Pacificus: /* Syrian */

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Syrian

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	::So should we remove this part of the first line about him being "Syrian-born"? [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 02:11, December 31, 2016 (UTC)		::So should we remove this part of the first line about him being "Syrian-born"? [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 02:11, December 31, 2016 (UTC)
	:::The Encyclopedia does call him Syrian. Comparatively IRL wikipedia categorizes {{wiki\|Rashid ad-Din Sinan}} as a Syrian Ismaili. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 03:54, 1 July 2024 (UTC)		:::The Encyclopedia does call him Syrian. Comparatively IRL wikipedia categorizes {{wiki\|Rashid ad-Din Sinan}} as a Syrian Ismaili. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 03:54, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
			::::Yes, but in both cases they may be being loose with the name. Speaking from an international relations background, this is a common type of mistake even in political science literature due to the presentist bias of many writers. I do think an argument can be made that it's valid since the region had already been called Syria in Roman times as a province, so that the name is not entirely anachronistic. Also, I am assuming Syria can also be treated as a translation of the Arabic name ''{{wiki\|Syria (region)\|ash-Shām}}'', but from Wikipedia, it sounds like this is just an alternative translation from "Levant". In that case, we might treat Levantine and Syrian as interchangeable names for the same thing, but ''Assassin's Creed'' sources have not used "Syrian" in a very long time, and I would still be hesitant to do so. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 05:51, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

	== Name etymology ==		== Name etymology ==

imported>Lacrossedeamon: /* Syrian */

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Syrian

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	**"Altaïr Ibn-La'Ahad (1165 – 1257) was a Syrian-born member of the Levantine Brotherhood of Assassins and served as their Mentor from 1191 until his death in 1257."<br />		**"Altaïr Ibn-La'Ahad (1165 – 1257) was a Syrian-born member of the Levantine Brotherhood of Assassins and served as their Mentor from 1191 until his death in 1257."<br />
	::So should we remove this part of the first line about him being "Syrian-born"? [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 02:11, December 31, 2016 (UTC)		::So should we remove this part of the first line about him being "Syrian-born"? [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 02:11, December 31, 2016 (UTC)
			:::The Encyclopedia does call him Syrian. Comparatively IRL wikipedia categorizes {{wiki\|Rashid ad-Din Sinan}} as a Syrian Ismaili. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 03:54, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

	== Name etymology ==		== Name etymology ==

imported>Clan of Many Skies: /* Name etymology */

2022-07-21T20:27:46Z

Name etymology

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	If you want citation for this, generic online translators won't get it. But you can look in an Arabic dictionary to see that ابن is "son" and لا أحد means "no one". [[User:Bottlewater\|Bottlewater]] ([[User talk:Bottlewater\|talk]]) 02:23, January 26, 2017 (UTC)		If you want citation for this, generic online translators won't get it. But you can look in an Arabic dictionary to see that ابن is "son" and لا أحد means "no one". [[User:Bottlewater\|Bottlewater]] ([[User talk:Bottlewater\|talk]]) 02:23, January 26, 2017 (UTC)
	: I could've sworn this article once mentioned it; I do not know why it does not anymore. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 02:44, January 26, 2017 (UTC)		: I could've sworn this article once mentioned it; I do not know why it does not anymore. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 02:44, January 26, 2017 (UTC)

	: One might also mention that if they intended his given name to mean "eagle", they missed - the full name of the star is an-Nasr at-Tā'ir, "the Flying Eagle", with the noun "eagle" coming first (ie, "Nasr"). And what in the world possessed them to throw in an ï? [[User:Duneflower\|Duneflower]] ([[User talk:Duneflower\|talk]]) 20:26, 21 July 2022 (UTC)		: One might also mention that if they intended his given name to mean "eagle", they missed - the full name of the star is an-Nasr at-Tā'ir, "the Flying Eagle", with the noun "eagle" coming first (ie, "Nasr"). And what in the world possessed them to throw in an ï? [[User:Duneflower\|Duneflower]] ([[User talk:Duneflower\|talk]]) 20:26, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

imported>Clan of Many Skies: /* Name etymology */

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Name etymology

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	If you want citation for this, generic online translators won't get it. But you can look in an Arabic dictionary to see that ابن is "son" and لا أحد means "no one". [[User:Bottlewater\|Bottlewater]] ([[User talk:Bottlewater\|talk]]) 02:23, January 26, 2017 (UTC)		If you want citation for this, generic online translators won't get it. But you can look in an Arabic dictionary to see that ابن is "son" and لا أحد means "no one". [[User:Bottlewater\|Bottlewater]] ([[User talk:Bottlewater\|talk]]) 02:23, January 26, 2017 (UTC)
	: I could've sworn this article once mentioned it; I do not know why it does not anymore. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 02:44, January 26, 2017 (UTC)		: I could've sworn this article once mentioned it; I do not know why it does not anymore. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 02:44, January 26, 2017 (UTC)
			: One might also mention that if they intended his given name to mean "eagle", they missed - the full name of the star is an-Nasr at-Tā'ir, "the Flying Eagle", with the noun "eagle" coming first (ie, "Nasr"). And what in the world possessed them to throw in an ï? [[User:Duneflower\|Duneflower]] ([[User talk:Duneflower\|talk]]) 20:26, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

imported>Sol Pacificus: /* Name etymology */

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Name etymology

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	How come is the meaning of his name not mentioned? It's noted his first name is after the star, but it could be added that "ibn la-ahad" means "son of no one".		How come is the meaning of his name not mentioned? It's noted his first name is after the star, but it could be added that "ibn la-ahad" means "son of no one".
	If you want citation for this, generic online translators won't get it. But you can look in an Arabic dictionary to see that ابن is "son" and لا أحد means "no one". [[User:Bottlewater\|Bottlewater]] ([[User talk:Bottlewater\|talk]]) 02:23, January 26, 2017 (UTC)		If you want citation for this, generic online translators won't get it. But you can look in an Arabic dictionary to see that ابن is "son" and لا أحد means "no one". [[User:Bottlewater\|Bottlewater]] ([[User talk:Bottlewater\|talk]]) 02:23, January 26, 2017 (UTC)
			: I could've sworn this article once mentioned it; I do not know why it does not anymore. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 02:44, January 26, 2017 (UTC)

imported>Bottlewater: /* Name etymology */ new section

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Name etymology: new section

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	**"Altaïr Ibn-La'Ahad (1165 – 1257) was a Syrian-born member of the Levantine Brotherhood of Assassins and served as their Mentor from 1191 until his death in 1257."<br />		**"Altaïr Ibn-La'Ahad (1165 – 1257) was a Syrian-born member of the Levantine Brotherhood of Assassins and served as their Mentor from 1191 until his death in 1257."<br />
	::So should we remove this part of the first line about him being "Syrian-born"? [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 02:11, December 31, 2016 (UTC)		::So should we remove this part of the first line about him being "Syrian-born"? [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 02:11, December 31, 2016 (UTC)

			== Name etymology ==

			How come is the meaning of his name not mentioned? It's noted his first name is after the star, but it could be added that "ibn la-ahad" means "son of no one".
			If you want citation for this, generic online translators won't get it. But you can look in an Arabic dictionary to see that ابن is "son" and لا أحد means "no one". [[User:Bottlewater\|Bottlewater]] ([[User talk:Bottlewater\|talk]]) 02:23, January 26, 2017 (UTC)

imported>Sol Pacificus: /* Syrian */

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Syrian

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	Is the classification of Altaïr as "Syrian" confirmed in canon? Although the region he grew up in and lived all his life corresponds to modern Syria and also with the area called Syria by the Greeks and Romans, this wasn't a nationality during his time as Syria as a sovereign state did not arise until after World War I. Syria as a unified cultural identity also did not exist in his time. If we were talking about the region, it is probably more correct to say Levantine, as sources use that term instead. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 20:59, December 30, 2016 (UTC)		Is the classification of Altaïr as "Syrian" confirmed in canon? Although the region he grew up in and lived all his life corresponds to modern Syria and also with the area called Syria by the Greeks and Romans, this wasn't a nationality during his time as Syria as a sovereign state did not arise until after World War I. Syria as a unified cultural identity also did not exist in his time. If we were talking about the region, it is probably more correct to say Levantine, as sources use that term instead. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 20:59, December 30, 2016 (UTC)
	*His branch of assassins are known as Levantine. --[[User:Revan's Exile\|Revan's Exile]] ([[User talk:Revan's Exile\|talk]]) 21:32, December 30, 2016 (UTC)		*His branch of assassins are known as Levantine. --[[User:Revan's Exile\|Revan's Exile]] ([[User talk:Revan's Exile\|talk]]) 21:32, December 30, 2016 (UTC)
			**"Altaïr Ibn-La'Ahad (1165 – 1257) was a Syrian-born member of the Levantine Brotherhood of Assassins and served as their Mentor from 1191 until his death in 1257."<br />
			::So should we remove this part of the first line about him being "Syrian-born"? [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 02:11, December 31, 2016 (UTC)

imported>Revan's Exile: /* Syrian */

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Syrian

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	Is the classification of Altaïr as "Syrian" confirmed in canon? Although the region he grew up in and lived all his life corresponds to modern Syria and also with the area called Syria by the Greeks and Romans, this wasn't a nationality during his time as Syria as a sovereign state did not arise until after World War I. Syria as a unified cultural identity also did not exist in his time. If we were talking about the region, it is probably more correct to say Levantine, as sources use that term instead. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 20:59, December 30, 2016 (UTC)		Is the classification of Altaïr as "Syrian" confirmed in canon? Although the region he grew up in and lived all his life corresponds to modern Syria and also with the area called Syria by the Greeks and Romans, this wasn't a nationality during his time as Syria as a sovereign state did not arise until after World War I. Syria as a unified cultural identity also did not exist in his time. If we were talking about the region, it is probably more correct to say Levantine, as sources use that term instead. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 20:59, December 30, 2016 (UTC)
			*His branch of assassins are known as Levantine. --[[User:Revan's Exile\|Revan's Exile]] ([[User talk:Revan's Exile\|talk]]) 21:32, December 30, 2016 (UTC)

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	If you want citation for this, generic online translators won't get it. But you can look in an Arabic dictionary to see that ابن is "son" and لا أحد means "no one". [[User:Bottlewater\|Bottlewater]] ([[User talk:Bottlewater\|talk]]) 02:23, January 26, 2017 (UTC)		If you want citation for this, generic online translators won't get it. But you can look in an Arabic dictionary to see that ابن is "son" and لا أحد means "no one". [[User:Bottlewater\|Bottlewater]] ([[User talk:Bottlewater\|talk]]) 02:23, January 26, 2017 (UTC)
	: I could've sworn this article once mentioned it; I do not know why it does not anymore. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 02:44, January 26, 2017 (UTC)		: I could've sworn this article once mentioned it; I do not know why it does not anymore. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 02:44, January 26, 2017 (UTC)

	: One might also mention that if they intended his given name to mean "eagle", they missed - the full name of the star is an-Nasr at-Tā'ir, "the Flying Eagle", with the noun "eagle" coming first (ie, "Nasr"). And what in the world possessed them to throw in an ï? [[User:Duneflower\|Duneflower]] ([[User talk:Duneflower\|talk]]) 20:26, 21 July 2022 (UTC)		: One might also mention that if they intended his given name to mean "eagle", they missed - the full name of the star is an-Nasr at-Tā'ir, "the Flying Eagle", with the noun "eagle" coming first (ie, "Nasr"). And what in the world possessed them to throw in an ï? [[User:Duneflower\|Duneflower]] ([[User talk:Duneflower\|talk]]) 20:26, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

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	If you want citation for this, generic online translators won't get it. But you can look in an Arabic dictionary to see that ابن is "son" and لا أحد means "no one". [[User:Bottlewater\|Bottlewater]] ([[User talk:Bottlewater\|talk]]) 02:23, January 26, 2017 (UTC)		If you want citation for this, generic online translators won't get it. But you can look in an Arabic dictionary to see that ابن is "son" and لا أحد means "no one". [[User:Bottlewater\|Bottlewater]] ([[User talk:Bottlewater\|talk]]) 02:23, January 26, 2017 (UTC)
	: I could've sworn this article once mentioned it; I do not know why it does not anymore. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 02:44, January 26, 2017 (UTC)		: I could've sworn this article once mentioned it; I do not know why it does not anymore. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 02:44, January 26, 2017 (UTC)
			: One might also mention that if they intended his given name to mean "eagle", they missed - the full name of the star is an-Nasr at-Tā'ir, "the Flying Eagle", with the noun "eagle" coming first (ie, "Nasr"). And what in the world possessed them to throw in an ï? [[User:Duneflower\|Duneflower]] ([[User talk:Duneflower\|talk]]) 20:26, 21 July 2022 (UTC)