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Soranin at 16:15, 9 May 2026

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	==Attribution policy proposal==		==Attribution policy proposal==
	Now, a lot of this is going to be similar to the [[starwars:wookieepedia:attribution\|attribution policy]] that can be found on Wookieepedia, a site I formerly contributed to and an excellent example of a strong sourcing policy, so credit sent where credits due. Now, onto the policy.		Now, a lot of this is going to be similar to the [starwars:wookieepedia:attribution\|attribution policy]] that can be found on Wookieepedia, a site I formerly contributed to and an excellent example of a strong sourcing policy, so credit sent where credits due. Now, onto the policy.

	''Point number one: The AC wiki does not publish original thought.''<br>Original thought refers to material that is not attributable to a reliable, published source. This includes unpublished facts, arguments, ideas, statements, and personal opinion; any unpublished analysis or synthesis of published material. All information on an article must be attributed to a reliable source <small>(see Point 2)</small>.		''Point number one: The AC wiki does not publish original thought.''<br>Original thought refers to material that is not attributable to a reliable, published source. This includes unpublished facts, arguments, ideas, statements, and personal opinion; any unpublished analysis or synthesis of published material. All information on an article must be attributed to a reliable source <small>(see Point 2)</small>.

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	''Point number three: Canonicity.''<br>Even though there is a limited amount of material covering the ''Assassin's Creed series'', as mention in Point 2, the possibility of conflicting information is present. As such, the following assumptions should be made before information is entered into the article;		''Point number three: Canonicity.''<br>Even though there is a limited amount of material covering the ''Assassin's Creed series'', as mention in Point 2, the possibility of conflicting information is present. As such, the following assumptions should be made before information is entered into the article;
	#The videogames ''[[Assassin's Creed]]'' and ''[[Assassin's Creed II]]'' are the highest tier of canon. If any information given in another videogame or medium explicitly contradicts that given in these two games, it is considered non-canon. For example, if ''[[Assassin's Creed: Renaissance]]'' says it took an individual tree days to travel from Venice to Florence, whilst ''Assassin's Creed II'' clearly indicates it only took two, the article will cite the game over the novella.		#The videogames ''[[Assassin's Creed]]'' and ''[[Assassin's Creed II]]'' are the highest tier of canon. If any information given in another videogame or medium explicitly contradicts that given in these two games, it is considered non-canon. For example, if ''[[Assassin's Creed: Renaissance]]'' says it took an individual tree days to travel from Venice to Florence, whilst ''Assassin's Creed II'' clearly indicates it only took two, the article will cite the game over the novella.
	#The canonicity of the mediums is tiered; the highest tier being the aforementioned game. The second highest is the videogames ''[[Assassin's Creed: Altaïr's Chronicles\|Altaïr's Chronicles]]'', ''[[Assassin's Creed: Bloodlines\|Bloodlines]]'' and ''[[Assassin's Creed II: Discovery\|Discovery]]''. The third, the ''[[Assassin's Creed: Lineage]]'' short-film and ''Assassin's Creed: Renaissance'' novella. And finally the fourth, the ''[[Assassin's Creed Graphic Novel]]''.		#The canonicity of the mediums is tiered; the highest tier being the aforementioned game. The second highest is the videogames ''[[Assassin's Creed: Altaïr's Chronicles\|Altaïr's Chronicles]]'', ''[[Assassin's Creed: Bloodlines\|Bloodlines]]'' and ''[[Assassin's Creed II: Discovery\|Discovery]]''. The third, the ''[[Assassin's Creed: Lineage]]'' short-film and ''Assassin's Creed: Renaissance'' novella. And finally the fourth, the ''[[Assassin's Creed (Les Deux Royaumes comics)\|Assassin's Creed Graphic Novel]]''.

	''Point number four: Quotations.''<br>Quotations '''must''' be sourced.		''Point number four: Quotations.''<br>Quotations '''must''' be sourced.

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			'''FORUM CLOSED: Consensus reached to source all articles.'''



	This wiki is coming along, however, there is an awful lot of speculative (to put it kindly) information on the site that I personally feel has no purpose existing on site. I made a point a while back of removing any mention of Vidic, Al Mualim and Borgia being related based on a users belief that they "looked similar" and this was supported. Unfortunately, I have recently spotted new and equally made-up fanon creeping into the articles of this site. Examples include;		This wiki is coming along, however, there is an awful lot of speculative (to put it kindly) information on the site that I personally feel has no purpose existing on site. I made a point a while back of removing any mention of Vidic, Al Mualim and Borgia being related based on a users belief that they "looked similar" and this was supported. Unfortunately, I have recently spotted new and equally made-up fanon creeping into the articles of this site. Examples include;

imported>Jasca Ducato: /* Comments */

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	:@SilverSummoner: Yeah, we didn't have refs in FFWiki because we left out all other media besides the games themselves (save for Advent Children and the FF7 Saga...) and because there are a LOT of Mods and Admins in there who would gladly revert inaccurate and stupid edits.		:@SilverSummoner: Yeah, we didn't have refs in FFWiki because we left out all other media besides the games themselves (save for Advent Children and the FF7 Saga...) and because there are a LOT of Mods and Admins in there who would gladly revert inaccurate and stupid edits.
	--''[[User:Silver Mage\|<span style="color:silver;">Silver</span>]] [[User talk:Silver Mage\|<span style="color:royalblue;">Mage</span>]]'' [[User:Silver Mage/Lab\|<span style="color:gray;">Ω</span>]] 09:17, February 23, 2010 (UTC)		--''[[User:Silver Mage\|<span style="color:silver;">Silver</span>]] [[User talk:Silver Mage\|<span style="color:royalblue;">Mage</span>]]'' [[User:Silver Mage/Lab\|<span style="color:gray;">Ω</span>]] 09:17, February 23, 2010 (UTC)



	~~Woud i be intruding if i voted?[[User:Spoonodeath\|Spoonodeath]] 12:37, February 26, 2010 (UTC)~~



	:@SilverMage: edit and revert is just a matter of clicking things. Even normal users can revert vandals if they want. though I agree that ffwiki have far more lot of admin and mods that makes the job easier.. - [[User:SilverSummoner\|<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS"><font color="skyblue">'''Silver'''</font><font color="dodgerblue">'''Summoner'''</font></span>]][[User talk:SilverSummoner\|<sup><font color="royalblue">''TaLk''</font></sup>]] 10:17, February 23, 2010 (UTC)		:@SilverMage: edit and revert is just a matter of clicking things. Even normal users can revert vandals if they want. though I agree that ffwiki have far more lot of admin and mods that makes the job easier.. - [[User:SilverSummoner\|<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS"><font color="skyblue">'''Silver'''</font><font color="dodgerblue">'''Summoner'''</font></span>]][[User talk:SilverSummoner\|<sup><font color="royalblue">''TaLk''</font></sup>]] 10:17, February 23, 2010 (UTC)
	::Silver Mage, i take it users on your wikis helped you to learn how to reference properly? It would be the same here, i'd see it as the responsibilty of more experienced users to help out newbies, and show them how to reference their material. It may be seen as a srestriction at first, but as you did, they get use to it. <span style="color:#BF404D">'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <sub>[[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|Council Chamber]]</sub> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato\|Assassination record]]</sup></span> 12:25, February 23, 2010 (UTC)		::Silver Mage, i take it users on your wikis helped you to learn how to reference properly? It would be the same here, i'd see it as the responsibilty of more experienced users to help out newbies, and show them how to reference their material. It may be seen as a srestriction at first, but as you did, they get use to it. <span style="color:#BF404D">'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <sub>[[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|Council Chamber]]</sub> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato\|Assassination record]]</sup></span> 12:25, February 23, 2010 (UTC)
			:::Woud i be intruding if i voted?[[User:Spoonodeath\|Spoonodeath]] 12:37, February 26, 2010 (UTC)
			::::No, it's a vote. Just do it in the sections above, not here. <span style="color:#BF404D">'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <sub>[[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|Council Chamber]]</sub> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato\|Assassination record]]</sup></span> 13:42, February 26, 2010 (UTC)

imported>Spoonodeath: /* Comments */

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	:::Can't we just like... revert the edit should they made another speculation? Cause citations will make us look like wikipedia. <small>and a bit troublesome, IMO.</small> - [[User:SilverSummoner\|<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS"><font color="skyblue">'''Silver'''</font><font color="dodgerblue">'''Summoner'''</font></span>]][[User talk:SilverSummoner\|<sup><font color="royalblue">''TaLk''</font></sup>]] 16:47, February 22, 2010 (UTC)		:::Can't we just like... revert the edit should they made another speculation? Cause citations will make us look like wikipedia. <small>and a bit troublesome, IMO.</small> - [[User:SilverSummoner\|<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS"><font color="skyblue">'''Silver'''</font><font color="dodgerblue">'''Summoner'''</font></span>]][[User talk:SilverSummoner\|<sup><font color="royalblue">''TaLk''</font></sup>]] 16:47, February 22, 2010 (UTC)
	::::We could, and then we have them add another load of rubbish to another article. I'd rather nip stuff like this in the bud before it starts personally. What does looking like wikipedia have to do with anything? Citing sources shows that we care about the wiki and the source of our information, unless you want to give of the impression that this site is cobbled together by a bunch of thirteen year olds who aren't even old enough to legally play the games. Also, it's not only the games we have to worry about, we have both Lineage and Renaissance to consider as well. Finally, I've about 90% sourced the article [[Assassins]] to show what a fully sourced article will look like. <span style="color:#BF404D">'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato]]''''' <sub>[[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|Council Chamber]]</sub> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato\|Assassination record]]</sup></span> 17:14, February 22, 2010 (UTC)		::::We could, and then we have them add another load of rubbish to another article. I'd rather nip stuff like this in the bud before it starts personally. What does looking like wikipedia have to do with anything? Citing sources shows that we care about the wiki and the source of our information, unless you want to give of the impression that this site is cobbled together by a bunch of thirteen year olds who aren't even old enough to legally play the games. Also, it's not only the games we have to worry about, we have both Lineage and Renaissance to consider as well. Finally, I've about 90% sourced the article [[Assassins]] to show what a fully sourced article will look like. <span style="color:#BF404D">'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato]]''''' <sub>[[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|Council Chamber]]</sub> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato\|Assassination record]]</sup></span> 17:14, February 22, 2010 (UTC)
	And we already look like Wikipedia. We're a Wiki, it's the same code, lol. [[User:AgentValentine\|AgentValentine]] 17:44, February 22, 2010 (UTC)		And we already look like Wikipedia. We're a Wiki, it's the same code, lol. [[User:AgentValentine\|AgentValentine]] 17:44, February 22, 2010 (UTC)
	:::::I thought that's why blocking system and protected pages are created? and the sources are clear: the game, the lineage movie and perhaps the official game guides. So we should remind the user that the source is AC or AC2 or whatever like every 3 sentences? not efficient, if I might say. Nevertheless, if the majority agree with this, go ahead. But I might as well say that I disagree... kind of. - [[User:SilverSummoner\|<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS"><font color="skyblue">'''Silver'''</font><font color="dodgerblue">'''Summoner'''</font></span>]][[User talk:SilverSummoner\|<sup><font color="royalblue">''TaLk''</font></sup>]] 18:08, February 22, 2010 (UTC)		:::::I thought that's why blocking system and protected pages are created? and the sources are clear: the game, the lineage movie and perhaps the official game guides. So we should remind the user that the source is AC or AC2 or whatever like every 3 sentences? not efficient, if I might say. Nevertheless, if the majority agree with this, go ahead. But I might as well say that I disagree... kind of. - [[User:SilverSummoner\|<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS"><font color="skyblue">'''Silver'''</font><font color="dodgerblue">'''Summoner'''</font></span>]][[User talk:SilverSummoner\|<sup><font color="royalblue">''TaLk''</font></sup>]] 18:08, February 22, 2010 (UTC)
	::::::No, blocking systems and protected pages were designed to counter vandalism, not improve the reputation and efficiency of a wiki. Besides, only admins+ can protect pages and block users, whereas all users can source a sentance. I wouldn't say the sources are clear, I'm sure there are plenty of people who haven't heard about the DSi and iPhone games who might wonder where such information came from in Altair's article, sourcing provides them the answer. <span style="color:#BF404D">'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <sub>[[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|Council Chamber]]</sub> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato\|Assassination record]]</sup></span> 18:15, February 22, 2010 (UTC)		::::::No, blocking systems and protected pages were designed to counter vandalism, not improve the reputation and efficiency of a wiki. Besides, only admins+ can protect pages and block users, whereas all users can source a sentance. I wouldn't say the sources are clear, I'm sure there are plenty of people who haven't heard about the DSi and iPhone games who might wonder where such information came from in Altair's article, sourcing provides them the answer. <span style="color:#BF404D">'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <sub>[[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|Council Chamber]]</sub> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato\|Assassination record]]</sup></span> 18:15, February 22, 2010 (UTC)
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	:@SilverSummoner: Yeah, we didn't have refs in FFWiki because we left out all other media besides the games themselves (save for Advent Children and the FF7 Saga...) and because there are a LOT of Mods and Admins in there who would gladly revert inaccurate and stupid edits.		:@SilverSummoner: Yeah, we didn't have refs in FFWiki because we left out all other media besides the games themselves (save for Advent Children and the FF7 Saga...) and because there are a LOT of Mods and Admins in there who would gladly revert inaccurate and stupid edits.
	--''[[User:Silver Mage\|<span style="color:silver;">Silver</span>]] [[User talk:Silver Mage\|<span style="color:royalblue;">Mage</span>]]'' [[User:Silver Mage/Lab\|<span style="color:gray;">Ω</span>]] 09:17, February 23, 2010 (UTC)		--''[[User:Silver Mage\|<span style="color:silver;">Silver</span>]] [[User talk:Silver Mage\|<span style="color:royalblue;">Mage</span>]]'' [[User:Silver Mage/Lab\|<span style="color:gray;">Ω</span>]] 09:17, February 23, 2010 (UTC)
	::@SilverMage: edit and revert is just a matter of clicking things. Even normal users can revert vandals if they want. though I agree that ffwiki have far more lot of admin and mods that makes the job easier.. - [[User:SilverSummoner\|<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS"><font color="skyblue">'''Silver'''</font><font color="dodgerblue">'''Summoner'''</font></span>]][[User talk:SilverSummoner\|<sup><font color="royalblue">''TaLk''</font></sup>]] 10:17, February 23, 2010 (UTC)
	:::Silver Mage, i take it users on your wikis helped you to learn how to reference properly? It would be the same here, i'd see it as the responsibilty of more experienced users to help out newbies, and show them how to reference their material. It may be seen as a srestriction at first, but as you did, they get use to it. <span style="color:#BF404D">'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <sub>[[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|Council Chamber]]</sub> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato\|Assassination record]]</sup></span> 12:25, February 23, 2010 (UTC)

			Woud i be intruding if i voted?[[User:Spoonodeath\|Spoonodeath]] 12:37, February 26, 2010 (UTC)



			:@SilverMage: edit and revert is just a matter of clicking things. Even normal users can revert vandals if they want. though I agree that ffwiki have far more lot of admin and mods that makes the job easier.. - [[User:SilverSummoner\|<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS"><font color="skyblue">'''Silver'''</font><font color="dodgerblue">'''Summoner'''</font></span>]][[User talk:SilverSummoner\|<sup><font color="royalblue">''TaLk''</font></sup>]] 10:17, February 23, 2010 (UTC)
			::Silver Mage, i take it users on your wikis helped you to learn how to reference properly? It would be the same here, i'd see it as the responsibilty of more experienced users to help out newbies, and show them how to reference their material. It may be seen as a srestriction at first, but as you did, they get use to it. <span style="color:#BF404D">'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <sub>[[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|Council Chamber]]</sub> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato\|Assassination record]]</sup></span> 12:25, February 23, 2010 (UTC)

imported>Jasca Ducato: /* Comments */

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	--''[[User:Silver Mage\|<span style="color:silver;">Silver</span>]] [[User talk:Silver Mage\|<span style="color:royalblue;">Mage</span>]]'' [[User:Silver Mage/Lab\|<span style="color:gray;">Ω</span>]] 09:17, February 23, 2010 (UTC)		--''[[User:Silver Mage\|<span style="color:silver;">Silver</span>]] [[User talk:Silver Mage\|<span style="color:royalblue;">Mage</span>]]'' [[User:Silver Mage/Lab\|<span style="color:gray;">Ω</span>]] 09:17, February 23, 2010 (UTC)
	::@SilverMage: edit and revert is just a matter of clicking things. Even normal users can revert vandals if they want. though I agree that ffwiki have far more lot of admin and mods that makes the job easier.. - [[User:SilverSummoner\|<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS"><font color="skyblue">'''Silver'''</font><font color="dodgerblue">'''Summoner'''</font></span>]][[User talk:SilverSummoner\|<sup><font color="royalblue">''TaLk''</font></sup>]] 10:17, February 23, 2010 (UTC)		::@SilverMage: edit and revert is just a matter of clicking things. Even normal users can revert vandals if they want. though I agree that ffwiki have far more lot of admin and mods that makes the job easier.. - [[User:SilverSummoner\|<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS"><font color="skyblue">'''Silver'''</font><font color="dodgerblue">'''Summoner'''</font></span>]][[User talk:SilverSummoner\|<sup><font color="royalblue">''TaLk''</font></sup>]] 10:17, February 23, 2010 (UTC)
			:::Silver Mage, i take it users on your wikis helped you to learn how to reference properly? It would be the same here, i'd see it as the responsibilty of more experienced users to help out newbies, and show them how to reference their material. It may be seen as a srestriction at first, but as you did, they get use to it. <span style="color:#BF404D">'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <sub>[[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|Council Chamber]]</sub> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato\|Assassination record]]</sup></span> 12:25, February 23, 2010 (UTC)

imported>SilverSummoner: /* Comments */

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	:@SilverSummoner: Yeah, we didn't have refs in FFWiki because we left out all other media besides the games themselves (save for Advent Children and the FF7 Saga...) and because there are a LOT of Mods and Admins in there who would gladly revert inaccurate and stupid edits.		:@SilverSummoner: Yeah, we didn't have refs in FFWiki because we left out all other media besides the games themselves (save for Advent Children and the FF7 Saga...) and because there are a LOT of Mods and Admins in there who would gladly revert inaccurate and stupid edits.
	--''[[User:Silver Mage\|<span style="color:silver;">Silver</span>]] [[User talk:Silver Mage\|<span style="color:royalblue;">Mage</span>]]'' [[User:Silver Mage/Lab\|<span style="color:gray;">Ω</span>]] 09:17, February 23, 2010 (UTC)		--''[[User:Silver Mage\|<span style="color:silver;">Silver</span>]] [[User talk:Silver Mage\|<span style="color:royalblue;">Mage</span>]]'' [[User:Silver Mage/Lab\|<span style="color:gray;">Ω</span>]] 09:17, February 23, 2010 (UTC)
			::@SilverMage: edit and revert is just a matter of clicking things. Even normal users can revert vandals if they want. though I agree that ffwiki have far more lot of admin and mods that makes the job easier.. - [[User:SilverSummoner\|<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS"><font color="skyblue">'''Silver'''</font><font color="dodgerblue">'''Summoner'''</font></span>]][[User talk:SilverSummoner\|<sup><font color="royalblue">''TaLk''</font></sup>]] 10:17, February 23, 2010 (UTC)

imported>Silver Mage: /* Vote upon proposal */

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	:::::I thought that's why blocking system and protected pages are created? and the sources are clear: the game, the lineage movie and perhaps the official game guides. So we should remind the user that the source is AC or AC2 or whatever like every 3 sentences? not efficient, if I might say. Nevertheless, if the majority agree with this, go ahead. But I might as well say that I disagree... kind of. - [[User:SilverSummoner\|<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS"><font color="skyblue">'''Silver'''</font><font color="dodgerblue">'''Summoner'''</font></span>]][[User talk:SilverSummoner\|<sup><font color="royalblue">''TaLk''</font></sup>]] 18:08, February 22, 2010 (UTC)		:::::I thought that's why blocking system and protected pages are created? and the sources are clear: the game, the lineage movie and perhaps the official game guides. So we should remind the user that the source is AC or AC2 or whatever like every 3 sentences? not efficient, if I might say. Nevertheless, if the majority agree with this, go ahead. But I might as well say that I disagree... kind of. - [[User:SilverSummoner\|<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS"><font color="skyblue">'''Silver'''</font><font color="dodgerblue">'''Summoner'''</font></span>]][[User talk:SilverSummoner\|<sup><font color="royalblue">''TaLk''</font></sup>]] 18:08, February 22, 2010 (UTC)
	::::::No, blocking systems and protected pages were designed to counter vandalism, not improve the reputation and efficiency of a wiki. Besides, only admins+ can protect pages and block users, whereas all users can source a sentance. I wouldn't say the sources are clear, I'm sure there are plenty of people who haven't heard about the DSi and iPhone games who might wonder where such information came from in Altair's article, sourcing provides them the answer. <span style="color:#BF404D">'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <sub>[[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|Council Chamber]]</sub> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato\|Assassination record]]</sup></span> 18:15, February 22, 2010 (UTC)		::::::No, blocking systems and protected pages were designed to counter vandalism, not improve the reputation and efficiency of a wiki. Besides, only admins+ can protect pages and block users, whereas all users can source a sentance. I wouldn't say the sources are clear, I'm sure there are plenty of people who haven't heard about the DSi and iPhone games who might wonder where such information came from in Altair's article, sourcing provides them the answer. <span style="color:#BF404D">'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <sub>[[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|Council Chamber]]</sub> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato\|Assassination record]]</sup></span> 18:15, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

			Leaning towards "Yay" because I'm used to this (except multiple referencing names) and because it would make a lot of sense to make this move. This, however, '''will''' clutter up the page source, a thing that I am mostly against, as it makes editing less seamless and more chaotic.
			:@Jasca: To counter, how are you definite that the normal editors will actually source their articles? When I was new to this wiki-thing, I just added stuff that I didn't even bother to reference even though it is true. It's more of a "what if the editors don't know how to use references" just like I did? It kinda became a restriction for me as an editor, but I eventually got used to it.
			:@SilverSummoner: Yeah, we didn't have refs in FFWiki because we left out all other media besides the games themselves (save for Advent Children and the FF7 Saga...) and because there are a LOT of Mods and Admins in there who would gladly revert inaccurate and stupid edits.
			--''[[User:Silver Mage\|<span style="color:silver;">Silver</span>]] [[User talk:Silver Mage\|<span style="color:royalblue;">Mage</span>]]'' [[User:Silver Mage/Lab\|<span style="color:gray;">Ω</span>]] 09:17, February 23, 2010 (UTC)

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	This wiki is coming along, however, there is an awful lot of speculative (to put it kindly) information on the site that I personally feel has no purpose existing on site. I made a point a while back of removing any mention of Vidic, Al Mualim and Borgia being related based on a users belief that they "looked similar" and this was supported. Unfortunately, I have recently spotted new and equally made-up fanon creeping into the articles of this site. Examples include;		This wiki is coming along, however, there is an awful lot of speculative (to put it kindly) information on the site that I personally feel has no purpose existing on site. I made a point a while back of removing any mention of Vidic, Al Mualim and Borgia being related based on a users belief that they "looked similar" and this was supported. Unfortunately, I have recently spotted new and equally made-up fanon creeping into the articles of this site. Examples include;
	*''"Al Mualim is likely based upon a real life figure named Rashid ad-Din Sinan, a.k.a. The Old Man of the Mountain, who led the Syrian Assassins and died within Assassin's Creed's timeline. However, this is unconfirmed."'' <small>[[Al Mualim#Trivia\|[src]]]</small>		*''"Al Mualim is likely based upon a real life figure named Rashid ad-Din Sinan, a.k.a. The Old Man of the Mountain, who led the Syrian Assassins and died within Assassin's Creed's timeline. However, this is unconfirmed."'' <small>[[Al Mualim#Trivia\|[src]]]</small>
	*"At the end of his life, Giovanni seems to have also been a stronger sword fighter than Ezio. Ezio fought with Rodrigo Borgia several times over the years; but Giovanni was such a fearsome adversary that Rodrigo fled from his first confrontation with him, after nearly getting his throat cut, and never engaged him in direct combat again. Giovanni also seems to have been more agile in combat, being able to perform various kinds of flips as opposed to simply dodging." <small>[[Giovanni Auditore da Firenze#Trivia\|[src]]]</small>		*''"At the end of his life, Giovanni seems to have also been a stronger sword fighter than Ezio. Ezio fought with Rodrigo Borgia several times over the years; but Giovanni was such a fearsome adversary that Rodrigo fled from his first confrontation with him, after nearly getting his throat cut, and never engaged him in direct combat again. Giovanni also seems to have been more agile in combat, being able to perform various kinds of flips as opposed to simply dodging."'' <small>[[Giovanni Auditore da Firenze#Trivia\|[src]]]</small>
	*[[Alan Rikkin]]'s article shows the face of one of the Abstergo bosses, and presents him as a possible representation of Rikkin.		*[[Alan Rikkin]]'s article shows the face of one of the Abstergo bosses, and presents him as a possible representation of Rikkin.

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	:@SilverSummoner: Yeah, we didn't have refs in FFWiki because we left out all other media besides the games themselves (save for Advent Children and the FF7 Saga...) and because there are a LOT of Mods and Admins in there who would gladly revert inaccurate and stupid edits.		:@SilverSummoner: Yeah, we didn't have refs in FFWiki because we left out all other media besides the games themselves (save for Advent Children and the FF7 Saga...) and because there are a LOT of Mods and Admins in there who would gladly revert inaccurate and stupid edits.
	--''[[User:Silver Mage\|<span style="color:silver;">Silver</span>]] [[User talk:Silver Mage\|<span style="color:royalblue;">Mage</span>]]'' [[User:Silver Mage/Lab\|<span style="color:gray;">Ω</span>]] 09:17, February 23, 2010 (UTC)		--''[[User:Silver Mage\|<span style="color:silver;">Silver</span>]] [[User talk:Silver Mage\|<span style="color:royalblue;">Mage</span>]]'' [[User:Silver Mage/Lab\|<span style="color:gray;">Ω</span>]] 09:17, February 23, 2010 (UTC)



	~~Woud i be intruding if i voted?[[User:Spoonodeath\|Spoonodeath]] 12:37, February 26, 2010 (UTC)~~



	:@SilverMage: edit and revert is just a matter of clicking things. Even normal users can revert vandals if they want. though I agree that ffwiki have far more lot of admin and mods that makes the job easier.. - [[User:SilverSummoner\|<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS"><font color="skyblue">'''Silver'''</font><font color="dodgerblue">'''Summoner'''</font></span>]][[User talk:SilverSummoner\|<sup><font color="royalblue">''TaLk''</font></sup>]] 10:17, February 23, 2010 (UTC)		:@SilverMage: edit and revert is just a matter of clicking things. Even normal users can revert vandals if they want. though I agree that ffwiki have far more lot of admin and mods that makes the job easier.. - [[User:SilverSummoner\|<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS"><font color="skyblue">'''Silver'''</font><font color="dodgerblue">'''Summoner'''</font></span>]][[User talk:SilverSummoner\|<sup><font color="royalblue">''TaLk''</font></sup>]] 10:17, February 23, 2010 (UTC)
	::Silver Mage, i take it users on your wikis helped you to learn how to reference properly? It would be the same here, i'd see it as the responsibilty of more experienced users to help out newbies, and show them how to reference their material. It may be seen as a srestriction at first, but as you did, they get use to it. <span style="color:#BF404D">'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <sub>[[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|Council Chamber]]</sub> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato\|Assassination record]]</sup></span> 12:25, February 23, 2010 (UTC)		::Silver Mage, i take it users on your wikis helped you to learn how to reference properly? It would be the same here, i'd see it as the responsibilty of more experienced users to help out newbies, and show them how to reference their material. It may be seen as a srestriction at first, but as you did, they get use to it. <span style="color:#BF404D">'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <sub>[[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|Council Chamber]]</sub> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato\|Assassination record]]</sup></span> 12:25, February 23, 2010 (UTC)
			:::Woud i be intruding if i voted?[[User:Spoonodeath\|Spoonodeath]] 12:37, February 26, 2010 (UTC)
			::::No, it's a vote. Just do it in the sections above, not here. <span style="color:#BF404D">'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <sub>[[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|Council Chamber]]</sub> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato\|Assassination record]]</sup></span> 13:42, February 26, 2010 (UTC)

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	:::Can't we just like... revert the edit should they made another speculation? Cause citations will make us look like wikipedia. <small>and a bit troublesome, IMO.</small> - [[User:SilverSummoner\|<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS"><font color="skyblue">'''Silver'''</font><font color="dodgerblue">'''Summoner'''</font></span>]][[User talk:SilverSummoner\|<sup><font color="royalblue">''TaLk''</font></sup>]] 16:47, February 22, 2010 (UTC)		:::Can't we just like... revert the edit should they made another speculation? Cause citations will make us look like wikipedia. <small>and a bit troublesome, IMO.</small> - [[User:SilverSummoner\|<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS"><font color="skyblue">'''Silver'''</font><font color="dodgerblue">'''Summoner'''</font></span>]][[User talk:SilverSummoner\|<sup><font color="royalblue">''TaLk''</font></sup>]] 16:47, February 22, 2010 (UTC)
	::::We could, and then we have them add another load of rubbish to another article. I'd rather nip stuff like this in the bud before it starts personally. What does looking like wikipedia have to do with anything? Citing sources shows that we care about the wiki and the source of our information, unless you want to give of the impression that this site is cobbled together by a bunch of thirteen year olds who aren't even old enough to legally play the games. Also, it's not only the games we have to worry about, we have both Lineage and Renaissance to consider as well. Finally, I've about 90% sourced the article [[Assassins]] to show what a fully sourced article will look like. <span style="color:#BF404D">'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato]]''''' <sub>[[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|Council Chamber]]</sub> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato\|Assassination record]]</sup></span> 17:14, February 22, 2010 (UTC)		::::We could, and then we have them add another load of rubbish to another article. I'd rather nip stuff like this in the bud before it starts personally. What does looking like wikipedia have to do with anything? Citing sources shows that we care about the wiki and the source of our information, unless you want to give of the impression that this site is cobbled together by a bunch of thirteen year olds who aren't even old enough to legally play the games. Also, it's not only the games we have to worry about, we have both Lineage and Renaissance to consider as well. Finally, I've about 90% sourced the article [[Assassins]] to show what a fully sourced article will look like. <span style="color:#BF404D">'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato]]''''' <sub>[[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|Council Chamber]]</sub> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato\|Assassination record]]</sup></span> 17:14, February 22, 2010 (UTC)
	And we already look like Wikipedia. We're a Wiki, it's the same code, lol. [[User:AgentValentine\|AgentValentine]] 17:44, February 22, 2010 (UTC)		And we already look like Wikipedia. We're a Wiki, it's the same code, lol. [[User:AgentValentine\|AgentValentine]] 17:44, February 22, 2010 (UTC)
	:::::I thought that's why blocking system and protected pages are created? and the sources are clear: the game, the lineage movie and perhaps the official game guides. So we should remind the user that the source is AC or AC2 or whatever like every 3 sentences? not efficient, if I might say. Nevertheless, if the majority agree with this, go ahead. But I might as well say that I disagree... kind of. - [[User:SilverSummoner\|<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS"><font color="skyblue">'''Silver'''</font><font color="dodgerblue">'''Summoner'''</font></span>]][[User talk:SilverSummoner\|<sup><font color="royalblue">''TaLk''</font></sup>]] 18:08, February 22, 2010 (UTC)		:::::I thought that's why blocking system and protected pages are created? and the sources are clear: the game, the lineage movie and perhaps the official game guides. So we should remind the user that the source is AC or AC2 or whatever like every 3 sentences? not efficient, if I might say. Nevertheless, if the majority agree with this, go ahead. But I might as well say that I disagree... kind of. - [[User:SilverSummoner\|<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS"><font color="skyblue">'''Silver'''</font><font color="dodgerblue">'''Summoner'''</font></span>]][[User talk:SilverSummoner\|<sup><font color="royalblue">''TaLk''</font></sup>]] 18:08, February 22, 2010 (UTC)
	::::::No, blocking systems and protected pages were designed to counter vandalism, not improve the reputation and efficiency of a wiki. Besides, only admins+ can protect pages and block users, whereas all users can source a sentance. I wouldn't say the sources are clear, I'm sure there are plenty of people who haven't heard about the DSi and iPhone games who might wonder where such information came from in Altair's article, sourcing provides them the answer. <span style="color:#BF404D">'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <sub>[[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|Council Chamber]]</sub> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato\|Assassination record]]</sup></span> 18:15, February 22, 2010 (UTC)		::::::No, blocking systems and protected pages were designed to counter vandalism, not improve the reputation and efficiency of a wiki. Besides, only admins+ can protect pages and block users, whereas all users can source a sentance. I wouldn't say the sources are clear, I'm sure there are plenty of people who haven't heard about the DSi and iPhone games who might wonder where such information came from in Altair's article, sourcing provides them the answer. <span style="color:#BF404D">'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <sub>[[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|Council Chamber]]</sub> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato\|Assassination record]]</sup></span> 18:15, February 22, 2010 (UTC)
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	:@SilverSummoner: Yeah, we didn't have refs in FFWiki because we left out all other media besides the games themselves (save for Advent Children and the FF7 Saga...) and because there are a LOT of Mods and Admins in there who would gladly revert inaccurate and stupid edits.		:@SilverSummoner: Yeah, we didn't have refs in FFWiki because we left out all other media besides the games themselves (save for Advent Children and the FF7 Saga...) and because there are a LOT of Mods and Admins in there who would gladly revert inaccurate and stupid edits.
	--''[[User:Silver Mage\|<span style="color:silver;">Silver</span>]] [[User talk:Silver Mage\|<span style="color:royalblue;">Mage</span>]]'' [[User:Silver Mage/Lab\|<span style="color:gray;">Ω</span>]] 09:17, February 23, 2010 (UTC)		--''[[User:Silver Mage\|<span style="color:silver;">Silver</span>]] [[User talk:Silver Mage\|<span style="color:royalblue;">Mage</span>]]'' [[User:Silver Mage/Lab\|<span style="color:gray;">Ω</span>]] 09:17, February 23, 2010 (UTC)
	::@SilverMage: edit and revert is just a matter of clicking things. Even normal users can revert vandals if they want. though I agree that ffwiki have far more lot of admin and mods that makes the job easier.. - [[User:SilverSummoner\|<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS"><font color="skyblue">'''Silver'''</font><font color="dodgerblue">'''Summoner'''</font></span>]][[User talk:SilverSummoner\|<sup><font color="royalblue">''TaLk''</font></sup>]] 10:17, February 23, 2010 (UTC)
	:::Silver Mage, i take it users on your wikis helped you to learn how to reference properly? It would be the same here, i'd see it as the responsibilty of more experienced users to help out newbies, and show them how to reference their material. It may be seen as a srestriction at first, but as you did, they get use to it. <span style="color:#BF404D">'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <sub>[[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|Council Chamber]]</sub> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato\|Assassination record]]</sup></span> 12:25, February 23, 2010 (UTC)

			Woud i be intruding if i voted?[[User:Spoonodeath\|Spoonodeath]] 12:37, February 26, 2010 (UTC)



			:@SilverMage: edit and revert is just a matter of clicking things. Even normal users can revert vandals if they want. though I agree that ffwiki have far more lot of admin and mods that makes the job easier.. - [[User:SilverSummoner\|<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS"><font color="skyblue">'''Silver'''</font><font color="dodgerblue">'''Summoner'''</font></span>]][[User talk:SilverSummoner\|<sup><font color="royalblue">''TaLk''</font></sup>]] 10:17, February 23, 2010 (UTC)
			::Silver Mage, i take it users on your wikis helped you to learn how to reference properly? It would be the same here, i'd see it as the responsibilty of more experienced users to help out newbies, and show them how to reference their material. It may be seen as a srestriction at first, but as you did, they get use to it. <span style="color:#BF404D">'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <sub>[[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|Council Chamber]]</sub> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato\|Assassination record]]</sup></span> 12:25, February 23, 2010 (UTC)

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	--''[[User:Silver Mage\|<span style="color:silver;">Silver</span>]] [[User talk:Silver Mage\|<span style="color:royalblue;">Mage</span>]]'' [[User:Silver Mage/Lab\|<span style="color:gray;">Ω</span>]] 09:17, February 23, 2010 (UTC)		--''[[User:Silver Mage\|<span style="color:silver;">Silver</span>]] [[User talk:Silver Mage\|<span style="color:royalblue;">Mage</span>]]'' [[User:Silver Mage/Lab\|<span style="color:gray;">Ω</span>]] 09:17, February 23, 2010 (UTC)
	::@SilverMage: edit and revert is just a matter of clicking things. Even normal users can revert vandals if they want. though I agree that ffwiki have far more lot of admin and mods that makes the job easier.. - [[User:SilverSummoner\|<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS"><font color="skyblue">'''Silver'''</font><font color="dodgerblue">'''Summoner'''</font></span>]][[User talk:SilverSummoner\|<sup><font color="royalblue">''TaLk''</font></sup>]] 10:17, February 23, 2010 (UTC)		::@SilverMage: edit and revert is just a matter of clicking things. Even normal users can revert vandals if they want. though I agree that ffwiki have far more lot of admin and mods that makes the job easier.. - [[User:SilverSummoner\|<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS"><font color="skyblue">'''Silver'''</font><font color="dodgerblue">'''Summoner'''</font></span>]][[User talk:SilverSummoner\|<sup><font color="royalblue">''TaLk''</font></sup>]] 10:17, February 23, 2010 (UTC)
			:::Silver Mage, i take it users on your wikis helped you to learn how to reference properly? It would be the same here, i'd see it as the responsibilty of more experienced users to help out newbies, and show them how to reference their material. It may be seen as a srestriction at first, but as you did, they get use to it. <span style="color:#BF404D">'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <sub>[[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|Council Chamber]]</sub> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato\|Assassination record]]</sup></span> 12:25, February 23, 2010 (UTC)