Talk:Desmond Miles

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Added a lot of images and cleaned up the page. [[User:Cyberaltair|Cyberaltair]] 09:40, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Desmond is a modern-day assassin. He says so in one of the first cutscenes, while sitting on the Animus.[[User:BellicoseIntellect|BellicoseIntellect]] 17:11, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Like, BellicoseIntellect said Desmond is a modern day assassin. But to expand on it, he said that he wasn't an assassin anymore indicating that either he knows his past life was an assassin or he was an assassin before the events of the game took place.[[User:Marku uzamaki|Marku uzamaki]] 21:56, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

== Meaning of Assassin ==

Desmond says he was an assassin. It is important to note, however, that this doesn't necessarily mean that he was a killer, but (as becomes readily obvious in the conversations outside of the animus) rather a member of a "tribe" following the traditions of their ancestor assassins.
He says that he ran away when he was younger, saying he thought that they were "Hippies." He never killed anyone. He was still being trained to fight Templars. And something else: What does "Desmond" mean. It might be interesting sinse both Altair and Ezio are "Eagle."--[[User:Werefang|'''Were''']][[User talk:Werefang|'''fang''']] 18:39, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

How does Ranveer2 know that he and Lucy escape Abstergo?
[[User:Toukashi|Toukashi]] 00:48, October 19, 2009 (UTC)
Scratch that. just read the article.
[[User:Toukashi|Toukashi]] 22:25, October 21, 2009 (UTC)

Ezio means "Eagle" , and Altair means "Bird of prey" and Desmond means "from South Munster". [[User:Twomey1993|Twomey1993]] 16:57, November 16, 2009 (UTC)

I've just read somewhere that desmond means man of the world. Any1 find anything similar?

Altair means "The flying one". It has no relation to the word "Bird of Prey" unless you pronounce Altair in a different way in Arabic (the incorrect way) changing the meaning to bird, refernce to the eagle. And the eagle is a bird of prey, that's the only relation between Altair and Bird of Prey. Also Desmond does mean "from South Munster". [[User:Cyberaltair|Cyberaltair]] 09:40, December 22, 2009 (UTC) 
 
To be exact, Desmond means "The World." It would make sense, considering what he's got to go through in the upcoming game! Also, I'd hate to mention Wikipedia, but for the origins of the Assassins, their article on Hashshashin seems accurate enough. [[User:AgentValentine|AgentValentine]] 06:21, February 5, 2010 (UTC)

Can you please tell me what source states that Desmond's name means 'the world'. Cause I checked two different sources. One stating, 'From an Irish surname which was derived from Gaelic Deas-Mhumhan meaning "from south Munster (in Ireland)"'. Another stated something very similar with the meaning 'Man from south Munster'. http://babynamesworld.parentsconnect.com/meaning_of_Desmond.html
http://www.behindthename.com/name/desmond. So if this is correct then we need to remove certain trivia, such as the last added one, where it claims that he's a tragic hero, since his name means the world, which doesn't seem the case to me, and that since AC is about the end of the world.- [[User:Altaïr|Altaïr]] Februari 22, 2010 (UTC)

In Latin, Desmond means "Man of the World." http://baby-names.adoption.com/search/Desmond.html

It seems like Desmond only means "Man from South Munster" in Gaelic. As the game has so much to do with religion and Catholicism, I'd say the Latin meaning is far more likely. You need to check more sources.

He's not a tragic hero though. He does not fit that description. [[User:AgentValentine|AgentValentine]] 13:54, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

Well I have checked two sources, see above. Which is what troubles me. Two sites so far state that it means from Muster, while one says it's latin and means, man from the world. And yeah someone speculated, not me, that he might be tragic hero in the third one, as said above. AC is about the end of the world, and since he's name means world, he/ she states, maybe that means 'the end of Demond', presuming that he might die in the third game. [[User:Altaïr|Altaïr]] Februari 22, 2010 (UTC)

There's more than one site that says his name means Man of the World. I'm holding a book of traditional Catholic baby names (a book that's well over 21 years old) that states his name means "Man of the World" in Latin, and "Son of man from South Munster" in Gaelic. As Desmond has no Gaelic roots, if we have to presume anything, my vote is for the Latin. [[User:AgentValentine|AgentValentine]] 14:29, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

Yes I have found more sites myself that state that the meaning is man of the world, however they all did say that the origin was Celtic, not Latin. Tbh, Desmond doesn't sound like it's Latin. So what I propose is that we leave that the name means 'man of the world' however I think we should change that the origin is Celtic.[[User:Altaïr|Altaïr]] Februari 22, 2010 (UTC)

The Celtic translation is based off the Latin--The Celts were conquered by the Romans, who spoke Latin. If anything, I'd slip Celtic/Latin in there instead of one or the other. Also, I was just reading that Desmond bears another meaning to the Slavic people of East Europe: "All Creation." Goes hand in hand with "The World." [[User:AgentValentine|AgentValentine]] 14:36, February 22, 2010 (UTC) EDIT: Also reading that the Anglo-Saxon meaning for the word is "Gracious Defender."

Well the new description of the meaning of his name is fine by me. Enough sources claimed that his name means 'man of the world' - [[User:Altaïr|Altaïr]] Februari 22, 2010 (UTC)

: I stuck Celtic in there for you, too, since it's impossible to know if the Celts or Romans were the original source of the name meaning. :) [[User:AgentValentine|AgentValentine]] 15:02, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, and if you could check Desmond's early life, if this description suits you better. It's still canon (according to D.Cello) without calling his parents hippies lol - - [[User:Altaïr|Altaïr]] Februari 22, 2010 (UTC)

Desmond means 'Gracious Defender' in several different languages....... The Egyptians and Africans had 'Desmonds' like the Romans had Emperors..... Plus, gracious defender does fit quite well, as the Assassins of Altair's day were dubbed 'The Gracious Defenders' ;-)..... Also, Altair does mean 'Head of the Eagle' or simply 'The Eagle'. However, in some of these baby name websites you get 'The Flying One' for some reason......[[User:EchoAltair|EchoAltair]] 14:56, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

== On Spoiler Alerts ==

I feel as if the section on AC has spoilers too for those who have not yet played the first game (yes, those people still exist). If anyone knows how we should create a template that goes at the top of the page to warn about spoilers. We can look to wikis such as Halopedia for inspiration.

Believe me, I would do it myself but I am unfortunately not that good with creating my own templates using the wiki coding. So if someone could please make one it would be much appreciated. BellicoseIntellect 04:50, November 27, 2009 (UTC)

We already have one. {{spoilerhd}}

But we not classifying it as spoiler anymore. Spoiler refers to plot details about newly released and recent or upcoming media. AC has been out for 3 years already. -- [[User:D. Cello|D. Cello]] 23:42, January 16, 2010 (UTC)

==Handedness==

Are Desmond and his ancestors (Altair and Ezio) ambidextrous? On the loading screens of both games, Altair, Desmond and Ezio are seen standing southpaw, and in the games, the hidden blades that Altair and Desmond use as well as Ezio's first hidden blade (also the poison blade and the pistol) are used by the left hands. Throwing knives were thrown from their left hands but they wielded their swords right-handed. Is this merely coincidence or are the developers trying to establish a link with the gamers, much like how Link from the Zelda series functions?

[[User:H-Man Havoc|H-Man Havoc]] 16:25, December 21, 2009 (UTC)

Well you kinda gave the reason yourself, the reason for the hidden blade being in the left arm is so they would have their right arm for their sword.+ the fact that the ringfinger is cut off and to fight with your sword in a ahnd with only 4 fingers is not so practical I think. I hope that in brotherhood there's some hidden blade+ sword fighting options. [[Special:Contributions/81.11.191.241|81.11.191.241]] 16:43, September 30, 2010 (UTC)

== Concept Art for Assassin's Creed III ==

[[File:Assassins-creedguns.jpg]]

I just found this concept art of Desmond for Assassin's Creed III. Here's the link.

http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2009/12/23/assassins-creed-concept-art-packs-some-heat/

Your most honorable servant,

- '''Beirut'''

Didn't you read the article? It's no artwork, it's fan art. -_- - [[User:Master Sima Yi|Master Sima Yi]] 12:09, December 25, 2009 (UTC)

Imagine him using that to try to kill you lmao. [[User:TitanGunz|TitanGunz]] 00:53, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

==Genes==
"Desmond, like Altair and Ezio, is a born of a bloodline mixed with Assassin and the "Ones Who Came Before" genes."

This is currently in this article's trivia section. Where is it said that they had Those Who Came Before genes? If this were to be true, why didn't Minerva say something along the lines of "you are on of us" when Ezio was in the Vatican Vault? It seems more logical that they were ancestors of Adam and Eve. And somewhere on this wiki it's said that all of them were immune to the Pieces of Eden's powers, which backs it up. [[User:Master Sima Yi|Master Sima Yi]] 12:09, December 25, 2009 (UTC)

:If no true source is given, delete it. -- [[User:D. Cello|D. Cello]] 02:56, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

In one of the Truth Glyphs, Assassins are explained as "born of two worlds" (humans and Gods (Those Who Came Before). And its possible that Ezio is STILL a descendant of Adam and Eve, should they be assassins or something of the like. Not all assassin's were immune to Pieces of Eden. In Masyaf, only Altair and a few other assassins were not affected by the Apple. Being a descendent of Altair, Ezio may be immune (like when he fought Borgia as the Pope) but it may be that he was holding another Piece.
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From the Adam and Eve article:
"If Adam and Eve were in fact immune to the Piece's of Eden then this would mean that Altair and Ezio were descendants of Adam and Eve. This would also mean that Subject 16 is related to Desmond, possibly his father..."

(I was gonna put this on the Adam and Eve discussion page but I put it on a busier one to try and get more feedback, since it applies to a few pages and seemed to fit in with the Gene question.)

Where was it established that there's only one bloodline that can withstand the Pieces? Isn't it still possible that totally unrelated people could be immune? It looks like the immunity can be inherited, but I haven't seen any indication that it has a single source/line.

There's about 400 years between Ezio and Desmond. Even with a (very long) 50-year generation cycle, that's at least 8 generations. That would mean that Desmond has 256 ancestors in Ezio's generation. We don't *know* that Ezio is the only one in Desmond's ancestry descended from Altair, or even that he's one of Altair's descendants at all. Cello, I'm still looking for the webdoc you mentioned. I'm just going to stay a descendant-agnostic until I find it.

16 and Desmond don't have to be closely related at all to both have Ezio's memories. If Ezio (or any of his children) had more than 1 child, then that could be where 16 and Desmond's lines split. If 16's connection to Altair comes from a different direction (like if they're each from different children of Altair) then Ezio and Altair could be their common ancestors through 2 totally separate trees.

Assuming that ANY humans are not descended from Adam and Eve, it's possible that none of the named characters are descended from them. Altair (probably) wasn't using anything like an Animus, so he doesn't have to be related to get the memory/Truth video. But he still saw it and both 16 and Desmond could see it through Altair's memory of it. 16 seems to have more information, so he's probably related to somebody that was involved, but it still wouldn't have to be Adam or Eve.

[[User:Shelkartmarne|Shelkartmarne]] 17:49, December 27, 2009 (UTC)

:You're completelly right. If you don't have a source, doubt it. I believe it was in one of the interviews that french guy gave to gamespot or ign, where he shows the playthorugh and says "In Assassin's Creed II, we play as another of Desmond's Ancestor, like the greatgreatgreatgreatchildren of Altaïr, but this guy is even more badass than Altaïr." But keep your research, if you find otherwise, change the article. =] -- [[User:D. Cello|D. Cello]] 17:58, December 27, 2009 (UTC)

== Hood up ==

Could someone give me proof that when Desmond's hood is up, it resembles a beak? I have searched everywhere for it, but no results have showed up. [[User:Master Sima Yi|Master Sima Yi]] 20:50, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

Xbox Live Avatars? I have seen it in the Avatar Marketplace. [[User:EliteMaster117|EliteMaster117]] 02:40, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

You never see gim with his hood up, you'll just have to look closely. I'll admit, the beak shape on his hood is not as dramatic as Ezio's and is only a little smaller than Altair's. It's there, just find a good angle and look closely. ([[User:J.h.jaraub|J.h.jaraub]] 01:35, January 17, 2010 (UTC))

==D.O.B==
What's the source for his DOB? I don't remember it being mentioned in-game, although I could be mistaken. '''''[[User:Jasca Ducato]]''''' [[User talk:Jasca Ducato|Council Chamber]] [[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato|Assassination record]] 10:10, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

Two. -- [[User:D. Cello|D. Cello]] 16:06, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

At the end of AC: Brotherhood, Juno says he was "...birthed on the 72nd day before the..." I think it was something about artifacts. Did that mean that it was his birthday when he free ran across the Colosseum? [[User:Jackass2009|Jackass2009]] 19:21, February 18, 2011 (UTC)

== looks like ezio and altair? ==

This article (and many others) keeps saying that desmond looks like altair and ezio, why?

I thought it was common knowledge that the animus replaced the ancestors face with the user's, (which is also why on some trailers and art ezio and altair don't look like ther in-game counterparts).

Ezio and altair's REAL faces are never shown in-game, it is shown in some trailers and concept art though (you can see ezio's real face in the mini-movie about his father it actually looks like the face he has in one of the trailers)

However, it seems that this fact is ill-known across the entire wiki, I suggest this issue is adressed.
*The faces you see in-game ''are'' the faces of the characters. I dunno where this "Animus replacing the faces..." rubbish is coming from. The simple fact is that, as decendants of Desmond, the two both share highly similar facail structures. '''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' [[User talk:Jasca Ducato|Council Chamber]] [[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato|Assassination record]] 23:32, March 28, 2010 (UTC)
*Absolutely. What you said make no sense at all, and I'm gonna go ahead and list you the reasons:
#It was never said the Animus replaced the characters face. If so, why not their bodies as well?
#From a genetic/science/biological/pratical point of view, replacing their faces with the users makes no sense at all. It would envolve scanning their faces instead of "reading" a memory. The Animus is a "reader and player of genetic memories". as our little bastard Warren Vidic so politely explains to Desm.
#Ezio is different from Altaïr and Desmond. Altough Desm and Altaïr are almost clones, Desmond and Ezio are very alike, but not exact matches.
#As said above: ''"The simple fact is that, as decendants of Desmond, the two both share highly similar facail structures."'' . They are actually ''ascendants'', but anyway, the statement *is* true.
 
And sign your posts. ;D -- [[User:D. Cello|D. Cello]] 02:41, March 29, 2010 (UTC)

:I just watched Lineage and when I saw that Ezio is the only main character to have different actors in movie and game the first thing I thought was "ah, so the animus replaces the ancestor's face"(it's actually a common way to show a body is possessed by someone else, eg the stargate episodes about mind transfer, so it's a valid theory). There doesn't have to be any scanning involved, it might just seem to Desmond (and the player) to be that way. In that case, anyone who just looked at the recordings would see the ancestor's real face.

:On the other hand, I just remembered about Bloodlines. If I understand correctly(never played it), you actually play as Altaïr, without using the animus. He still seems to look just the same. If this is true, it's probably the easiest way to disprove the whole face-replacing thing. --[[User:N00braz|n00braz]] 09:42, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
::No the fact is that Ezio is the only character who was too young to depict in the movie to have the same actor in the game as well. They needed a younger Ezio, thus a younger actor. That's all there is to it. The other characters could be depicted by the same actors from the game as the age difference they had was still believable for them in the movie. --[[User:Altaïr|Altaïr]] 12:01, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
:::Also, n00braz. In every episode of Stargate Universe (the series I'm assuming you're talking about), the person being possessed doesn't have their face physically changed. The possessed character still looks like he or she would before, we only see the possessor for character reference. So we're still waiting on an example of this so called "common way" to show body possession; which, by the way, isn't what's happening within the Animus, technically. '''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' [[User talk:Jasca Ducato|Council Chamber]] [[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato|Assassination record]] 11:37, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
::: Think about this realistically, all thats happening is Ubisoft recycling character models to save memory
::: space [[User:Darkraider09|Darkraider09]] 15:10, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
::: Darkraider09, why would Ubisoft recycle the same exact face for the three main characters? I'm trying to find the source for this right now, but I fully support the genetics theory. [[Special:Contributions/75.65.53.99|75.65.53.99]] 20:37, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

== Time Period ==

I think if your saying he was born in 1987, you dont have to say what time period he lives inn
*Yes we do. '''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' [[User talk:Jasca Ducato|Council Chamber]] [[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato|Assassination record]] 19:55, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

== Appearance ==

*Ugh, Desmond has a beard in AC:B? Other than that, I really like the subtle (or not so subtle) changes that are making him into the Assassin he was born to be and has become; the tattoo on his left forearm where his Hidden Blade is worn (connection unconfirmed?), the changing of his hoodie, and the red inside to the hoodie. [[Special:Contributions/173.78.243.192|173.78.243.192]] 21:47, September 28, 2010 (UTC)
*Yeah I was a bit surprised by the new changes too, however my biggest thing is wanting to see Desmond with his hood up, or atleast a button combination (not a cheat code, but official "put-the-hood-up" combo) introduced to allow him to have it on during any possible modern freeroam sequences outside the animus in Brotherhood. However, I am curious about something; At the end of AC II we see Desmond get a hidden blade and bracer very much like Giovanni's/Ezio's from AC II, however in Brotherhood, as shown in the picture below, the bracer it's self is missing and only the hidden blade is strapped to his forearm. I'm curious as to what he did with the (rather nice) bracer and why he would simply discard it. Sure the hidden blade is a little more discreet without the bracer, but what do you guys think? [[User:Assassin-Rayne|Assassin-Rayne]] 22:13, September 28, 2010 (UTC)
*Nowadays there are guns that can shoot through reletivly thin pieces of metal. Even if Desmond's eagle vision works the bullet would still go through that bracer. The bracer could be heavy because the animus does not give you muscles. [[User:Blix1ms0ns|Blix1ms0ns]] 20:31, January 25, 2011 (UTC)
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== Desmond's Hidden Blade ==

Ubisoft probably went with a different hidden blade because the one in AC II was just an in-game model of Ezio's because they couldn't come up with a good design. Another possibility is it is the same hidden blade, but Desmond decided to get rid of the bracer because it would have stood out if he ever went on assassination missions. Not to mention Ezio was able to take off the Hidden blade without taking off the bracer during his curb stomping of the Pope.

== Profile picture==
First of all, I like the picture. But it shows Desmond without a beard, and from other images we saw that he does have a beard. So does it depict him correctly? I think we should re-consider what picture we'll use as a profile pic. We can always put the current one in the gallery. -- [[user:Altaïr|Altaïr]] 9:41, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

== Playable Desmond Skin in The Animus ==
If you complete every memory in Sequence 8 with 100% sync, you'll recieve a Desmond costume, for use in the animus.

== ACIII ==

Okay someone added this: "It has been confirmed that there will be a Asssassin's Creed 3 coming and Desmond will be reliving his ancestors memories from the WW2."

Without any reference whatsoever. I always heard WWII was unlikely because all games go there. But i'm not someone to dismiss new onformation easily, butit has to be sourced. So i leave it to others to judge on this. Maybe the author has proof and will proivde it when reading this

[[User:EXistenZ!|EXistenZ!]] 20:06, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

I just sifted through latest news for Assassin's Creed 3, and nothing pops up about WWII being the next setting. Some people ''expect'' that to be so, but I doubt it. It's too cliche. It'll probably be a setting where the church is prominent in its influences to show corruption of power--The 3rd crusade, the Italian Renaissance-- and WWII was more about the main world powers in WWI-Germany, mainly-getting back at their enemies after being forced to pay back damages after surrendering. We have the Holocuast, the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and Pearl Harbor, all of which have nothing to do with faith and religion except the Jewish victims of the Nazis. Where would he/she go? Nazi camps in Poland? Japan? France? The U.S was uneventful at the time as far as fighting was concerned. I doubt they'd go back to Italy. Ooh, what if Desmond's ancestor sees Hitler off himself in his bunker? On 2nd thought, Nazi-occupied France sounds cool......And so do the battles in North Africa. Being a Tuskeegee airmen would be cool, too. A black assassin? That would be a fresh change. Sorry for my ramblings, but all in all, World War II is too hectic for a sneaky assassin to go around shanking people when they have assault rifles and snipers. Unless he'll have a bat like Eli Roth in Inglorious Basterds, hehe.Strang3Happ3nings 18:47, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

== The Beard ==

Can we remove any mention of Desmond's beard in Brotherhood. It looks like it was just a design Ubi were fiddling around with, and never decided to use.

== Gamespot discussion ==

==An Interesting Theory==
Someone on Gamespot just came up with a good theory after beating Brotherhood. At mention of Subject 16 saying "Your son..." to Desmond, someone theorized that we are reliving the memories of Desmond in the game. Are the recordings Sub. 16 leaves behind activated exclusively to Desmond, or could any assassin decode them? I remember his glyphs being unspecified as to who he was talking to in the 2nd one, and he never said Desmond's name, so maybe he's rattling off info to the Assassins he knew would be able to decode his puzzles and find the truth. If so, he could have been talking to Subject 15, who was pregnant. I think Sub. 16's mind is confined to the Apple, personally. Sounds crazy, I know. It tripped me out, but anyone have any evidence to refute this claim? Strang3Happ3nings 00:53, November 24, 2010 (UTC)
*The glyphs were hidden within Desmond's (and 16's) genetic memories, so only the those two would be able to access them. That said, I am personally of the opinion that the feminine voice you hear in the clusters is, in actuality, 16 speaking through the Animus; kinda like, his conciousness is embedded within the genetic memories he has visited. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' [[User talk:Jasca Ducato|Council Chamber]] [[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato|Assassination record]] 00:58, November 24, 2010 (UTC)
*Ah. So he could very well be talking about his ''own'' son, yes? When he says he needs to recharge, I wonder if he's connected to a computer somewhere far away......Like some kind of machine that holds consciences of dead people. Like some kind of afterlife thingy. Any religion goes in the AC Universe. Strang3Happ3nings 01:20, November 24, 2010 (UTC)
*Personally, that was basically the only message I got from "the truth" and the ending- that even when the gamer believes they are out of the animus, they are still in one. The first clue is obviously from subject 16, he refers to the "sun" (solar flare), then he refers to "your son" which he says specifically to Desmond. At first I thought it may have been a reference to the momentarily mentioned pregnant woman, however, the couple lines of dialog at the very end of the game directed me elsewhere. Some unknown male voices are talking, one says "he is going into shock" and "its the animus that did this to him" and the other tells the first to "put him back in", then you hear a third voice struggle to say "no". This extra but of information made me believe that someone is reliving Desmonds memories, and that most likely it is Desmond's son. The final clue I noticed on my second playthrough, subject 16 also said "it is far later than you know", this I thought dramatically reinforces the notion that the whole game takes place inside another animus. I suppose it could be Desmond himself being forced to relive memories by abstergo again, but I do believe that his son is the one doing the reliving, after all he would of course have the DNA required to do so. - Icarus Pariah 1:15, December 23, 2010
*Somehow the "animus within the animus" theory/parts kinda reminds me of controlling a game controller using a robot arm. Pehaps those "animus within animus" parts are just virtual machines. If the "son in the animus theory is correct" then why can't they play the memory in "the son's" animus. Perhaps it is faster viewing and processing that way. [[User:Blix1ms0ns|Blix1ms0ns]] 20:26, January 25, 2011 (UTC)

== Is it cannon? ==

Desmond, in-game, can interact at different intervals with the other Modern day Assassins. Do we consider this to be part of the series cannon? If so should the details of the conversations be put in his Biography?

Also, do we know if picking up the Modren day artefacts is cannon too?[[User:Kam-Sage|Kam-Sage]] 17:59, December 24, 2010 (UTC)
:Cannon go boom! Yes, it is canon. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' [[User talk:Jasca Ducato|Council Chamber]] [[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato|Assassination record]] 03:22, December 25, 2010 (UTC)

== Two men ==

It says that after Desmond stabs Lucy two men put him in the animus again after he goes into shock. Does that mean Abstergo found him again or could it be that Shaun and Rebecca and two other Assassins Put him in the animus after he went into shock and do the assassins know thst ''Juno'' was controlling Desmond?

:If we knew, it would be in the article. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' [[User talk:Jasca Ducato|Council Chamber]] [[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato|Assassination record]] 21:39, December 29, 2010 (UTC) 
The two man are not part of Abstergo since one sayed he is in shock and sayed the animus did this to him which means he was worryed about desmond which mean they can't be part of Abstergo.[[User:Mrgod11234|Mrgod11234]] 22:14, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

== Adam Sandler ==

Has anyone else noticed how much he looks like Adam Sandler? I know he wasn't modeled after him, but still. He looks a lot like him. [[User:Jackass2009|Jackass2009]] 05:41, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

He also looks a bit like Josh Randall, he's not very well known, but google him, you'll see it. [[User:'R BlaiddDdraig|'R BlaiddDdraig]] 06:56, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

At least we know who to cast as Desmond if they ever make an Assassin's Creed movie.

Nothing is true; everything is permitted. 20:46, February 10, 2011 (UTC)

==Desmond's Stability==

Hmm this storyline is ridiculous.

But it is oh so very good.

So on a basis, what do we know for sure here? Is Desmond in a good situation or bad one? Because all we see here is him being chucked (Forced) into the animus.

When are we gonna see some modern day work for at least... say, 2 sequences worth of time?

Also, his Sanity is questionable (As of this moment especially) I dont think its cool to stab your (Allies) Controlled or not.

More on this. [[Special:Contributions/98.14.179.19|98.14.179.19]] 02:17, January 17, 2011 (UTC) Mr.Wise

He is in a bad position for sure, and if you could hear Juno or Jupiter or whatever she's called, she said to stop resisting. Also, there's the possibility that Lucy had her intentions to screw the whole crew over. "She's not who you think she is." [[User:Jackass2009|Jackass2009]] 03:18, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

-I honestly think that the "Lucy traitor" concept is something thatwas implied in the ending to throw us all off, Read the assassins creed the fall comics and you can see that the last time something along the lines of (very loosely along the lines, but still...) desmond's situation happened, that Daniel Cross (Spoilers) almost got romantically involved with Hanna before he killed the Mentor, he also got pretty far into the assassins before his sleeper agent programming activated, so the emails from "William" to lucy could be something of a hint to that incident, especially considering that it has been said that the comics will significantly tie in to the next game, and the assassins could still be weary of a repeat of the past, especially if "William" is Bill Miles, then he would have been close enough to the incident to remember it, and know some of the specifics, honestly though none of the speculations made ever turn out to be true, my guess is probably 100% wrong, as are all the others, but that's why we all love Assassin's Creed, the writers are just that good, the graphics and gameplay are amazing, andings rock, and you always come back asking for more while your thoughts run through in-game conspiracy theories crazier than those of Boyd from the Milkman level of Psychonauts.

== Desmond's Assassin outfit ==

So, what do you think Desmond's Assassin attire'll look like in ACIII? It's most likely just going to be his same white hoodie with the hood up but hey, you never know.

I'm thinking something along the lines of a long white trench coat or a duster with a cowl on the back or something like that. What do you think?

Nothing is true; everything is permitted. 20:43, February 10, 2011 (UTC)

I think it'll be very much the same as it is now. I'm guessing he'll put his hood up, probably recieve a gun, a collapsable asp (like the ones the Abstergo guards carry) that would collapse into an inconspicuous handle to attach to his belt. And probably a few bits and bobs around his waist. Bearing in mind that, presumably, he'll be travelling in public, he can't afford to throw caution to the wind like Ezio and Altair. He'll have to hide his weapons carefully. [[User:RussellSparrow|RussellSparrow]] 22:30, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

Better, It would look like his present attire but ... he would need some sort of close combat type wepon. I personally want a cool collapsable Katana(samurai sword). It could fold into a small handle he could strap to his back. Mabe a silenced pistol type gun (for secrecy). And mabe a heavier gun for a more violent approch. All of this could be consealed by wearing a sleeveless padded jacket. He would probably look like Alex Mercer's beta design from [PROTOTYPE]...And he should have three hidden blades (two on one wrist. Mabe one splits apart). Three hidden blades=Assassins Creed III. 19.54, April 26,2011(UTC)

== Desmond's tattoo ==

Does anyone have a design of Desmond's tattoo on his left arm? Where did it come from? Has it always been there and what does it represent? 4/2/2011 10:55 (UTC)

:No. Tattoo artist. Since before AC1 started. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' [[User talk:Jasca Ducato|Council Chamber]] [[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato|Assassination record]] 13:58, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

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