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imported>Sol Pacificus: /* Behind the scenes */

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Behind the scenes

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	*Admitting to working with Hekate weakens Kassandra's argument.		*Admitting to working with Hekate weakens Kassandra's argument.
	*Of the three options for the final argument against Hekate:		*Of the three options for the final argument against Hekate:
	**"Hekate wants to turn you against me" is the weakest argument. This option is automatically available even if the player leaves immediately despite the fact its argument is based on information Kassandra learns from waiting ~~at least once~~.		**"Hekate wants to turn you against me" is the weakest argument. This option is automatically available even if the player leaves immediately despite the fact its argument is based on information Kassandra learns from waiting one time.
	**"Hekate wants your throne" is the stronger argument. This option is automatically available even if the player leaves immediately despite the fact its argument is based on information Kassandra learns from waiting ~~once~~.		**"Hekate wants your throne" is the stronger argument. This option is automatically available even if the player leaves immediately despite the fact its argument is based on information Kassandra learns from waiting one time.
	**"Hekate is trying to help you" is the strongest argument, but it is only available if the player chooses "[Wait]" three times when eavesdropping on Hekate and Hermes, which also ensures that Kassandra gets caught. Reaching Persephone before Hekate gives more influence over Persephone than this argument. This option is not available if the player only chooses "[Wait]" two times before leaving despite the fact Kassandra directly quotes words from Hekate that she only needs to wait two times to hear.		**"Hekate is trying to help you" is the strongest argument, but it is only available if the player chooses "[Wait]" three times when eavesdropping on Hekate and Hermes, which also ensures that Kassandra gets caught. Reaching Persephone before Hekate gives more influence over Persephone than this argument. This option is not available if the player only chooses "[Wait]" two times before leaving despite the fact Kassandra directly quotes words from Hekate that she only needs to wait two times to hear.
	*Getting caught by waiting a third time or interrupting at any time will result in Hekate fleeing to reach Persephone first. This substantially harms Kassandra's argument but does not guarantee failure.		*Getting caught by waiting a third time or interrupting at any time will result in Hekate fleeing to reach Persephone first. This substantially harms Kassandra's argument but does not guarantee failure.

imported>Sol Pacificus: Additional notes for clarification. Kassandra's argument where she quotes Hekate is only available if you wait 3x even though she hears it from waiting only 2x. There's a mismatch b/w the arguments Kassandra can make and what she hears from eavesdropping. It seems like they didn't bother to write lines for Kassandra leaving immediately, so she will have automatically arguments from eavesdropping more.

2023-07-02T20:59:04Z

Additional notes for clarification. Kassandra's argument where she quotes Hekate is only available if you wait 3x even though she hears it from waiting only 2x. There's a mismatch b/w the arguments Kassandra can make and what she hears from eavesdropping. It seems like they didn't bother to write lines for Kassandra leaving immediately, so she will have automatically arguments from eavesdropping more.

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	*'''Hekate:''' ''Furthermore, a gathering of your most devoted followers was recently targeted.''		*'''Hekate:''' ''Furthermore, a gathering of your most devoted followers was recently targeted.''
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	\|-\|IF the devotees were poisoned=		\|-\|If the devotees were poisoned=
	*'''Persephone:''' ''Yes, all poisoned with [[aconite]], which you have quite the green thumb for.''		*'''Persephone:''' ''Yes, all poisoned with [[aconite]], which you have quite the green thumb for.''
	\|-\|If the devotees were not poisoned=		\|-\|If the devotees were not poisoned=
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	*Admitting to working with Hekate weakens Kassandra's argument.		*Admitting to working with Hekate weakens Kassandra's argument.
	*Of the three options for the final argument against Hekate:		*Of the three options for the final argument against Hekate:
	**"Hekate wants to turn you against me" is the weakest argument.		**"Hekate wants to turn you against me" is the weakest argument. This option is automatically available even if the player leaves immediately despite the fact its argument is based on information Kassandra learns from waiting at least once.
	**"Hekate wants your throne" is the stronger argument.		**"Hekate wants your throne" is the stronger argument. This option is automatically available even if the player leaves immediately despite the fact its argument is based on information Kassandra learns from waiting once.
	**"Hekate is trying to help you" is the strongest argument, but it is only available if the player chooses "[Wait]" three times when eavesdropping on Hekate and Hermes, which ~~would~~ also ~~ensure~~ that Kassandra gets caught. Reaching Persephone before Hekate gives more influence over Persephone than this argument.		**"Hekate is trying to help you" is the strongest argument, but it is only available if the player chooses "[Wait]" three times when eavesdropping on Hekate and Hermes, which also ensures that Kassandra gets caught. Reaching Persephone before Hekate gives more influence over Persephone than this argument. This option is not available if the player only chooses "[Wait]" two times before leaving despite the fact Kassandra directly quotes words from Hekate that she only needs to wait two times to hear.
	*Getting caught by waiting a third time or interrupting at any time will result in Hekate fleeing to reach Persephone first. This substantially harms Kassandra's argument but does not guarantee failure.		*Getting caught by waiting a third time or interrupting at any time will result in Hekate fleeing to reach Persephone first. This substantially harms Kassandra's argument but does not guarantee failure.

imported>Sol Pacificus: /* Dialogue */

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Dialogue

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	*'''Kassandra:''' ''Half of Elysium knows Hekate wants you out of power, Persephone. Why can't you see that?''		*'''Kassandra:''' ''Half of Elysium knows Hekate wants you out of power, Persephone. Why can't you see that?''
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	*'''Hekate:''' ''You can't believe these lies. A [[Isadore\|silver tongue]] joined ~~the~~ the delinquents operating in [[Deukalion's Heritage]] after this outsider helped her.''		*'''Hekate:''' ''You can't believe these lies. A [[Isadore\|silver tongue]] joined the delinquents operating in [[Deukalion's Heritage]] after this outsider helped her.''
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	Silver Tongue denounces Persephone=		Silver Tongue denounces Persephone=

imported>Sol Pacificus: /* Behind the scenes */

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Behind the scenes

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	**"Hekate wants your throne" is the stronger argument.		**"Hekate wants your throne" is the stronger argument.
	**"Hekate is trying to help you" is the strongest argument, but it is only available if the player chooses "[Wait]" three times when eavesdropping on Hekate and Hermes, which would also ensure that Kassandra gets caught. Reaching Persephone before Hekate gives more influence over Persephone than this argument.		**"Hekate is trying to help you" is the strongest argument, but it is only available if the player chooses "[Wait]" three times when eavesdropping on Hekate and Hermes, which would also ensure that Kassandra gets caught. Reaching Persephone before Hekate gives more influence over Persephone than this argument.
	*Getting caught by waiting a third time or interrupting at any time will result in Hekate fleeing to reach Persephone first. This substantially harms Kassandra's argument.		*Getting caught by waiting a third time or interrupting at any time will result in Hekate fleeing to reach Persephone first. This substantially harms Kassandra's argument but does not guarantee failure.

	==References==		==References==

imported>Sol Pacificus: Because in my playthrough, the scale was so close that a single wrong choice changes the result, I was able to test out a few more things. Telling the truth at any point hurts Kassandra's argument. / Waiting 2x then leaving does not actually unlock any more options than just leaving immediately. Only waiting 3x but getting caught does. / "Reference" is not properly used as a verb in this way. The correct word is "allude".

2023-07-01T07:49:56Z

Because in my playthrough, the scale was so close that a single wrong choice changes the result, I was able to test out a few more things. Telling the truth at any point hurts Kassandra's argument. / Waiting 2x then leaving does not actually unlock any more options than just leaving immediately. Only waiting 3x but getting caught does. / "Reference" is not properly used as a verb in this way. The correct word is "allude".

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	\|-\|Hekate wants to turn you against me.=		\|-\|Hekate wants to turn you against me.=
	*'''Kassandra:''' ''This is all part of her plan, but your instincts were right, Persephone. Hekate's the traitor.''		*'''Kassandra:''' ''This is all part of her plan, but your instincts were right, Persephone. Hekate's the traitor.''
			\|-\|Hekate is trying to help you.=
			*'''Kassandra:''' ''"Your quest for control is corrupting you." I heard her say that when you sent me to spy. That's why she's trying to undermine your reign.''
	\|-\|Hekate wants your throne.=		\|-\|Hekate wants your throne.=
	*'''Kassandra:''' ''Hekate has always been jealous of you. She wants your power over Elysium for herself.''		*'''Kassandra:''' ''Hekate has always been jealous of you. She wants your power over Elysium for herself.''
	~~\|-\|Hekate is trying to help you.=~~
	*'''Kassandra:''' ''"Your quest for control is corrupting you." I heard her say that when you sent me to spy. That's why she's trying to undermine your reign.''
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	*'''Hekate:''' ''You can't possibly take the word of an outsider over mine. Persephone?''		*'''Hekate:''' ''You can't possibly take the word of an outsider over mine. Persephone?''
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	==Behind the scenes==		==Behind the scenes==
	The name of the memory ~~references~~ the saying "{{Wiki\|No good deed goes unpunished}}". It may also be a reference to the {{Wiki\|No Good Deed (song)\|song}} in the Broadway musical ''{{Wiki\|Wicked (musical)\|Wicked}}'', as there are [[Sudden and New\|three]] [[Good News\|other]] [[Popular\|quests]] in the DLC that have a similar naming scheme, all of which are in Hekate's quest line.		The name of the memory is an allusion to the saying "{{Wiki\|No good deed goes unpunished}}". It may also be a reference to the {{Wiki\|No Good Deed (song)\|song}} in the Broadway musical ''{{Wiki\|Wicked (musical)\|Wicked}}'', as there are [[Sudden and New\|three]] [[Good News\|other]] [[Popular\|quests]] in the DLC that have a similar naming scheme, all of which are in Hekate's quest line.

	This quest references previous choices made in Hekate's quest line. Some decisions made will either help or hurt Kassandra's argument against Hekate:		This quest references previous choices made in Hekate's quest line. Some decisions made will either help or hurt Kassandra's argument against Hekate:
	*[[Good News]] – Instructing [[Isadore]] to sing Hekate's praises as an ally of the humans will be used against Hekate		*"[[Good News]]" – Instructing [[Isadore]] to sing Hekate's praises as an ally of the humans will be used against Hekate.
	*[[Have Another Drink]] – Destroying [[Lethe]]'s water during "[[Have Another Drink]]" helps Kassandra's argument		*"[[Have Another Drink]]" – Destroying [[Lethe]]'s water during "[[Have Another Drink]]" helps Kassandra's argument.
	*~~Breaking into the sanctuary during~~ "[[~~Sudden and New~~]]" ~~and poisoning~~ the ~~symposium~~ during "[[~~Popular~~]]" ~~are always brought up~~. ~~How they help or hurt is uncertain, but~~ Persephone ~~appears to blame both the break-in and the poisoning—or attempt thereof—on~~ Hekate~~, as she~~ is the only one with the key ~~and~~ the ~~green thumb~~ for ~~aconite, respectively~~.		*"[[Popular]]" – Poisoning the devotees hurt Kassandra's argument even though Persephone will point out that it is Hekate's ''modus operandi'' regardless.
	*~~Choosing~~ "Wait" ~~twice and then Leave~~ when eavesdropping on Hekate and Hermes ~~allows~~ Kassandra ~~to leave with all the information she needs while also reaching~~ Persephone before Hekate. ~~Waiting~~ a third time, or ~~Interrupting~~ at any time, will ~~allow~~ Hekate to ~~escape and~~ reach Persephone first~~, which will hurt~~ Kassandra's argument.
			In addition, the following arguments will either strengthen or weaken Kassandra's argument against Hekate:
			*Lying about breaking into the sanctuary during "[[Sudden and New]]" strengthens Kassandra's argument. Telling the truth weakens it even though Persephone will point out that Hekate is the only one with the key regardless.
			*Admitting to working with Hekate weakens Kassandra's argument.
			*Of the three options for the final argument against Hekate:
			**"Hekate wants to turn you against me" is the weakest argument.
			**"Hekate wants your throne" is the stronger argument.
			**"Hekate is trying to help you" is the strongest argument, but it is only available if the player chooses "[Wait]" three times when eavesdropping on Hekate and Hermes, which would also ensure that Kassandra gets caught. Reaching Persephone before Hekate gives more influence over Persephone than this argument.
			*Getting caught by waiting a third time or interrupting at any time will result in Hekate fleeing to reach Persephone first. This substantially harms Kassandra's argument.

	==References==		==References==

imported>Fielran: updated imageneed template

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imported>Soranin at 18:18, 1 August 2022

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	*'''Kassandra:''' ''I need to get to Persephone first no matter what.''		*'''Kassandra:''' ''I need to get to Persephone first no matter what.''
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	With her business in Iphigenia's Compound dealt with, Kassandra hurried back to [[~~Pheraphassa~~ Point]].		With her business in Iphigenia's Compound dealt with, Kassandra hurried back to [[Pherephassa Point]].
	*'''Kassandra:''' ''So Ros' collar is the key to opening the gate to the underworld. Now to find a way to get it.''		*'''Kassandra:''' ''So Ros' collar is the key to opening the gate to the underworld. Now to find a way to get it.''
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imported>Darman36 at 15:33, 20 July 2021

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	'''No Good Deed''' was a virtual representation of one of [[Kassandra]]'s [[Genetic memory\|genetic memories]], relived by [[Layla Hassan]] in 2018 through the [[Animus\|Portable Animus HR-8.5]].		'''No Good Deed''' was a virtual representation of one of [[Kassandra]]'s [[Genetic memory\|genetic memories]], relived by [[Layla Hassan]] in 2018 through the [[Animus\|Portable Animus HR-8.5]].

	==~~Dialogue~~==		==Description==
	After the symposium took an unexpected turn, [[Kassandra]] returned to [[Hekate]] seeking answers.		After the symposium took an unexpected turn, [[Kassandra]] returned to [[Hekate]] seeking answers.

	==~~Description~~==		==Dialogue==
	Kassandra reached Hekate's hovel at the [[Sunken Temple of Pheraia]]. Hekate was not there, but she found [[Persephone]] sitting in Hekate's throne.		Kassandra reached Hekate's hovel at the [[Sunken Temple of Pheraia]]. Hekate was not there, but she found [[Persephone]] sitting in Hekate's throne.
	*'''Kassandra:''' ''No sign of Hekate. But what's Persephone doing here?''		*'''Kassandra:''' ''No sign of Hekate. But what's Persephone doing here?''

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Description

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	\|-\|Kassandra reached Persephone first=		\|-\|Kassandra reached Persephone first=
	Kassandra's timely exit allowed her to reach Persephone first.		Kassandra's timely exit allowed her to reach Persephone first. Kassandra quickly glanced about the room as Persephone paced about it in circles, but saw no sign of Hekate. On hearing Kassandra's footsteps, the goddess was roused from her thoughts.
	*'''Persephone:''' ''So? What did you find out?''		*'''Persephone:''' ''So? What did you find out?''
	*'''Kassandra:''' ''Hekate's been working behind your back.''		*'''Kassandra:''' ''Hekate's been working behind your back.''