https://assassinscreedwiki.accesstheanimus.com/index.php?action=history&feed=atom&title=Category_talk%3AJapaneseCategory talk:Japanese - Revision history2026-06-13T03:33:30ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.42.3https://assassinscreedwiki.accesstheanimus.com/index.php?title=Category_talk:Japanese&diff=1129737&oldid=prevSoranin at 02:19, 13 May 20262026-05-13T02:19:40Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:It's not a matter of stupidity, it's a matter of whether it's correct or not. We have <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[</del>[:Category:Englishmen]], so for consistency's sake, are we going to change that to <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[</del>[:Category:English]]? (Answer: Unlikely.) If we have "Englishmen" we should have "Japanese persons" (since "Japanesemen" is even worse.) --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato|contributions]])</small> 11:58, December 18, 2013 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:It's not a matter of stupidity, it's a matter of whether it's correct or not. We have [:Category:Englishmen]], so for consistency's sake, are we going to change that to [:Category:English]]? (Answer: Unlikely.) If we have "Englishmen" we should have "Japanese persons" (since "Japanesemen" is even worse.) --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato|contributions]])</small> 11:58, December 18, 2013 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
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</table>Soraninhttps://assassinscreedwiki.accesstheanimus.com/index.php?title=Category_talk:Japanese&diff=936520&oldid=previmported>Jasca Ducato at 09:06, 20 December 20132013-12-20T09:06:16Z<p></p>
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</table>imported>Jasca Ducatohttps://assassinscreedwiki.accesstheanimus.com/index.php?title=Category_talk:Japanese&diff=936519&oldid=previmported>The Forgotten Fragment at 03:01, 20 December 20132013-12-20T03:01:53Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Total consistency in this matter will probably not be achieved. However, if we use "Japanese persons" we should so so for all the other nationalities. Englishmen and Irishmen are indeed inconsistent with the current way of categorizing, but it's the common term used for describing people from those countries. The common term to refer to Japanese is Japanese, and not Japanese persons. I hope that, more or less, clarifies my view on the issue. [[User:Amnestyyy|<span style="font-family:Freestyle Script;font-size:19px;color:#7FFFD4;">'''Nesty'''</span>]] [[User_Talk:Amnestyyy|<sup><span style="font-family:Elephant;color:#00FFFF;">Contact me!</span></sup>]] 14:45, December 19, 2013 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Total consistency in this matter will probably not be achieved. However, if we use "Japanese persons" we should so so for all the other nationalities. Englishmen and Irishmen are indeed inconsistent with the current way of categorizing, but it's the common term used for describing people from those countries. The common term to refer to Japanese is Japanese, and not Japanese persons. I hope that, more or less, clarifies my view on the issue. [[User:Amnestyyy|<span style="font-family:Freestyle Script;font-size:19px;color:#7FFFD4;">'''Nesty'''</span>]] [[User_Talk:Amnestyyy|<sup><span style="font-family:Elephant;color:#00FFFF;">Contact me!</span></sup>]] 14:45, December 19, 2013 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
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</table>imported>The Forgotten Fragmenthttps://assassinscreedwiki.accesstheanimus.com/index.php?title=Category_talk:Japanese&diff=936518&oldid=previmported>Amnestyyy at 14:45, 19 December 20132013-12-19T14:45:17Z<p></p>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Total consistency in this matter will probably not be achieved. However, if we use "Japanese persons" we should so so for all the other nationalities. Englishmen and Irishmen are indeed inconsistent with the current way of categorizing, but it's the common term used for describing people from those countries. The common term to refer to Japanese is Japanese, and not Japanese persons. I hope that, more or less, clarifies my view on the issue. [[User:Amnestyyy|<span style="font-family:Freestyle Script;font-size:19px;color:#7FFFD4;">'''Nesty'''</span>]] [[User_Talk:Amnestyyy|<sup><span style="font-family:Elephant;color:#00FFFF;">Contact me!</span></sup>]] 14:45, December 19, 2013 (UTC)</ins></div></td></tr>
</table>imported>Amnestyyyhttps://assassinscreedwiki.accesstheanimus.com/index.php?title=Category_talk:Japanese&diff=936517&oldid=previmported>Jasca Ducato at 14:12, 19 December 20132013-12-19T14:12:33Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Also, a little sidenote, I'd prefer you not changing more categories until the discussion has been rounded off, as you did with the Portuguese. [[User:Amnestyyy|<span style="font-family:Freestyle Script;font-size:19px;color:#7FFFD4;">'''Nesty'''</span>]] [[User_Talk:Amnestyyy|<sup><span style="font-family:Elephant;color:#00FFFF;">Contact me!</span></sup>]] 13:11, December 19, 2013 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Also, a little sidenote, I'd prefer you not changing more categories until the discussion has been rounded off, as you did with the Portuguese. [[User:Amnestyyy|<span style="font-family:Freestyle Script;font-size:19px;color:#7FFFD4;">'''Nesty'''</span>]] [[User_Talk:Amnestyyy|<sup><span style="font-family:Elephant;color:#00FFFF;">Contact me!</span></sup>]] 13:11, December 19, 2013 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Also, a little sidenote, I'd prefer you not changing more categories until the discussion has been rounded off, as you did with the Portuguese. [[User:Amnestyyy|<span style="font-family:Freestyle Script;font-size:19px;color:#7FFFD4;">'''Nesty'''</span>]] [[User_Talk:Amnestyyy|<sup><span style="font-family:Elephant;color:#00FFFF;">Contact me!</span></sup>]] 13:11, December 19, 2013 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Also, a little sidenote, I'd prefer you not changing more categories until the discussion has been rounded off, as you did with the Portuguese. [[User:Amnestyyy|<span style="font-family:Freestyle Script;font-size:19px;color:#7FFFD4;">'''Nesty'''</span>]] [[User_Talk:Amnestyyy|<sup><span style="font-family:Elephant;color:#00FFFF;">Contact me!</span></sup>]] 13:11, December 19, 2013 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
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</table>imported>Jasca Ducatohttps://assassinscreedwiki.accesstheanimus.com/index.php?title=Category_talk:Japanese&diff=936515&oldid=previmported>Amnestyyy at 13:11, 19 December 20132013-12-19T13:11:45Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:To answer your second point, I haven't created a category called "Japanese people", I created one called "Japanese ''persons''", so the fact that your quoted example sounds clumsy is irrelevant. (As it stands, I happen to agree with you that "Japanese people" is a bad name for the category.) --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato|contributions]])</small> 10:14, December 19, 2013 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:To answer your second point, I haven't created a category called "Japanese people", I created one called "Japanese ''persons''", so the fact that your quoted example sounds clumsy is irrelevant. (As it stands, I happen to agree with you that "Japanese people" is a bad name for the category.) --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato|contributions]])</small> 10:14, December 19, 2013 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">First of all, I'd like to apologize for my sloppy quoting. However, in my opinion, I find "Japanese persons" and "Japanese people" both sound clumsy, whereas I agree that the second sounds quite a bit worse than the first. Then to adress the point you make about "Japanese" having to be "Japaneses" because of the categories having to be plural: the plural of "Japanese" ''is ''"Japanese." Thus, using Japanese is not incorrect, or inaccurate, as it is both grammatically, semantically, and syntactically correct.</ins></div></td></tr>
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</table>imported>Amnestyyyhttps://assassinscreedwiki.accesstheanimus.com/index.php?title=Category_talk:Japanese&diff=936514&oldid=previmported>Jasca Ducato at 10:14, 19 December 20132013-12-19T10:14:59Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Furthermore: "Japanese people" sounds rather clumsy, and would not be used by English, Japanese, or (most) other nationalities, meaning it is semantically not very good, albeit not completely incorrect. We don't use "German people" because "Germans" already indicates it is about people, and the fact that "Japanese" does not bear the marker indicating it is about individuals does not mean that it is incorrect or inaccurate. It's just a language-specific deviation. [[User:Amnestyyy|<span style="font-family:Freestyle Script;font-size:19px;color:#7FFFD4;">'''Nesty'''</span>]] [[User_Talk:Amnestyyy|<sup><span style="font-family:Elephant;color:#00FFFF;">Contact me!</span></sup>]] 17:36, December 18, 2013 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Furthermore: "Japanese people" sounds rather clumsy, and would not be used by English, Japanese, or (most) other nationalities, meaning it is semantically not very good, albeit not completely incorrect. We don't use "German people" because "Germans" already indicates it is about people, and the fact that "Japanese" does not bear the marker indicating it is about individuals does not mean that it is incorrect or inaccurate. It's just a language-specific deviation. [[User:Amnestyyy|<span style="font-family:Freestyle Script;font-size:19px;color:#7FFFD4;">'''Nesty'''</span>]] [[User_Talk:Amnestyyy|<sup><span style="font-family:Elephant;color:#00FFFF;">Contact me!</span></sup>]] 17:36, December 18, 2013 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
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</table>imported>Jasca Ducatohttps://assassinscreedwiki.accesstheanimus.com/index.php?title=Category_talk:Japanese&diff=936513&oldid=previmported>Amnestyyy at 17:36, 18 December 20132013-12-18T17:36:42Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::Saying "we have x so we should keep y" is not a valid reason. The fact is it's incorrect, and quite obviously, if this change had not been contested then I would have also corrected [[:Category:Chinese]] shortly thereafter. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato|contributions]])</small> 15:01, December 18, 2013 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::Saying "we have x so we should keep y" is not a valid reason. The fact is it's incorrect, and quite obviously, if this change had not been contested then I would have also corrected [[:Category:Chinese]] shortly thereafter. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato|contributions]])</small> 15:01, December 18, 2013 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Furthermore: "Japanese people" sounds rather clumsy, and would not be used by English, Japanese, or (most) other nationalities, meaning it is semantically not very good, albeit not completely incorrect. We don't use "German people" because "Germans" already indicates it is about people, and the fact that "Japanese" does not bear the marker indicating it is about individuals does not mean that it is incorrect or inaccurate. It's just a language-specific deviation. [[User:Amnestyyy|<span style="font-family:Freestyle Script;font-size:19px;color:#7FFFD4;">'''Nesty'''</span>]] [[User_Talk:Amnestyyy|<sup><span style="font-family:Elephant;color:#00FFFF;">Contact me!</span></sup>]] 17:36, December 18, 2013 (UTC)</ins></div></td></tr>
</table>imported>Amnestyyyhttps://assassinscreedwiki.accesstheanimus.com/index.php?title=Category_talk:Japanese&diff=936512&oldid=previmported>Jasca Ducato at 15:01, 18 December 20132013-12-18T15:01:15Z<p></p>
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