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imported>Master Sima Yi at 09:40, 6 May 2020

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	# I'll stand by my counter-argument here. As far as I know there has only been one transmedia source so far that outright uses the terms "Persian Brotherhood" and "Babylonian Brotherhood", and it has since been revised.		# I'll stand by my counter-argument here. As far as I know there has only been one transmedia source so far that outright uses the terms "Persian Brotherhood" and "Babylonian Brotherhood", and it has since been revised.
	# While I don't necessarily agree with it, yes, seeing as she is referred to as being honored by the Assassin Brotherhood as one of their precursors in the Essential Guide version 2, we should follow this.		# While I don't necessarily agree with it, yes, seeing as she is referred to as being honored by the Assassin Brotherhood as one of their precursors in the Essential Guide version 2, we should follow this.
	# To a certain degree. I assume by Zero-ELEC's proposal you mean to refer to any pre-Assassin Assassins as just Assassins, and the same for any pre-Templar Templars. On their respective pages we should clarify in the introduction as well as the main bodies that while they were not part of any Brotherhood/Order or group that called themselves Assassins/Templars, we should categorize them as Assassins and Templars and point out that, by 1476 at latest, they were considered to be part of the group. ~~For easiness' sake~~, we can refer to characters like Darius, Iltani and Wei Yu as Assassins as that is what they have been labelled as for almost a decade.		# To a certain degree. I assume by Zero-ELEC's proposal you mean to refer to any pre-Assassin Assassins as just Assassins, and the same for any pre-Templar Templars. On their respective pages we should clarify in the introduction as well as the main bodies that while they were not part of any Brotherhood/Order or group that called themselves Assassins/Templars, we should categorize them as Assassins and Templars and point out that, by 1476 at latest, they were considered to be part of the group. As long as we clarify where necessary, we can refer to characters like Darius, Iltani and Wei Yu as Assassins as that is what they have been labelled as for almost a decade.

imported>Master Sima Yi at 09:37, 6 May 2020

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	# I'll stand by my counter-argument here. As far as I know there has only been one transmedia source so far that outright uses the terms "Persian Brotherhood" and "Babylonian Brotherhood", and it has since been revised.		# I'll stand by my counter-argument here. As far as I know there has only been one transmedia source so far that outright uses the terms "Persian Brotherhood" and "Babylonian Brotherhood", and it has since been revised.
	# While I don't necessarily agree with it, yes, seeing as she is referred to as being honored by the Assassin Brotherhood as one of their precursors in the Essential Guide version 2, we should follow this.		# While I don't necessarily agree with it, yes, seeing as she is referred to as being honored by the Assassin Brotherhood as one of their precursors in the Essential Guide version 2, we should follow this.
	# As I ~~stated~~ in point 2, ~~I agree with this~~.		# To a certain degree. I assume by Zero-ELEC's proposal you mean to refer to any pre-Assassin Assassins as just Assassins, and the same for any pre-Templar Templars. On their respective pages we should clarify in the introduction as well as the main bodies that while they were not part of any Brotherhood/Order or group that called themselves Assassins/Templars, we should categorize them as Assassins and Templars and point out that, by 1476 at latest, they were considered to be part of the group. For easiness' sake, we can refer to characters like Darius, Iltani and Wei Yu as Assassins as that is what they have been labelled as for almost a decade.

imported>Master Sima Yi at 09:31, 6 May 2020

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	# While I don't necessarily agree with it, yes, seeing as she is referred to as being honored by the Assassin Brotherhood as one of their precursors in the Essential Guide version 2, we should follow this.		# While I don't necessarily agree with it, yes, seeing as she is referred to as being honored by the Assassin Brotherhood as one of their precursors in the Essential Guide version 2, we should follow this.
	# As I stated in point 2, I agree with this.		# As I stated in point 2, I agree with this.

	There's been confirmation in interviews about Valhalla that there are "Hidden Ones" in the time period. Though one thing to note is that Fate of the Gods's historical section, which happens ~100 years after the time period in Valhalla, has the local Assassins and Templars as the "Brotherhood" and the "Order" respectively, which appears to be the non-denominational names Ubisoft has adopted for the organisations.
	Iltani's definitely should, as its the only canon name we have for it currently, though moving it to the individual article's talk pages might work if no consensus is reached. I would argue that at the very least, Artabantus' group's exploits should be included in the Persian Brotherhood of Assassins article. But yes, I'd argue for the merge, in general, even if there's no direct continuity of organisation. The Brotherhood of Assassins located in the 13 Colonies and surrounding areas were basically wiped out and eventually restarted by Ratonhnhaké:ton, with little to no continuity between the organisations.
	Though normally I'd be opposed, as her conflicts seemed mostly aimed against the Cult of Kosmos which is really a Hermeticist off-shoot, apparently the newest tEG actively refers to her as one, which is definitely a source.
	~~Well, it's preferable to me :P~~

imported>Master Sima Yi: Created page with "# I actually think this it's a good idea to merge the pages. The only unique content is the broader history sections which can be merged into the existing Assassins and [[..."

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Created page with "# I actually think this it's a good idea to merge the pages. The only unique content is the broader history sections which can be merged into the existing Assassins and [[..."

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# I actually think this it's a good idea to merge the pages. The only unique content is the broader history sections which can be merged into the existing [[Assassins]] and [[Templars]] pages, and they have lists of their members which we don't necessarily need. The inclusion of the different logos and listing of the names '''Hidden Ones'' and '''Order of the Ancients'' in the introduction sections of the Assassins and Templars pages will do.
# Let's hope this will be revealed soon enough, but in the meantime, I agree with Zero-ELEC's proposal to refer to all of the "proto-Assassins", Hidden Ones and Assassins as simply "Assassins", I don't think referring to them as Assassins for the time being is an issue.
# I'll stand by my counter-argument here. As far as I know there has only been one transmedia source so far that outright uses the terms "Persian Brotherhood" and "Babylonian Brotherhood", and it has since been revised.
# While I don't necessarily agree with it, yes, seeing as she is referred to as being honored by the Assassin Brotherhood as one of their precursors in the Essential Guide version 2, we should follow this.
# As I stated in point 2, I agree with this.

There's been confirmation in interviews about Valhalla that there are "Hidden Ones" in the time period. Though one thing to note is that Fate of the Gods's historical section, which happens ~100 years after the time period in Valhalla, has the local Assassins and Templars as the "Brotherhood" and the "Order" respectively, which appears to be the non-denominational names Ubisoft has adopted for the organisations.
Iltani's definitely should, as its the only canon name we have for it currently, though moving it to the individual article's talk pages might work if no consensus is reached. I would argue that at the very least, Artabantus' group's exploits should be included in the Persian Brotherhood of Assassins article. But yes, I'd argue for the merge, in general, even if there's no direct continuity of organisation. The Brotherhood of Assassins located in the 13 Colonies and surrounding areas were basically wiped out and eventually restarted by Ratonhnhaké:ton, with little to no continuity between the organisations.
Though normally I'd be opposed, as her conflicts seemed mostly aimed against the Cult of Kosmos which is really a Hermeticist off-shoot, apparently the newest tEG actively refers to her as one, which is definitely a source.
Well, it's preferable to me :P