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Soranin: /* Appearances */

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	==Appearances==		==Appearances==
	As Sol pointed out, 'appear' suggests being seen. This opens a whole new barrel of monkeys, because there's a slew of articles with just {{Mo}} following their appearance; mention doesn't really count as 'being seen'. Statues, artworks, all that jazz, visible and clear and easy. Mentions? Not really.<br />		As Sol pointed out, 'appear' suggests being seen. This opens a whole new barrel of monkeys, because there's a slew of articles with just {{Mo}} following their appearance; mention doesn't really count as 'being seen'. Statues, artworks, all that jazz, visible and clear and easy. Mentions? Not really.<br />
	(If this seems nitpicky, try playing a game the rules of which you don't know.) [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[~~w:c:assassinscreed:~~User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 19:31, May 16, 2019 (UTC)		(If this seems nitpicky, try playing a game the rules of which you don't know.) [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 19:31, May 16, 2019 (UTC)
	:Can you re-read my [[Talk:Sun\|initial explanation]] to you on this entirely? I have already addressed why we use mentions in my very original explanation to you. Given your comment here and your replies there, it seems that you either did not read or have repeatedly misread the explanation given to you. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 21:07, May 16, 2019 (UTC)		:Can you re-read my [[Talk:Sun\|initial explanation]] to you on this entirely? I have already addressed why we use mentions in my very original explanation to you. Given your comment here and your replies there, it seems that you either did not read or have repeatedly misread the explanation given to you. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 21:07, May 16, 2019 (UTC)
	:I should also point out that your comment here confusingly contradicts your comment at the talk page of "Sun". Here, you at the very least acknowledge that I have said that the definition of an ''appearance'' is whether it comes into view of the audience. There, you don't acknowledge this and seem to maintain that if I say something has not ''appeared'', I mean that it has not shown up in spite of the fact I am repeatedly reminding you that this is not the implied meaning at all. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 21:14, May 16, 2019 (UTC)		:I should also point out that your comment here confusingly contradicts your comment at the talk page of "Sun". Here, you at the very least acknowledge that I have said that the definition of an ''appearance'' is whether it comes into view of the audience. There, you don't acknowledge this and seem to maintain that if I say something has not ''appeared'', I mean that it has not shown up in spite of the fact I am repeatedly reminding you that this is not the implied meaning at all. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 21:14, May 16, 2019 (UTC)
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	::Vis-à-vis the [[Sun]], I would personally only count an appearance as those instances where it plays a role in the story; ''[[Assassin's Creed III]]'' for example, and have {{tl\|mo}} against those mediums where the solar flare is mentioned. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 08:36, May 17, 2019 (UTC)		::Vis-à-vis the [[Sun]], I would personally only count an appearance as those instances where it plays a role in the story; ''[[Assassin's Creed III]]'' for example, and have {{tl\|mo}} against those mediums where the solar flare is mentioned. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 08:36, May 17, 2019 (UTC)
	:::I'm with Jasca on this, in regards to the Sun, and that's why I originally edited its 'Appearances' with the comment about prominency. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[~~w:c:assassinscreed:~~User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 13:35, May 17, 2019 (UTC)		:::I'm with Jasca on this, in regards to the Sun, and that's why I originally edited its 'Appearances' with the comment about prominency. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 13:35, May 17, 2019 (UTC)
	::::That's simply not correct, however, unless we mean to deviate from the practice of other wikis which we drew this section from. If so, then we would need a full discussion of our community consenting to such a different usage. By default, it makes sense to do it the same way as it is normally done. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 15:16, May 17, 2019 (UTC)		::::That's simply not correct, however, unless we mean to deviate from the practice of other wikis which we drew this section from. If so, then we would need a full discussion of our community consenting to such a different usage. By default, it makes sense to do it the same way as it is normally done. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 15:16, May 17, 2019 (UTC)
	::::And I fear that would invite confusion if readers who are familiar with multiple wikis come to ours and see the exact same section only for its usage to differ in meaning on a fundamental level. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 15:19, May 17, 2019 (UTC)		::::And I fear that would invite confusion if readers who are familiar with multiple wikis come to ours and see the exact same section only for its usage to differ in meaning on a fundamental level. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 15:19, May 17, 2019 (UTC)

imported>Soranin: /* Miscellaneous weapons */ new section

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Miscellaneous weapons: new section

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	::::That's simply not correct, however, unless we mean to deviate from the practice of other wikis which we drew this section from. If so, then we would need a full discussion of our community consenting to such a different usage. By default, it makes sense to do it the same way as it is normally done. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 15:16, May 17, 2019 (UTC)		::::That's simply not correct, however, unless we mean to deviate from the practice of other wikis which we drew this section from. If so, then we would need a full discussion of our community consenting to such a different usage. By default, it makes sense to do it the same way as it is normally done. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 15:16, May 17, 2019 (UTC)
	::::And I fear that would invite confusion if readers who are familiar with multiple wikis come to ours and see the exact same section only for its usage to differ in meaning on a fundamental level. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 15:19, May 17, 2019 (UTC)		::::And I fear that would invite confusion if readers who are familiar with multiple wikis come to ours and see the exact same section only for its usage to differ in meaning on a fundamental level. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 15:19, May 17, 2019 (UTC)

			== Miscellaneous weapons ==

			So, y'all know me, I was looking through this page for redlinks. I noticed one for "Falchion (Unity)" but no such weapon exists in Unity. There are three weapons with Falchion on the name in Unity: the Dented Falchion, the Straight Falchion and the Heavy Falchion, but no weapon simply named "Falchion". - [[User:Soranin\|Soranin]] ([[User talk:Soranin\|talk]]) 18:03, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

imported>Sol Pacificus: /* Appearances */

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	::Vis-à-vis the [[Sun]], I would personally only count an appearance as those instances where it plays a role in the story; ''[[Assassin's Creed III]]'' for example, and have {{tl\|mo}} against those mediums where the solar flare is mentioned. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 08:36, May 17, 2019 (UTC)		::Vis-à-vis the [[Sun]], I would personally only count an appearance as those instances where it plays a role in the story; ''[[Assassin's Creed III]]'' for example, and have {{tl\|mo}} against those mediums where the solar flare is mentioned. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 08:36, May 17, 2019 (UTC)
	::I'm with Jasca on this, in regards to the Sun, and that's why I originally edited its 'Appearances' with the comment about prominency. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 13:35, May 17, 2019 (UTC)		:::I'm with Jasca on this, in regards to the Sun, and that's why I originally edited its 'Appearances' with the comment about prominency. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 13:35, May 17, 2019 (UTC)
	:::That's simply not correct, however, unless we mean to deviate from the practice of other wikis which we drew this section from. If so, then we would need a full discussion of our community consenting to such a different usage. By default, it makes sense to do it the same way as it is normally done. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 15:16, May 17, 2019 (UTC)		::::That's simply not correct, however, unless we mean to deviate from the practice of other wikis which we drew this section from. If so, then we would need a full discussion of our community consenting to such a different usage. By default, it makes sense to do it the same way as it is normally done. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 15:16, May 17, 2019 (UTC)
	:::And I fear that would invite confusion if readers who are familiar with multiple wikis come to ours and see the exact same section only for its usage to differ in meaning on a fundamental level. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 15:19, May 17, 2019 (UTC)		::::And I fear that would invite confusion if readers who are familiar with multiple wikis come to ours and see the exact same section only for its usage to differ in meaning on a fundamental level. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 15:19, May 17, 2019 (UTC)

imported>Sol Pacificus: /* Appearances */

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	::I'm with Jasca on this, in regards to the Sun, and that's why I originally edited its 'Appearances' with the comment about prominency. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 13:35, May 17, 2019 (UTC)		::I'm with Jasca on this, in regards to the Sun, and that's why I originally edited its 'Appearances' with the comment about prominency. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 13:35, May 17, 2019 (UTC)
	:::That's simply not correct, however, unless we mean to deviate from the practice of other wikis which we drew this section from. If so, then we would need a full discussion of our community consenting to such a different usage. By default, it makes sense to do it the same way as it is normally done. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 15:16, May 17, 2019 (UTC)		:::That's simply not correct, however, unless we mean to deviate from the practice of other wikis which we drew this section from. If so, then we would need a full discussion of our community consenting to such a different usage. By default, it makes sense to do it the same way as it is normally done. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 15:16, May 17, 2019 (UTC)
			:::And I fear that would invite confusion if readers who are familiar with multiple wikis come to ours and see the exact same section only for its usage to differ in meaning on a fundamental level. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 15:19, May 17, 2019 (UTC)

imported>Sol Pacificus: /* Appearances */

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	==Appearances==		==Appearances==
	As Sol pointed out, 'appear' suggests being seen. This opens a whole new barrel of monkeys, because there's a slew of articles with just {{Mo}} following their appearance; mention doesn't really count as 'being seen'. Statues, artworks, all that jazz, visible and clear and easy. Mentions? Not really.<br>		As Sol pointed out, 'appear' suggests being seen. This opens a whole new barrel of monkeys, because there's a slew of articles with just {{Mo}} following their appearance; mention doesn't really count as 'being seen'. Statues, artworks, all that jazz, visible and clear and easy. Mentions? Not really.<br />
	(If this seems nitpicky, try playing a game the rules of which you don't know.) [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 19:31, May 16, 2019 (UTC)		(If this seems nitpicky, try playing a game the rules of which you don't know.) [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 19:31, May 16, 2019 (UTC)
	:Can you re-read my [[Talk:Sun\|initial explanation]] to you on this entirely? I have already addressed why we use mentions in my very original explanation to you. Given your comment here and your replies there, it seems that you either did not read or have repeatedly misread the explanation given to you. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 21:07, May 16, 2019 (UTC)		:Can you re-read my [[Talk:Sun\|initial explanation]] to you on this entirely? I have already addressed why we use mentions in my very original explanation to you. Given your comment here and your replies there, it seems that you either did not read or have repeatedly misread the explanation given to you. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 21:07, May 16, 2019 (UTC)
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	::Vis-à-vis the [[Sun]], I would personally only count an appearance as those instances where it plays a role in the story; ''[[Assassin's Creed III]]'' for example, and have {{tl\|mo}} against those mediums where the solar flare is mentioned. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 08:36, May 17, 2019 (UTC)		::Vis-à-vis the [[Sun]], I would personally only count an appearance as those instances where it plays a role in the story; ''[[Assassin's Creed III]]'' for example, and have {{tl\|mo}} against those mediums where the solar flare is mentioned. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 08:36, May 17, 2019 (UTC)
	::I'm with Jasca on this, in regards to the Sun, and that's why I originally edited its 'Appearances' with the comment about prominency. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 13:35, May 17, 2019 (UTC)		::I'm with Jasca on this, in regards to the Sun, and that's why I originally edited its 'Appearances' with the comment about prominency. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 13:35, May 17, 2019 (UTC)
			:::That's simply not correct, however, unless we mean to deviate from the practice of other wikis which we drew this section from. If so, then we would need a full discussion of our community consenting to such a different usage. By default, it makes sense to do it the same way as it is normally done. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 15:16, May 17, 2019 (UTC)

imported>Sadelyrate: /* Appearances */

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	::Vis-à-vis the [[Sun]], I would personally only count an appearance as those instances where it plays a role in the story; ''[[Assassin's Creed III]]'' for example, and have {{tl\|mo}} against those mediums where the solar flare is mentioned. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 08:36, May 17, 2019 (UTC)		::Vis-à-vis the [[Sun]], I would personally only count an appearance as those instances where it plays a role in the story; ''[[Assassin's Creed III]]'' for example, and have {{tl\|mo}} against those mediums where the solar flare is mentioned. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 08:36, May 17, 2019 (UTC)
			::I'm with Jasca on this, in regards to the Sun, and that's why I originally edited its 'Appearances' with the comment about prominency. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 13:35, May 17, 2019 (UTC)

imported>Jasca Ducato: /* Appearances */

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	:Can you re-read my [[Talk:Sun\|initial explanation]] to you on this entirely? I have already addressed why we use mentions in my very original explanation to you. Given your comment here and your replies there, it seems that you either did not read or have repeatedly misread the explanation given to you. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 21:07, May 16, 2019 (UTC)		:Can you re-read my [[Talk:Sun\|initial explanation]] to you on this entirely? I have already addressed why we use mentions in my very original explanation to you. Given your comment here and your replies there, it seems that you either did not read or have repeatedly misread the explanation given to you. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 21:07, May 16, 2019 (UTC)
	:I should also point out that your comment here confusingly contradicts your comment at the talk page of "Sun". Here, you at the very least acknowledge that I have said that the definition of an ''appearance'' is whether it comes into view of the audience. There, you don't acknowledge this and seem to maintain that if I say something has not ''appeared'', I mean that it has not shown up in spite of the fact I am repeatedly reminding you that this is not the implied meaning at all. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 21:14, May 16, 2019 (UTC)		:I should also point out that your comment here confusingly contradicts your comment at the talk page of "Sun". Here, you at the very least acknowledge that I have said that the definition of an ''appearance'' is whether it comes into view of the audience. There, you don't acknowledge this and seem to maintain that if I say something has not ''appeared'', I mean that it has not shown up in spite of the fact I am repeatedly reminding you that this is not the implied meaning at all. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 21:14, May 16, 2019 (UTC)
			::For my part, I've counted an "appearance" as those times where a given article subject not only physically manifests in a given medium, but plays a semblance of a role in the story itself. For example, the ''[[Adrestia]]'' "appears" in ''[[Legacy of the First Blade: Shadow Heritage]]'' because use of the ship is mandatory for completion of the story, but it doesn't "appear" in ''Bloodline'' because it has no role in the story, despite the fact that the player might use the ship to travel.

			::Vis-à-vis the [[Sun]], I would personally only count an appearance as those instances where it plays a role in the story; ''[[Assassin's Creed III]]'' for example, and have {{tl\|mo}} against those mediums where the solar flare is mentioned. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 08:36, May 17, 2019 (UTC)

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	==Appearances==		==Appearances==
	As Sol pointed out, 'appear' suggests being seen. This opens a whole new barrel of monkeys, because there's a slew of articles with just {{Mo}} following their appearance; mention doesn't really count as 'being seen'. Statues, artworks, all that jazz, visible and clear and easy. Mentions? Not really.		As Sol pointed out, 'appear' suggests being seen. This opens a whole new barrel of monkeys, because there's a slew of articles with just {{Mo}} following their appearance; mention doesn't really count as 'being seen'. Statues, artworks, all that jazz, visible and clear and easy. Mentions? Not really.<br>
	:(If this seems nitpicky, try playing a game the rules of which you don't know.) [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 19:31, May 16, 2019 (UTC)		(If this seems nitpicky, try playing a game the rules of which you don't know.) [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 19:31, May 16, 2019 (UTC)
	:Can you re-read my [[Talk:Sun\|initial explanation]] to you on this entirely? I have already addressed why we use mentions in my very original explanation to you. Given your comment here and your replies there, it seems that you either did not read or have repeatedly misread the explanation given to you. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 21:07, May 16, 2019 (UTC)		:Can you re-read my [[Talk:Sun\|initial explanation]] to you on this entirely? I have already addressed why we use mentions in my very original explanation to you. Given your comment here and your replies there, it seems that you either did not read or have repeatedly misread the explanation given to you. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 21:07, May 16, 2019 (UTC)
	:I should also point out that your comment here confusingly contradicts your comment at the talk page of "Sun". Here, you at the very least acknowledge that I have said that the definition of an ''appearance'' is whether it comes into view of the audience. There, you don't acknowledge this and seem to maintain that if I say something has not ''appeared'', I mean that it has not shown up in spite of the fact I am repeatedly reminding you that this is not the implied meaning at all. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 21:14, May 16, 2019 (UTC)		:I should also point out that your comment here confusingly contradicts your comment at the talk page of "Sun". Here, you at the very least acknowledge that I have said that the definition of an ''appearance'' is whether it comes into view of the audience. There, you don't acknowledge this and seem to maintain that if I say something has not ''appeared'', I mean that it has not shown up in spite of the fact I am repeatedly reminding you that this is not the implied meaning at all. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 21:14, May 16, 2019 (UTC)

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	:(If this seems nitpicky, try playing a game the rules of which you don't know.) [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 19:31, May 16, 2019 (UTC)		:(If this seems nitpicky, try playing a game the rules of which you don't know.) [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 19:31, May 16, 2019 (UTC)
	:Can you re-read my [[Talk:Sun\|initial explanation]] to you on this entirely? I have already addressed why we use mentions in my very original explanation to you. Given your comment here and your replies there, it seems that you either did not read or have repeatedly misread the explanation given to you. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 21:07, May 16, 2019 (UTC)		:Can you re-read my [[Talk:Sun\|initial explanation]] to you on this entirely? I have already addressed why we use mentions in my very original explanation to you. Given your comment here and your replies there, it seems that you either did not read or have repeatedly misread the explanation given to you. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 21:07, May 16, 2019 (UTC)
			:I should also point out that your comment here confusingly contradicts your comment at the talk page of "Sun". Here, you at the very least acknowledge that I have said that the definition of an ''appearance'' is whether it comes into view of the audience. There, you don't acknowledge this and seem to maintain that if I say something has not ''appeared'', I mean that it has not shown up in spite of the fact I am repeatedly reminding you that this is not the implied meaning at all. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 21:14, May 16, 2019 (UTC)

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	As Sol pointed out, 'appear' suggests being seen. This opens a whole new barrel of monkeys, because there's a slew of articles with just {{Mo}} following their appearance; mention doesn't really count as 'being seen'. Statues, artworks, all that jazz, visible and clear and easy. Mentions? Not really.		As Sol pointed out, 'appear' suggests being seen. This opens a whole new barrel of monkeys, because there's a slew of articles with just {{Mo}} following their appearance; mention doesn't really count as 'being seen'. Statues, artworks, all that jazz, visible and clear and easy. Mentions? Not really.
	:(If this seems nitpicky, try playing a game the rules of which you don't know.) [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 19:31, May 16, 2019 (UTC)		:(If this seems nitpicky, try playing a game the rules of which you don't know.) [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 19:31, May 16, 2019 (UTC)
			:Can you re-read my [[Talk:Sun\|initial explanation]] to you on this entirely? I have already addressed why we use mentions in my very original explanation to you. Given your comment here and your replies there, it seems that you either did not read or have repeatedly misread the explanation given to you. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 21:07, May 16, 2019 (UTC)

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	As Sol pointed out, 'appear' suggests being seen. This opens a whole new barrel of monkeys, because there's a slew of articles with just {{Mo}} following their appearance; mention doesn't really count as 'being seen'. Statues, artworks, all that jazz, visible and clear and easy. Mentions? Not really.<br />		As Sol pointed out, 'appear' suggests being seen. This opens a whole new barrel of monkeys, because there's a slew of articles with just {{Mo}} following their appearance; mention doesn't really count as 'being seen'. Statues, artworks, all that jazz, visible and clear and easy. Mentions? Not really.<br />
	(If this seems nitpicky, try playing a game the rules of which you don't know.) [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[~~w:c:assassinscreed:~~User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 19:31, May 16, 2019 (UTC)		(If this seems nitpicky, try playing a game the rules of which you don't know.) [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 19:31, May 16, 2019 (UTC)
	:Can you re-read my [[Talk:Sun\|initial explanation]] to you on this entirely? I have already addressed why we use mentions in my very original explanation to you. Given your comment here and your replies there, it seems that you either did not read or have repeatedly misread the explanation given to you. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 21:07, May 16, 2019 (UTC)		:Can you re-read my [[Talk:Sun\|initial explanation]] to you on this entirely? I have already addressed why we use mentions in my very original explanation to you. Given your comment here and your replies there, it seems that you either did not read or have repeatedly misread the explanation given to you. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 21:07, May 16, 2019 (UTC)
	:I should also point out that your comment here confusingly contradicts your comment at the talk page of "Sun". Here, you at the very least acknowledge that I have said that the definition of an ''appearance'' is whether it comes into view of the audience. There, you don't acknowledge this and seem to maintain that if I say something has not ''appeared'', I mean that it has not shown up in spite of the fact I am repeatedly reminding you that this is not the implied meaning at all. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 21:14, May 16, 2019 (UTC)		:I should also point out that your comment here confusingly contradicts your comment at the talk page of "Sun". Here, you at the very least acknowledge that I have said that the definition of an ''appearance'' is whether it comes into view of the audience. There, you don't acknowledge this and seem to maintain that if I say something has not ''appeared'', I mean that it has not shown up in spite of the fact I am repeatedly reminding you that this is not the implied meaning at all. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 21:14, May 16, 2019 (UTC)
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	::Vis-à-vis the [[Sun]], I would personally only count an appearance as those instances where it plays a role in the story; ''[[Assassin's Creed III]]'' for example, and have {{tl\|mo}} against those mediums where the solar flare is mentioned. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 08:36, May 17, 2019 (UTC)		::Vis-à-vis the [[Sun]], I would personally only count an appearance as those instances where it plays a role in the story; ''[[Assassin's Creed III]]'' for example, and have {{tl\|mo}} against those mediums where the solar flare is mentioned. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 08:36, May 17, 2019 (UTC)
	:::I'm with Jasca on this, in regards to the Sun, and that's why I originally edited its 'Appearances' with the comment about prominency. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[~~w:c:assassinscreed:~~User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 13:35, May 17, 2019 (UTC)		:::I'm with Jasca on this, in regards to the Sun, and that's why I originally edited its 'Appearances' with the comment about prominency. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 13:35, May 17, 2019 (UTC)
	::::That's simply not correct, however, unless we mean to deviate from the practice of other wikis which we drew this section from. If so, then we would need a full discussion of our community consenting to such a different usage. By default, it makes sense to do it the same way as it is normally done. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 15:16, May 17, 2019 (UTC)		::::That's simply not correct, however, unless we mean to deviate from the practice of other wikis which we drew this section from. If so, then we would need a full discussion of our community consenting to such a different usage. By default, it makes sense to do it the same way as it is normally done. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 15:16, May 17, 2019 (UTC)
	::::And I fear that would invite confusion if readers who are familiar with multiple wikis come to ours and see the exact same section only for its usage to differ in meaning on a fundamental level. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 15:19, May 17, 2019 (UTC)		::::And I fear that would invite confusion if readers who are familiar with multiple wikis come to ours and see the exact same section only for its usage to differ in meaning on a fundamental level. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 15:19, May 17, 2019 (UTC)

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	::Vis-à-vis the [[Sun]], I would personally only count an appearance as those instances where it plays a role in the story; ''[[Assassin's Creed III]]'' for example, and have {{tl\|mo}} against those mediums where the solar flare is mentioned. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 08:36, May 17, 2019 (UTC)		::Vis-à-vis the [[Sun]], I would personally only count an appearance as those instances where it plays a role in the story; ''[[Assassin's Creed III]]'' for example, and have {{tl\|mo}} against those mediums where the solar flare is mentioned. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato\|Jasca Ducato]]''''' <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato\|contributions]])</small> 08:36, May 17, 2019 (UTC)
	::I'm with Jasca on this, in regards to the Sun, and that's why I originally edited its 'Appearances' with the comment about prominency. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 13:35, May 17, 2019 (UTC)		:::I'm with Jasca on this, in regards to the Sun, and that's why I originally edited its 'Appearances' with the comment about prominency. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 13:35, May 17, 2019 (UTC)
	:::That's simply not correct, however, unless we mean to deviate from the practice of other wikis which we drew this section from. If so, then we would need a full discussion of our community consenting to such a different usage. By default, it makes sense to do it the same way as it is normally done. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 15:16, May 17, 2019 (UTC)		::::That's simply not correct, however, unless we mean to deviate from the practice of other wikis which we drew this section from. If so, then we would need a full discussion of our community consenting to such a different usage. By default, it makes sense to do it the same way as it is normally done. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 15:16, May 17, 2019 (UTC)
	:::And I fear that would invite confusion if readers who are familiar with multiple wikis come to ours and see the exact same section only for its usage to differ in meaning on a fundamental level. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 15:19, May 17, 2019 (UTC)		::::And I fear that would invite confusion if readers who are familiar with multiple wikis come to ours and see the exact same section only for its usage to differ in meaning on a fundamental level. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 15:19, May 17, 2019 (UTC)

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	::I'm with Jasca on this, in regards to the Sun, and that's why I originally edited its 'Appearances' with the comment about prominency. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 13:35, May 17, 2019 (UTC)		::I'm with Jasca on this, in regards to the Sun, and that's why I originally edited its 'Appearances' with the comment about prominency. [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 13:35, May 17, 2019 (UTC)
	:::That's simply not correct, however, unless we mean to deviate from the practice of other wikis which we drew this section from. If so, then we would need a full discussion of our community consenting to such a different usage. By default, it makes sense to do it the same way as it is normally done. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 15:16, May 17, 2019 (UTC)		:::That's simply not correct, however, unless we mean to deviate from the practice of other wikis which we drew this section from. If so, then we would need a full discussion of our community consenting to such a different usage. By default, it makes sense to do it the same way as it is normally done. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 15:16, May 17, 2019 (UTC)
			:::And I fear that would invite confusion if readers who are familiar with multiple wikis come to ours and see the exact same section only for its usage to differ in meaning on a fundamental level. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 15:19, May 17, 2019 (UTC)

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	:(If this seems nitpicky, try playing a game the rules of which you don't know.) [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 19:31, May 16, 2019 (UTC)		:(If this seems nitpicky, try playing a game the rules of which you don't know.) [[User:Sadelyrate\|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate\|siniath]]) 19:31, May 16, 2019 (UTC)
	:Can you re-read my [[Talk:Sun\|initial explanation]] to you on this entirely? I have already addressed why we use mentions in my very original explanation to you. Given your comment here and your replies there, it seems that you either did not read or have repeatedly misread the explanation given to you. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 21:07, May 16, 2019 (UTC)		:Can you re-read my [[Talk:Sun\|initial explanation]] to you on this entirely? I have already addressed why we use mentions in my very original explanation to you. Given your comment here and your replies there, it seems that you either did not read or have repeatedly misread the explanation given to you. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 21:07, May 16, 2019 (UTC)
			:I should also point out that your comment here confusingly contradicts your comment at the talk page of "Sun". Here, you at the very least acknowledge that I have said that the definition of an ''appearance'' is whether it comes into view of the audience. There, you don't acknowledge this and seem to maintain that if I say something has not ''appeared'', I mean that it has not shown up in spite of the fact I am repeatedly reminding you that this is not the implied meaning at all. [[User:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus\|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 21:14, May 16, 2019 (UTC)