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	On page 405 of Forsaken, the first page of the entry dated 7 March 1778, Haytham wrote: "There was no way I was going to let Benjamin get away. Not having had to put up with life on the Aguila for almost a month, trapped with Connor’s friend and ship’s captain Robert Faulkner, among others, chasing Benjamin's schooner, which had stayed just out of our reach, dodging cannon attacks, catching tantalizing glimpses of him on the deck of his ship, his taunting face . . . No way was I going to let him get away. Especially as we came so close in waters close to the Gulf of Mexico, the Aquila at last racing up alongside his schooner."		On page 405 of Forsaken, the first page of the entry dated 7 March 1778, Haytham wrote: "There was no way I was going to let Benjamin get away. Not having had to put up with life on the Aguila for almost a month, trapped with Connor’s friend and ship’s captain Robert Faulkner, among others, chasing Benjamin's schooner, which had stayed just out of our reach, dodging cannon attacks, catching tantalizing glimpses of him on the deck of his ship, his taunting face . . . No way was I going to let him get away. Especially as we came so close in waters close to the Gulf of Mexico, the Aquila at last racing up alongside his schooner."

	"~~almost~~ a month" is a key phrase which makes me believe that this memory (and Church's death) takes place in late February since the previous entry in Haytham's journal is dated 26 January 1778. I believe Haytham only wrote about the incident later, on 7 March, perhaps because he didn't bring his journal with him on the Aquila for fear of sensitive knowledge being pilfered by the Assassins. Haytham probably chartered a ship back to the colonies rather than sail back on the Aquila, for he was in no rush to get back as he was in to catch Church, and because he clearly had no desire to be aboard the Aquila any longer.		"Almost a month" is a key phrase which makes me believe that this memory (and Church's death) takes place in late February since the previous entry in Haytham's journal is dated 26 January 1778. I believe Haytham only wrote about the incident later, on 7 March, perhaps because he didn't bring his journal with him on the Aquila for fear of sensitive knowledge being pilfered by the Assassins. Haytham probably chartered a ship back to the colonies rather than sail back on the Aquila, for he was in no rush to get back as he was in to catch Church, and because he clearly had no desire to be aboard the Aquila any longer.

	Connor would then kill Nicholas Biddle on his historical date of death, 7 March, while still in the Caribbean, coincidentally on the same day as Haytham's journal entry.		Connor would then kill Nicholas Biddle on his historical date of death, 7 March, while still in the Caribbean, coincidentally on the same day as Haytham's journal entry.

imported>LePhantomChick N: /* Date */

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	:There should always be a footnote when a date is deduced. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 05:44, 29 June 2024 (UTC)		:There should always be a footnote when a date is deduced. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 05:44, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
	On page 405 of Forsaken, the first page of the entry dated 7 March 1778, Haytham wrote: "There was no way I was going to let Benjamin get away. Not having had to put up with life on the Aguila for almost a month, trapped with Connor’s friend and ship’s captain Robert Faulkner, among others, chasing Benjamin's schooner, which had stayed just out of our reach, dodging cannon attacks, catching tantalizing glimpses of him on the deck of his ship, his taunting face . . . No way was I going to let him get away. Especially as we came so close in waters close to the Gulf of Mexico, the Aquila at last racing up alongside his schooner."		On page 405 of Forsaken, the first page of the entry dated 7 March 1778, Haytham wrote: "There was no way I was going to let Benjamin get away. Not having had to put up with life on the Aguila for almost a month, trapped with Connor’s friend and ship’s captain Robert Faulkner, among others, chasing Benjamin's schooner, which had stayed just out of our reach, dodging cannon attacks, catching tantalizing glimpses of him on the deck of his ship, his taunting face . . . No way was I going to let him get away. Especially as we came so close in waters close to the Gulf of Mexico, the Aquila at last racing up alongside his schooner."

	"almost a month" is a key phrase which makes me believe that this memory (and Church's death) takes place in late February since the previous entry in Haytham's journal is dated 26 January 1778. I believe Haytham only wrote about the incident later, on 7 March, perhaps because he didn't bring his journal with him on the Aquila for fear of sensitive knowledge being pilfered by the Assassins. Haytham probably chartered a ship back to the colonies rather than sail back on the Aquila, for he was in no rush to get back as he was in to catch Church, and because he clearly had no desire to be aboard the Aquila any longer.		"almost a month" is a key phrase which makes me believe that this memory (and Church's death) takes place in late February since the previous entry in Haytham's journal is dated 26 January 1778. I believe Haytham only wrote about the incident later, on 7 March, perhaps because he didn't bring his journal with him on the Aquila for fear of sensitive knowledge being pilfered by the Assassins. Haytham probably chartered a ship back to the colonies rather than sail back on the Aquila, for he was in no rush to get back as he was in to catch Church, and because he clearly had no desire to be aboard the Aquila any longer.

	Connor would then kill Nicholas Biddle on his historical date of death, 7 March, while still in the Caribbean, coincidentally on the same day as Haytham's journal entry.		Connor would then kill Nicholas Biddle on his historical date of death, 7 March, while still in the Caribbean, coincidentally on the same day as Haytham's journal entry.

	Benjamin Church didn't historically die until after September 1778 anyway, so moving his date of death back 1-2 weeks is no issue.		Benjamin Church didn't historically die until after September 1778 anyway, so moving his date of death back 1-2 weeks is no issue.
	[[User:LePhantomChick N\|LePhantomChick N]] ([[User talk:LePhantomChick N\|talk]]) 01:39, 6 March 2025 (UTC)		[[User:LePhantomChick N\|LePhantomChick N]] ([[User talk:LePhantomChick N\|talk]]) 01:39, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

imported>LePhantomChick N: /* Date */

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	Connor would then kill Nicholas Biddle on his historical date of death, 7 March, while still in the Caribbean, coincidentally on the same day as Haytham's journal entry.		Connor would then kill Nicholas Biddle on his historical date of death, 7 March, while still in the Caribbean, coincidentally on the same day as Haytham's journal entry.
	Benjamin Church didn't historically die until after September 1778 anyway, so moving his date of death back 1-2 weeks is no issue.		Benjamin Church didn't historically die until after September 1778 anyway, so moving his date of death back 1-2 weeks is no issue.
			[[User:LePhantomChick N\|LePhantomChick N]] ([[User talk:LePhantomChick N\|talk]]) 01:39, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

imported>LePhantomChick N: Date input

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	If this is resolved we probably need either a citation or footnote for the date if not given by the memory in game itself. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 06:15, 23 June 2024 (UTC)		If this is resolved we probably need either a citation or footnote for the date if not given by the memory in game itself. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 06:15, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
	:There should always be a footnote when a date is deduced. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 05:44, 29 June 2024 (UTC)		:There should always be a footnote when a date is deduced. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 05:44, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
			On page 405 of Forsaken, the first page of the entry dated 7 March 1778, Haytham wrote: "There was no way I was going to let Benjamin get away. Not having had to put up with life on the Aguila for almost a month, trapped with Connor’s friend and ship’s captain Robert Faulkner, among others, chasing Benjamin's schooner, which had stayed just out of our reach, dodging cannon attacks, catching tantalizing glimpses of him on the deck of his ship, his taunting face . . . No way was I going to let him get away. Especially as we came so close in waters close to the Gulf of Mexico, the Aquila at last racing up alongside his schooner."
			"almost a month" is a key phrase which makes me believe that this memory (and Church's death) takes place in late February since the previous entry in Haytham's journal is dated 26 January 1778. I believe Haytham only wrote about the incident later, on 7 March, perhaps because he didn't bring his journal with him on the Aquila for fear of sensitive knowledge being pilfered by the Assassins. Haytham probably chartered a ship back to the colonies rather than sail back on the Aquila, for he was in no rush to get back as he was in to catch Church, and because he clearly had no desire to be aboard the Aquila any longer.
			Connor would then kill Nicholas Biddle on his historical date of death, 7 March, while still in the Caribbean, coincidentally on the same day as Haytham's journal entry.
			Benjamin Church didn't historically die until after September 1778 anyway, so moving his date of death back 1-2 weeks is no issue.

imported>Sol Pacificus: /* Date */

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	Source for the date? I presume it is ''Forsaken'', which I do not have with me right now. As it is right now, both this memory and [[Biddle's Hideout]] take place on the same day, which I find highly unlikely. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 22:16, July 23, 2014 (UTC)		Source for the date? I presume it is ''Forsaken'', which I do not have with me right now. As it is right now, both this memory and [[Biddle's Hideout]] take place on the same day, which I find highly unlikely. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 22:16, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
			:According to ''Forsaken'', it takes place on 7 March 1778. I have often thought about how it doesn't really make any sense that Connor killed Biddle 10 days later, though.[[User:Bovkaffe\|Bovkaffe]] ([[User talk:Bovkaffe\|talk]]) 22:26, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
	According to ''Forsaken'', it takes place on 7 March 1778. I have often thought about how it doesn't really make any sense that Connor killed Biddle 10 days later, though.[[User:Bovkaffe\|Bovkaffe]] ([[User talk:Bovkaffe\|talk]]) 22:26, July 23, 2014 (UTC)		::Connor doesn't kill Biddle on 17 March, but on 7 March. Which makes even less sense. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 22:30, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
			:::It's still weird, though. Did Connor did just drop Haytham off somewhere, only to go to the Bahamas? Within 10 days?[[User:Bovkaffe\|Bovkaffe]] ([[User talk:Bovkaffe\|talk]]) 19:15, July 24, 2014 (UTC)
	Connor doesn't kill Biddle on 17 March, but on 7 March. Which makes even less sense. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 22:30, July 23, 2014 (UTC)

	It's still weird, though. Did Connor did just drop Haytham off somewhere, only to go to the Bahamas? Within 10 days?[[User:Bovkaffe\|Bovkaffe]] ([[User talk:Bovkaffe\|talk]]) 19:15, July 24, 2014 (UTC)

	If this is resolved we probably need either a citation or footnote for the date if not given by the memory in game itself. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 06:15, 23 June 2024 (UTC)		If this is resolved we probably need either a citation or footnote for the date if not given by the memory in game itself. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 06:15, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
			:There should always be a footnote when a date is deduced. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 05:44, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

imported>Lacrossedeamon: /* Date */

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	It's still weird, though. Did Connor did just drop Haytham off somewhere, only to go to the Bahamas? Within 10 days?[[User:Bovkaffe\|Bovkaffe]] ([[User talk:Bovkaffe\|talk]]) 19:15, July 24, 2014 (UTC)		It's still weird, though. Did Connor did just drop Haytham off somewhere, only to go to the Bahamas? Within 10 days?[[User:Bovkaffe\|Bovkaffe]] ([[User talk:Bovkaffe\|talk]]) 19:15, July 24, 2014 (UTC)

			If this is resolved we probably need either a citation or footnote for the date if not given by the memory in game itself. [[User:Lacrossedeamon\|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon\|talk]]) 06:15, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

imported>Lacrossedeamon: not sure if this was resolved

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not sure if this was resolved

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	Source for the date? I presume it is ''Forsaken'', which I do not have with me right now. As it is right now, both this memory and [[Biddle's Hideout]] take place on the same day, which I find highly unlikely. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 22:16, July 23, 2014 (UTC)		Source for the date? I presume it is ''Forsaken'', which I do not have with me right now. As it is right now, both this memory and [[Biddle's Hideout]] take place on the same day, which I find highly unlikely. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 22:16, July 23, 2014 (UTC)

imported>Lacrossedeamon at 07:17, 8 June 2024

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	Source for the date? I presume it is ''Forsaken'', which I do not have with me right now. As it is right now, both this memory and [[Biddle's Hideout]] take place on the same day, which I find highly unlikely. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 22:16, July 23, 2014 (UTC)		Source for the date? I presume it is ''Forsaken'', which I do not have with me right now. As it is right now, both this memory and [[Biddle's Hideout]] take place on the same day, which I find highly unlikely. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 22:16, July 23, 2014 (UTC)

imported>RebeccaAWB: /* top */Adding {{Talkheader}}

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	Source for the date? I presume it is ''Forsaken'', which I do not have with me right now. As it is right now, both this memory and [[Biddle's Hideout]] take place on the same day, which I find highly unlikely. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 22:16, July 23, 2014 (UTC)		Source for the date? I presume it is ''Forsaken'', which I do not have with me right now. As it is right now, both this memory and [[Biddle's Hideout]] take place on the same day, which I find highly unlikely. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 22:16, July 23, 2014 (UTC)

imported>Bovkaffe at 19:15, 24 July 2014

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	Connor doesn't kill Biddle on 17 March, but on 7 March. Which makes even less sense. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 22:30, July 23, 2014 (UTC)		Connor doesn't kill Biddle on 17 March, but on 7 March. Which makes even less sense. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 22:30, July 23, 2014 (UTC)

			It's still weird, though. Did Connor did just drop Haytham off somewhere, only to go to the Bahamas? Within 10 days?[[User:Bovkaffe\|Bovkaffe]] ([[User talk:Bovkaffe\|talk]]) 19:15, July 24, 2014 (UTC)