Persuasion Check - Revision history

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	\| type = ''[[The Lost Tales of Greece]]''		\| type = ''[[The Lost Tales of Greece]]''
	\| previous = [[Finding One's Voice]]		\| previous = [[Finding One's Voice]]
	\| ~~next~~ = [[Deposition Opposition]] ~~{{c~~\|~~concurrent}}<br>~~[[You're Such a Sokratease]]		\| concurrent = [[Deposition Opposition]]
			\| next = [[You're Such a Sokratease]]
	\| source = [[Kassandra]]		\| source = [[Kassandra]]
	\| location = [[Sanctuary of Delphi]], [[Phokis]], [[Greece]]		\| location = [[Sanctuary of Delphi]], [[Phokis]], [[Greece]]
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	== Trivia ==		== Trivia ==
	The name of this quest may be a reference to the popular fantasy tabletop role-playing game "~~[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dungeons_%26_Dragons~~ Dungeons ~~and~~ Dragons]", in which players roll dice or "persuasion checks" to convince an NPC to do something for them.		The name of this quest may be a reference to the popular fantasy tabletop role-playing game "{{Wiki\|Dungeons & Dragons}}", in which players roll dice or "persuasion checks" to convince an NPC to do something for them.

	== Gallery ==		== Gallery ==

imported>Glacieer at 13:07, 20 January 2024

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	Kassandra gained the help of the philosophers and met the young Plato.		Kassandra gained the help of the philosophers and met the young Plato.

	==Gallery==		== Trivia ==
			The name of this quest may be a reference to the popular fantasy tabletop role-playing game "[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dungeons_%26_Dragons Dungeons and Dragons]", in which players roll dice or "persuasion checks" to convince an NPC to do something for them.

			== Gallery ==
	<gallery position="center" widths="180" captionalign="center">		<gallery position="center" widths="180" captionalign="center">
	ACOD Persuasion Check 1.png\|Kassandra finding the philosophers		ACOD Persuasion Check 1.png\|Kassandra finding the philosophers

imported>Darman36 at 01:56, 31 March 2021

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imported>Soranin at 19:54, 26 March 2021

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	She joined in on their conversation.		She joined in on their conversation.
	*'''Philosopher 1:''' ''Do not students take what they learn from their teachers? What then if the teacher is wrong? Does that not simply perpetuate these wrong teachings among future generations?''		*'''Philosopher 1:''' ''Do not students take what they learn from their teachers? What then if the teacher is wrong? Does that not simply perpetuate these wrong teachings among future generations?''
	*'''Philosopher 2:''' ''You assume the students aren't wise enough to understand the flaws of the teacher. Think of those who came before us. First [[Thales of Miletus\|Thales]], then his student [[Anaximandros]], and then [[~~Anaximenes of Miletus\|~~Anaximenes]]. Without the teachings of those before him, it's safe to say Anaximenes would not have reached the conclusions he did.''		*'''Philosopher 2:''' ''You assume the students aren't wise enough to understand the flaws of the teacher. Think of those who came before us. First [[Thales of Miletus\|Thales]], then his student [[Anaximandros]], and then [[Anaximenes]]. Without the teachings of those before him, it's safe to say Anaximenes would not have reached the conclusions he did.''
	*'''Philosopher 1:''' ''I don't think that's true. Perhaps this new face can offer a different perspective.''		*'''Philosopher 1:''' ''I don't think that's true. Perhaps this new face can offer a different perspective.''

imported>Lady Kyashira at 04:24, 30 June 2020

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imported>IrreverentRev: corrected misspelling

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	*'''Philosopher 2:''' ''You assume the students aren't wise enough to understand the flaws of the teacher. Think of those who came before us. First Thales, then his student Anaximandros, and then Anaximenes. Without the teachings of those before him, it's safe to say Anaximenes would not have reached the conclusions he did.''		*'''Philosopher 2:''' ''You assume the students aren't wise enough to understand the flaws of the teacher. Think of those who came before us. First Thales, then his student Anaximandros, and then Anaximenes. Without the teachings of those before him, it's safe to say Anaximenes would not have reached the conclusions he did.''
	*'''Philosopher 1:''' ''I don't think that's true. Perhaps this new face can offer a different perspective.''		*'''Philosopher 1:''' ''I don't think that's true. Perhaps this new face can offer a different perspective.''

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	\|-\|I don't know who those people are.=		\|-\|I don't know who those people are.=
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	*'''Aristokles:''' ''Wow, I've never seen someone convince them so easily before!''		*'''Aristokles:''' ''Wow, I've never seen someone convince them so easily before!''
	*'''Kassandra:''' ''Is that so? Guess I should feel proud. I'm surprised to see a child here.''		*'''Kassandra:''' ''Is that so? Guess I should feel proud. I'm surprised to see a child here.''
	*'''Aristokles:''' ''Is there an age where it would suddenly be OK to ~~debat~~ with them? What then of the night before I turn that age? Should we be prevented from doing what we wish due to the world's view of us?''		*'''Aristokles:''' ''Is there an age where it would suddenly be OK to debate with them? What then of the night before I turn that age? Should we be prevented from doing what we wish due to the world's view of us?''

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imported>Lady Kyashira: Added images.

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Added images.

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	{{Era\|Memories\|ACOD}}		{{Era\|Memories\|ACOD}}
	~~{{Imageneed}}~~
	{{Memory Infobox		{{Memory Infobox
	\| image =		\| image = ACOD Persuasion Check 5.png
	\| description = ''Kassandra knew Sokrates would stand a better chance at trial if he convinced others to stand up for him.''		\| description = ''Kassandra knew Sokrates would stand a better chance at trial if he convinced others to stand up for him.''
	\| appearance = ''[[Assassin's Creed: Odyssey]]''		\| appearance = ''[[Assassin's Creed: Odyssey]]''
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	Kassandra traveled to the [[Sanctuary of Delphi]]. As she approached Sokrates' fellow philosophers, she considered how they might help.		Kassandra traveled to the [[Sanctuary of Delphi]]. As she approached Sokrates' fellow philosophers, she considered how they might help.
	*'''Kassandra:''' ''Maybe I can convince them to stand up for Sokrates at the trial.''		*'''Kassandra:''' ''Maybe I can convince them to stand up for Sokrates at the trial.''

	She listened in on their conversation.		She listened in on their conversation.

	*'''Philosopher 1:''' ''It's as Xenophanes said, of course! We have given the gods human forms because we wish them to be as we are.''		*'''Philosopher 1:''' ''It's as Xenophanes said, of course! We have given the gods human forms because we wish them to be as we are.''
	*'''Philosopher 2:''' ''No, they are as they are. Who are we to give form to the gods?''		*'''Philosopher 2:''' ''No, they are as they are. Who are we to give form to the gods?''
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	*'''Philosopher 1:''' ''Come now, don't be like that. It's OK to be wrong... sometimes.''		*'''Philosopher 1:''' ''Come now, don't be like that. It's OK to be wrong... sometimes.''
	*'''Philosopher 2:''' ''Ha! I wouldn't know what that's like.''		*'''Philosopher 2:''' ''Ha! I wouldn't know what that's like.''
			[[File:ACOD Persuasion Check 3.png\|thumb\|250px\|Kassandra joining the conversation]]
	She ~~joins~~ their conversation.		She joined in on their conversation.

	*'''Philosopher 1:''' ''Do not students take what they learn from their teachers? What then if the teacher is wrong? Does that not simply perpetuate these wrong teachings among future generations?''		*'''Philosopher 1:''' ''Do not students take what they learn from their teachers? What then if the teacher is wrong? Does that not simply perpetuate these wrong teachings among future generations?''
	*'''Philosopher 2:''' ''You assume the students aren't wise enough to understand the flaws of the teacher. Think of those who came before us. First Thales, then his student Anaximandros, and then Anaximenes. Without the teachings of those before him, it's safe to say Anaximenes would not have reached the conclusions he did.''		*'''Philosopher 2:''' ''You assume the students aren't wise enough to understand the flaws of the teacher. Think of those who came before us. First Thales, then his student Anaximandros, and then Anaximenes. Without the teachings of those before him, it's safe to say Anaximenes would not have reached the conclusions he did.''
	*'''Philosopher 1:''' ''I don't think that's true. Perhaps this new face can offer a different perspective.''		*'''Philosopher 1:''' ''I don't think that's true. Perhaps this new face can offer a different perspective.''

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	\|-\|I don't know who those people are.=		\|-\|I don't know who those people are.=
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	*'''Aristokles:''' ''Disagreements can lead to even'' more ''understanding!''		*'''Aristokles:''' ''Disagreements can lead to even'' more ''understanding!''
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			[[File:ACOD Persuasion Check 6.png\|thumb\|250px\|Kassandra speaking to Aristokles]]
	*'''Kassandra:''' ''You're the first kid I've met who'd rather debate than play.''		*'''Kassandra:''' ''You're the first kid I've met who'd rather debate than play.''
	*'''Aristokles:''' ''Don't tell the others, but I'm envious you're a student of Sokrates. I hope one day to be one as well.''		*'''Aristokles:''' ''Don't tell the others, but I'm envious you're a student of Sokrates. I hope one day to be one as well.''
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	==Outcome==		==Outcome==
	Kassandra gained the help of the philosophers and met the young [[Plato]].		Kassandra gained the help of the philosophers and met the young Plato.

			==Gallery==
			<gallery position="center" widths="180" captionalign="center">
			ACOD Persuasion Check 1.png\|Kassandra finding the philosophers
			ACOD Persuasion Check 2.png\|Plato observing the conversation
			ACOD Persuasion Check 4.png\|Kassandra convincing the philosopher to help Sokrates
			ACOD Persuasion Check 7.png\|Aristokles parting ways with Kassandra
			</gallery>

	==References==		==References==

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	*'''Kassandra:''' ''Maybe I can convince them to stand up for Sokrates at the trial.''		*'''Kassandra:''' ''Maybe I can convince them to stand up for Sokrates at the trial.''

	She ~~joined~~ their conversation.		She listened in on their conversation.

			*'''Philosopher 1:''' ''It's as Xenophanes said, of course! We have given the gods human forms because we wish them to be as we are.''
			*'''Philosopher 2:''' ''No, they are as they are. Who are we to give form to the gods?''
			*'''Philosopher 1:''' ''Exactly my point! As he said, if oxen or horses or any beast could produce art as we do, they would form the gods in the image of themselves.''
			*'''Philosopher 2:''' ''Yes, well they can't. And you've simply shown me again why Xenophanes is problematic.''
			*'''Philosopher 1:''' ''Come now, don't be like that. It's OK to be wrong... sometimes.''
			*'''Philosopher 2:''' ''Ha! I wouldn't know what that's like.''

			She joins their conversation.

	*'''Philosopher 1:''' ''Do not students take what they learn from their teachers? What then if the teacher is wrong? Does that not simply perpetuate these wrong teachings among future generations?''		*'''Philosopher 1:''' ''Do not students take what they learn from their teachers? What then if the teacher is wrong? Does that not simply perpetuate these wrong teachings among future generations?''

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	==Dialogue==		==Dialogue==
	Kassandra traveled to the [[Sanctuary of Delphi]] ~~and met~~ Sokrates' fellow philosophers.		Kassandra traveled to the [[Sanctuary of Delphi]]. As she approached Sokrates' fellow philosophers, she considered how they might help.
			*'''Kassandra:''' ''Maybe I can convince them to stand up for Sokrates at the trial.''

			She joined their conversation.

	*'''Philosopher 1:''' ''Do not students take what they learn from their teachers? What then if the teacher is wrong? Does that not simply perpetuate these wrong teachings among future generations?''		*'''Philosopher 1:''' ''Do not students take what they learn from their teachers? What then if the teacher is wrong? Does that not simply perpetuate these wrong teachings among future generations?''

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	\| location = [[Sanctuary of Delphi]], [[Phokis]], [[Greece]]		\| location = [[Sanctuary of Delphi]], [[Phokis]], [[Greece]]
	\| date = c. 422 BCE}}		\| date = c. 422 BCE}}
	'''Persuasion Check''' was a virtual representation of one of [[Kassandra]]'s genetic memories, relived by [[Layla Hassan]] through the ~~Portable~~ [[Animus\|Animus HR-8.5]].		'''Persuasion Check''' was a virtual representation of one of [[Kassandra]]'s [[Genetic memory\|genetic memories]], relived by [[Layla Hassan]] through the [[Animus\|Portable Animus HR-8.5]].

	==Description==		==Description==
	Kassandra met with other philosopher to ask for help in defending [[Sokrates]].		Kassandra met with other philosopher to ask for help in defending [[Sokrates]].
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	*'''Kassandra:''' ''Maybe I can convince them to stand up for Sokrates at the trial.''		*'''Kassandra:''' ''Maybe I can convince them to stand up for Sokrates at the trial.''
	She listened in on their conversation.		She listened in on their conversation.
	*'''Philosopher 1:''' ''It's as [[Xenophanes]] said, of course! We have given the gods human forms because we wish them to be as we are.''		*'''Philosopher 1:''' ''It's as [[Xenophanes]] said, of course! We have given the [[Greek mythology\|gods]] [[human]] forms because we wish them to be as we are.''
	*'''Philosopher 2:''' ''No, they are as they are. Who are we to give form to the gods?''		*'''Philosopher 2:''' ''No, they are as they are. Who are we to give form to the gods?''
	*'''Philosopher 1:''' ''Exactly my point! As he said, if oxen or horses or any beast could produce art as we do, they would form the gods in the image of themselves.''		*'''Philosopher 1:''' ''Exactly my point! As he said, if [[Cattle\|oxen]] or horses or any beast could produce art as we do, they would form the gods in the image of themselves.''
	*'''Philosopher 2:''' ''Yes, well they can't. And you've simply shown me again why Xenophanes is problematic.''		*'''Philosopher 2:''' ''Yes, well they can't. And you've simply shown me again why Xenophanes is problematic.''
	*'''Philosopher 1:''' ''Come now, don't be like that. It's OK to be wrong... sometimes.''		*'''Philosopher 1:''' ''Come now, don't be like that. It's OK to be wrong... sometimes.''
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	\|-\|~~[THREATEN]~~ Help Sokrates, or I'll hurt you.=		\|-\|Threaten – Help Sokrates, or I'll hurt you.=
	*'''Kassandra:''' ''You can either help him, or I can show you that I'm not a misthios only in looks.''		*'''Kassandra:''' ''You can either help him, or I can show you that I'm not a ''misthios'' only in looks.''
	*'''Philosopher 2:''' ''I didn't realize Sokrates taught his students to harm those who disagree with them.''		*'''Philosopher 2:''' ''I didn't realize Sokrates taught his students to harm those who disagree with them.''
	*'''Kassandra:''' ''I'm a different student than you're used to.''		*'''Kassandra:''' ''I'm a different student than you're used to.''

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	{{Memory Infobox		{{Memory Infobox
	\| image = ACOD Persuasion Check 5.png		\| image = ACOD Persuasion Check 5.png
	\| description = ''Kassandra knew Sokrates would stand a better chance at trial if he convinced others to stand up for him.''		\| description = ''[[Kassandra]] knew [[Sokrates]] would stand a better chance at trial if he convinced others to stand up for him.''
	\| appearance = ''[[Assassin's Creed: Odyssey]]''		\| appearance = ''[[Assassin's Creed: Odyssey]]''
	\| type = ''[[The Lost Tales of Greece]]''		\| type = ''[[The Lost Tales of Greece]]''
	\| previous = [[Finding One's Voice]]		\| previous = [[Finding One's Voice]]
	\| next = [[Deposition Opposition]] {{c\|concurrent}} <br />[[You're Such a Sokratease]]		\| next = [[Deposition Opposition]] {{c\|concurrent}}<br>[[You're Such a Sokratease]]
	\| source = [[Kassandra]]		\| source = [[Kassandra]]
	\| location = [[Sanctuary of Delphi]], [[Phokis]], [[Greece]]		\| location = [[Sanctuary of Delphi]], [[Phokis]], [[Greece]]
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	==Description==		==Description==
	Kassandra met with other philosopher to ask for help in defending Sokrates.		Kassandra met with other philosopher to ask for help in defending [[Sokrates]].

	==Dialogue==		==Dialogue==
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	*'''Kassandra:''' ''Maybe I can convince them to stand up for Sokrates at the trial.''		*'''Kassandra:''' ''Maybe I can convince them to stand up for Sokrates at the trial.''
	She listened in on their conversation.		She listened in on their conversation.
	*'''Philosopher 1:''' ''It's as Xenophanes said, of course! We have given the gods human forms because we wish them to be as we are.''		*'''Philosopher 1:''' ''It's as [[Xenophanes]] said, of course! We have given the gods human forms because we wish them to be as we are.''
	*'''Philosopher 2:''' ''No, they are as they are. Who are we to give form to the gods?''		*'''Philosopher 2:''' ''No, they are as they are. Who are we to give form to the gods?''
	*'''Philosopher 1:''' ''Exactly my point! As he said, if oxen or horses or any beast could produce art as we do, they would form the gods in the image of themselves.''		*'''Philosopher 1:''' ''Exactly my point! As he said, if oxen or horses or any beast could produce art as we do, they would form the gods in the image of themselves.''
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	She joined in on their conversation.		She joined in on their conversation.
	*'''Philosopher 1:''' ''Do not students take what they learn from their teachers? What then if the teacher is wrong? Does that not simply perpetuate these wrong teachings among future generations?''		*'''Philosopher 1:''' ''Do not students take what they learn from their teachers? What then if the teacher is wrong? Does that not simply perpetuate these wrong teachings among future generations?''
	*'''Philosopher 2:''' ''You assume the students aren't wise enough to understand the flaws of the teacher. Think of those who came before us. First Thales, then his student Anaximandros, and then Anaximenes. Without the teachings of those before him, it's safe to say Anaximenes would not have reached the conclusions he did.''		*'''Philosopher 2:''' ''You assume the students aren't wise enough to understand the flaws of the teacher. Think of those who came before us. First [[Thales of Miletus\|Thales]], then his student [[Anaximandros]], and then [[Anaximenes of Miletus\|Anaximenes]]. Without the teachings of those before him, it's safe to say Anaximenes would not have reached the conclusions he did.''
	*'''Philosopher 1:''' ''I don't think that's true. Perhaps this new face can offer a different perspective.''		*'''Philosopher 1:''' ''I don't think that's true. Perhaps this new face can offer a different perspective.''