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Talk:Desmond Miles

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== Nothing about living Connor's memories? ==

Should something be added on stating that at some point Desmond relived Connor's memories using the Animus 3.0? [[User:CrackFoxJunior|CrackFoxJunior]] 16:16, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

It's not needed until more information on AC3 is announced, particularly Desmond gameplay. [[User:Slate Vesper|Slate Vesper]] 16:18, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

== Infobox image ==

Copypaste, since the other got archived mid-discussion.

Since some of the character pages like Ezio or [[Altaïr Ibn-La'Ahad|Altaïr]] had their images reverted from their latest look in games to the ones that they're most commonly associated with, should Desmond's image be changed back to his previous appearance image, without a beard and in the Brotherhood clothes? --[[User:-S-|Kainzorus Prime]] [[User talk:-S-|Walkie-talkie]] 18:32, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

Personally I would prefer the older image because the ACR one looks like Desmond saw a ghost. Do you think this should be put to a vote or is this too trivial topic to warrant such a thing. -- ► '''''[[User:Kaloneous|Kaloneous]]''''' ◄[[User talk:Kaloneous| ♣HelpDesk♣]] 18:40, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

I'd put it on a vote, lest someone would rage about it. --[[User:-S-|Kainzorus Prime]] [[User talk:-S-|Walkie-talkie]] 18:57, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

More then likely the image will be changed for the AC3 one so it would only be a short term thing anyways. -- ► '''''[[User:Kaloneous|Kaloneous]]''''' ◄[[User talk:Kaloneous| ♣HelpDesk♣]] 19:10, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

:The only reason Altaïr and Ezio got the appearances ''they are depicted as in the Encyclopedia'' is because their stories are finished, they won't get any more new appearances. Desmond will surely look like this in ''AC3'' which is why we are using this render. -- [[User:Master Sima Yi|Master Sima Yi]] [[User talk:Master Sima Yi|Clogs]] [[w:c:marvel-cinematic-universe|Marvel Studios]] 19:16, June 10, 2012 (UTC)
::The current image is fine. --{{Signature/Jasca Ducato}} 20:17, June 10, 2012 (UTC)
::Current image's fine, until Ubisoft has a new one for ACIII.. --{{User:Vatsa1708/sig}} 02:17, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

:::Fair's fair. --[[User:-S-|Kainzorus Prime]] [[User talk:-S-|Walkie-talkie]] 19:17, June 12, 2012 (UTC)

==Name etymology==

The trivia section says "Desmond" is a "Celtic" name meaning "the world"/"man of the world". I don't think this is true, especially because 'Celtic' isn't a language. My understanding is that it's originates from the Irish language surname Ó Deasmumhan (Oh Dasmoon) or similar meaning "from South of Munster". I don't want to remove it immediately because maybe I am incorrect here but does anybody have a source for "the world" that gives proper detail? Preferably one that isn't a baby-names site where they make up the etymology?

I believe there is an Old Irish word 'domun' (modern Irish and Scottish Gaelic 'domhan') which looks similar but that probably would have sounded like "dow-un" or "doon". I know it's a fairly minor point (although you might point out that both Desmond and Connor (that extra n is so American) are both Irish language names). [[Special:Contributions/86.41.22.0|86.41.22.0]] 00:34, October 20, 2012 (UTC)
:it is a Gaelic name meaning Man of the World. Where such meaning comes from can be determined by those who study linguistics but it is a commonly referred to meaning. {{User:Kaloneous/sig}} 14:24, October 21, 2012 (UTC)
::I don't think it is the commonly referred to meaning. Wikipedia and wiktionary for Desmond supports its meaning as referring to South Munster as does Behindthename and quite a few other sites. It seems like "Desmond" to mean "of the world" is a bogus pop etymology which tries to read it as French "des monde" which clearly makes no sense for an Irish name. The only places that give a supported etymology agree that it means South Munster - moreover its links to Thomond and Ormond meaning North Munster and East Munster respectively. I think there's way more of case here for "from south Munster" than "Man of the World" (which seems pretty bogus given the modern Irish equivalents, I don't think Irish vocabulary has changed that much since Middle Irish) [[Special:Contributions/86.41.33.100|86.41.33.100]] 17:09, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

::lol, looking at your ip address I can see we are not to far apart geographically so I understand the logic of what you are saying. I'm sorry I don't have the link for this but it was a Ubisoft developer working on the series that first explained his name in that way. They looked at it from a world view rather than the way we (correctly or not) look at it from its origins in Gaelic. {{User:Kaloneous/sig}} 17:31, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

::Well if that was their intended meaning then I suppose that's fair enough even if I think it might have been a mistake. [[Special:Contributions/86.44.194.199|86.44.194.199]] 01:40, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

::Des (of) Mond (world). Seems similar to french if you ask me. [[User:CRRPGMykael|CRRPGMykael]] ([[User talk:CRRPGMykael|talk]]) 16:13, November 4, 2012 (UTC)

=='''Desmond forgets some details'''==
In Desmond's journey, we learn that Desmond knew Abstergo is a Templar's society. But in Assassin's Creed, Desmond was amazed when Lucy said he was a templar's hostage.[[User:Francesco75|Francesco75]] ([[User talk:Francesco75|talk]]) 14:15, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

:Same thing as with the fact he tells her he didn't use his real name before, but when Abstergo agent addresses him by it in Desmond's Journey, he immediately confirms it. --[[User:Kainzorus Prime|Kainzorus Prime]] [[User talk:Kainzorus Prime|Walkie-talkie]] 14:22, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

::Well, Desmond believed that his parents were conspiracy theorist concerning Abstergo and the Templar. It was one of the reason why he decided to run from the compound and make his own life. Note, that his parents did not explicitly state that Abstergo was a templar front - they kept most of the truth from him - which was another frustrating reason why he decided to run from the nutjobs.

::'''Desmond:''' ''So this was it. The global conspiracy, Abstergo. Fingers in every pie. Governments. Corporations. Universities. Mom and dad made it sound so scary. But it didn't FEEL scary. An enemy has to have a face. But all I could see was a bottle of painkillers. [[User:Dinale|Dinale]] ([[User talk:Dinale|talk]]) 14:28, October 21, 2012 (UTC)''

:::Yes, it is possible that Desmond did not believe in the link between the two because he thought his parents were nuts, or he simply already forgot all about it by that point. As for his name, it's most likely a retcon, but if you want to look for a canonically correct explanation it would be that Desmond didn't use his name to sign anything or on any other official document that could be traced back to him, but did simply go by his own name among friends and other people. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 15:15, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

Why can't it let me edit this page? I just finished ACIII and I have all the pictures for the ending sequence with Desmond. I really want to edit this because the game came out already and nothing has been edited yet!
[[User:Stepm844|Stepm844]] ([[User talk:Stepm844|talk]]) 02:51, October 31, 2012 (UTC)

:And I bet all your pictures are of horrible console quality. Plus no spoilers are allowed yet. --[[User:Kainzorus Prime|Kainzorus Prime]] [[User talk:Kainzorus Prime|Walkie-talkie]] 02:54, October 31, 2012 (UTC)

== Something's wrong with the infobox ==

Desmond did not die, but the infobox on the page says he did. --Gauzz Rifle

You'll see...just play to the ending. [[User:The Supreme Diamond-Hooded Eagle|Whackimus Prime]]

== Knock Out? ==
Are You Sure He Died Did He Just Got Knocked Out? Its ?Ubisolf Planning On Another Assassin's Cree Game Just Like How They Did Assassin's Creed II A New Assassin or The End Desmond Did Kill The Templars And Vidic Maybe Others Are Still Out There i Wanna to See More Connor Kenway {{Unsigned|ZombieLionel}}
:Yes, he died. Juno and Minerva pointed that out as well. Alex and others confirmed numerous times that ''Assassin's Creed III'' would be the end of Desmond's story. There will be more games, with a different protagonist. And yes, Desmond killed Vidic, Daniel and a lot of Abstergo agents. They are ''a lot'' more Templars out there, and as you could hear William say, their deaths would barely have made an impact on the Templar Order. The Assassins and Templars will never be gone; even if you kill them all, their ideologies will live on, and new members will arise. As for Connor ('''''not''''' Kenway), we may see more of him, with a different protagonist. It's already speculated that there's another person inside the Animus at the end, with that unknown man talking. Even though at the end Connor is pretty much crippled and can't do much anymore. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 20:46, November 1, 2012 (UTC)
::How is Connor crippled? Do you mean physically or figuratively? If it's the ladder, then I understand. The Revolution is done and over with, and now the Americans can deal with their problems on their home soil, e.g, the Natives, the slaves, laws and policies....[[User:TranquilTempest|''TranquilTempest'']][[User_talk:TranquilTempest|Qu'est-ce que c'est?]] 21:16, November 1, 2012 (UTC)
:::Yes, physically. In the final missions Connor has a lot of trouble walking because of his wound. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 21:17, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

:::They never actually said it would kill him.They tiptoed around that word.All we know about the "pedestal" is that when Desmond touched it It released Juno.Besides It wouldnt be the first time someone has died and come back as a program or something. [[Special:Contributions/69.138.40.134|69.138.40.134]] 03:12, November 3, 2012 (UTC)
:::Juno said it would be painless. If she came outright and told him, "Your ''death'' will be painless", then Desmond would have said "Forget this!"...And Sima, I saw what you were talking about....I guess it never really healed properly, but I don't see how it would affect his ability to walk...Well, anyway, Connor is done as an Assassin unless he finds the Shroud and heals his ailment. He was the Assassin's prize stallion; what do you do with a lame horse? You retire it, or you kill it. Now he's like Achilles. [[User:TranquilTempest|''TranquilTempest'']][[User_talk:TranquilTempest|Qu'est-ce que c'est?]] 03:23, November 3, 2012 (UTC)
:::I suspect he'll get better (Monty Python, anyone? No? Tough crowd, you Yanks). Now, all jokes aside, I suspect he'll be resurrected via Juno or a machine down there. Just call it a feeling. If not, I wouldn't be ''terribly'' surprised. It's not uncommon for game-makers to build up your hopes, with a "oh, yeah, come on home after all of this" kinda chat with the pops (voiced by John De Lancie, who shares my hometown and usually plays an awesome, if somehow bizarre villain). That said, it didn't ''feel'' dead to me? If that makes any sense? Also, I suspect one of the DLC packs will related to it, in the same way we had the DLC pack for Revelations that surrounded going through... Subject 16, if I recall? Can't recall perfectly, too long ago. [http://sgtng.wikia.com/wiki/User:13621 Karl "13621" Mjolnir] 07:47, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

::::Personally, I think a more likely outcome is he'll get Clay'd - and come back as a virtual construct inside the Animus for the next guy to meet. The glowing arm tattoo at the end of Revelations wasn't mentioned for this reason I believe. --[[User:Kainzorus Prime|Kainzorus Prime]] [[User talk:Kainzorus Prime|Walkie-talkie]] 10:21, November 3, 2012 (UTC)
::::Even though it happened, I can't believe Ubisoft went that route. The whole "perpetual cycle broken by a savior's sacrifice" is just cliche considering a game that was released earlier this year.
::::Not to mention it throws canonicity to the wind, and it makes training Desmond look like a complete waste. [[User:Slate Vesper|Slate Vesper]] ([[User talk:Slate Vesper|talk]]) 10:40, November 3, 2012 (UTC)
::::It actually makes a little bit of sense. 1. They said this was the end of his story. I'd hoped they meant everything was wrapped up in this game, but considering they said they'd make more, I shouldn't have. 2. needs some explaination. The Mayan calender "ending" is actually something like the turn of a millenia is for us. While I have found any evidence for this in a quick look, someone, somewhere, has said the Mayans believed that the date 12/21 2012 would be the end of a cycle, and the beginning of a new one, with a rebirth kind of thing as well. Which Ubisoft used in the ending. However, I agree that I had hoped to see more of Desmond after this game, and that it wastes his training. [[Special:Contributions/96.255.70.94|96.255.70.94]] 03:09, November 6, 2012 (UTC)

Connor is crippled? Hmm I suspect when he heals from his injury he might end up like Achilles with a cain. He will probably retire and sire the next ancestor. Forsaken is supposed to end his story with who he has children with and when he dies. I think Desmond will show up possibly in holographic form like the First Civ people, Ubisoft likes to mindfuck and he´ll help the next protagonist save the world . [[User:Kryptonian25|Kryptonian25]] ([[User talk:Kryptonian25|talk]]) 13:49, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

Desmond will probably, as Kain and Krypto says, become the next 16. But whatever happened to lay? And who will Connor train now? [[User:The Supreme Diamond-Hooded Eagle|Hoodie]]

:So let me get it straight: Desmond was barbecued, Connor is crippled, William and co. escaped from the [[Grand Temple]], the revolution ended, the world was saved, and [[Juno]] is the new ruler of the world?!

:Thanks a lot, Ubisoft, you noobs! Crappy ending... -_- -- '''[[User:Ilan xd|ILan]] ([[User talk:Ilan xd|XD]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ilan xd|Edits]] • [[w:c:rockstargames|Home]] )''' 14:46, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

::"But you will be destroyed!" "It will happen in an instant. There will be no pain." How exactly do that not refer to death? This is his last game, his story is closed. They won't drag him on, they have said this numerous times. How exactly would he become an AI construct in the Animus after he is dead? Clay copied his consciousness, turned it into an AI and placed it in the Animus somehow ''before'' his death, it didn't magically happen afterwards. And Juno doesn't rule anything yet. We haven't see her get out of the temple even. If something is not seen in the games, it may just as well not have happened. I suppose the new overarching modern day plot will now be Juno trying to take over humanity, replacing the solar flare plot. I don't know why people just think that she walks out of that temple and bam, she automatically rules the world like there's no effort involved. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 15:13, November 3, 2012 (UTC)
::I still wonder one thing, though. Didn't Ubi say that they'd develop and explain more of Clay in AC3? Pretty much almost no mention at all of him. [[User:The Supreme Diamond-Hooded Eagle|The Supreme Diamond-Hooded Eagle]] ([[User_talk:User:The Supreme Diamond-Hooded Eagle|Hey!]]) 15:19, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

I wouldn´t rule everything Simi, he touched the orb he could have very well transferred his consciousness into there and become part of the Grand Temple. [[User:Kryptonian25|Kryptonian25]] ([[User talk:Kryptonian25|talk]]) 16:20, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

That's not transferring his consciousness into the Animus. And uh, nope, they didn't say they were gonna expand more on Clay. I know that they wanted his story to have ended in ''Revelations''. Clay is dead, his AI consciousness copy is destroyed. He's gone. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 16:21, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

Sima, maybe he didn't transfer his consciousness by magic to the Animus, but some one DID find a way to upload Desmond's memories (atleast Connor's memories) to the Cloud. If they have Dez memories, then they have his consciousness, "What is a man but the sum of his memories?" [[User:Assassinchicken|Assassinchicken]] ([[User talk:Assassinchicken|talk]]) 14:41, November 15, 2012 (UTC)

==Assassin's creed 3==
Should we not add the Assassin's creed 3 information to the arcticle?[[User:Templar king|Templar king]] ([[User talk:Templar king|talk]]) 21:14, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

:All in due time. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 16:32, November 4, 2012 (UTC)

== Rebirth? ==

At The End He Said Rebirth Chances of coming Back Reborn in The Future? and Plans For Another Assassin's Creed III Like Brotherhood?

:We do know at least one POE that does resurrrection: the Ankh, though it says it's temporary. Could there be one that isn't? Just speculating here. [[User:Nixeu|Nixeu]] ([[User talk:Nixeu|talk]]) 17:05, November 5, 2012 (UTC)

"We can rebuild him, we have the technology." --[[User:Kainzorus Prime|Kainzorus Prime]] [[User talk:Kainzorus Prime|Walkie-talkie]] 02:14, November 5, 2012 (UTC)

Kain, you're hilarious. XD [[User:TranquilTempest|''TranquilTempest'']][[User_talk:TranquilTempest|Qu'est-ce que c'est?]] 02:19, November 5, 2012 (UTC)

:I have my moments. --[[User:Kainzorus Prime|Kainzorus Prime]] [[User talk:Kainzorus Prime|Walkie-talkie]] 02:22, November 5, 2012 (UTC)

:That joke is seriously old, but I'll pitch in with "I'll be back" surely you know the reference... [[User:SupremeAssassin|''Supreme Master Assassin'']][[User_talk:SupremeAssassin|O Mentoras]] 22:29, November 5, 2012 (UTC)
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:One big question... how can Conor's memories be relived if Desmond is dead? The Ending pointed Juno as the enemy. AC IV will probably be about Juno enslaving the world. I hope Desmond isn't gone forever. But how can Conor's memories be relived after Desmond's death? [[User:EagleAssassin13|EagleAssassin13]] ([[User talk:EagleAssassin13|talk]]) 22:40, November 5, 2012 (UTC)

:The Animus was hacked, and someone was playing the memories of Connor. You can hear a man talking about how the animus is well hacked and they need to use "pivots" to find anothers... Personaly, I think Erudito did this, but we don't know yet. diogosanto (not registered in this website)

== Confirmation of Death? ==

Just wondering why the wiki says he's dead. Do we actually know if he is dead or not? All we saw was him collapse onto the floor. He could just have easily been unconscious, and not even Juno states that he is dead. At the end of Brotherhood, Lucy was only seen collapsing, and until Revelations was released, and her death was confirmed, the wiki did not assume she was dead. Am I missing something? Because if not I think we should wait until Ubisoft confirms his status before assuming anything. [[User:CrackFoxJunior|CrackFoxJunior]] ([[User talk:CrackFoxJunior|talk]]) 23:05, November 7, 2012 (UTC)

:There is a quote, just before, that says he is dead, literally. Even if he got Clay'd he is dead. The quote I believe from Juno says "Your death will be painless". Then a bit later, he touches the orb, goes through all that, and falls to the floor. Gone, dead, lifelss, whatever word you like. Confirmation is here. [[User:EmeraldCorruption|EmeraldCorruption]] ([[User talk:EmeraldCorruption|talk]]) 23:42, November 7, 2012 (UTC)

::Minerva's words are: "If you free her, you will be destroyed." Which seems more like a warning to humanity rather than just Desmond. [[User:CrackFoxJunior|CrackFoxJunior]] ([[User talk:CrackFoxJunior|talk]]) 18:51, November 8, 2012 (UTC)

:::Then, Juno says it will be quick and painless, and yeah, they never say he will die. Believe what you will, but there is enough evidence to say that he is dead, so it should stay. [[User:EmeraldCorruption|EmeraldCorruption]] ([[User talk:EmeraldCorruption|talk]]) 23:22, November 8, 2012 (UTC

::::I don't really see how him falling to the floor is enough evidence, but fair enough, I shan't argue further. {{Unsigned|CrackFoxJunior}}

:::::There is nothing that even implies that he is not dead. Whereas the same cannot be said vice versa. "But you will be destroyed!" "It will happen in an instant. There will be no pain." Unless evidence is provided that points out the contrary - seeing as this is basically what is put in our hands - we aren't going to change it. And even if the theorists (I am really starting to dislike 'game theorists ever since the ''Mass Effect 3'' fiasco) that Desmond's consciousness magically transferred into the eye (for god knows what purpose), his body is still dead, silly as it sounds. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 19:04, November 9, 2012 (UTC)

:::::To be honest, I wasn't even suggesting any sort of theory, I hate the indoctination theory for Mass Effect 3, too. And I definitely hate the idea of Desmond's consciousness being tranfered to the eye. I wasn't asking that the information was changed to "Desmond is still alive" or "Desmond is not dead", just that his exact fate was unknown. I don't have proof that he's still alive because I'm not trying to prove that he's still alive. The ending was just a little too vague and too brief (not even a goodbye from Shaun or Rebecca), which confuses me, I suppose. Same thing happened to a lot of ME3 fan's, which explains all theories. Regardless of that mini-rant I just gave, as I said, I won't argue the case further, I just wanted to clarify I wasn't suggesting he '''was''' alive anymore than that he '''wasn't. '''[[User:CrackFoxJunior|CrackFoxJunior]] ([[User talk:CrackFoxJunior|talk]]) 23:14, November 9, 2012 (UTC)

:::::Just a question, if he continues reliving Connor's memories after the "death", then how do we know he is dead? -- [[User:IlMualim|'''IlMualim''']] [[User Talk:IlMualim|Wanna Chat?]] 18:01, November 10, 2012 (UTC)

::::::That is a question you can ask the ''Revelations'' ending as well, and it is likely not Desmond in the Animus anymore because you can hear another, unknown person talking. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 18:04, November 10, 2012 (UTC)

::::::From the looks of it I missed something. What talking? What person? I didn't hear anything. -- [[User:IlMualim|'''IlMualim''']] [[User Talk:IlMualim|Wanna Chat?]] 18:06, November 10, 2012 (UTC)
::::::It was just after the last epilogue mission. I'm a little confused too, since the achievement/trophy that appears is "Fin", and yet it's still showing the events of Connor's life. Then again, it could be "fin" for "end of American Revolution"... :/ [[User:Slate Vesper|Slate Vesper]] ([[User talk:Slate Vesper|talk]]) 18:10, November 10, 2012 (UTC)

::::::Yeah, I just did that last bit. What's with this pivot stuff? Does it reveal more after that? -- [[User:IlMualim|'''IlMualim''']] [[User Talk:IlMualim|Wanna Chat?]] 18:28, November 10, 2012 (UTC)

::::::I'm pretty sure that the continued free roam in Revelations is non-canon- Desmond must have relived everything before he woke from his coma. Considering that after the credits roll, no more primary memories are available, post game free roam is just for gameplay purposes. As for AC3, someone must be reliving Connor's memories, as the epilogue has it's own unique cutscenes that appear as primary memories. Who exactly will probably be revealed in DLC. Don't think it's Desmond, though. [[User:CrackFoxJunior|CrackFoxJunior]] ([[User talk:CrackFoxJunior|talk]]) 01:15, November 11, 2012 (UTC)
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As everything we know so far gives us the impression that he's dead shouldn't we just say that he's dead until we see evidence that he's not? [[User:Gboy4|Gboy4]] ([[User talk:Gboy4|talk]]) 19:46, November 13, 2012 (UTC)
: I think that "if you free her - you'll be destroyed" and "It will happen in an instant. There will be no pain" seems very concrete to me seeing as the earth and none of it's people were instantly destroyed after Desmond did it--[[User:Gboy4|Gboy4]] ([[User talk:Gboy4|talk]]) 22:42, November 14, 2012 (UTC)

He's dead? Maybe. He's alive? Maybe. We don't have a confirmation either way at this time. Sure, it is suggested he'd drop dead, but death isn't the setback it used to be in the ACverse. So no actual statement about him being dead can be made in the article at this time. --[[User:Kainzorus Prime|Kainzorus Prime]] [[User talk:Kainzorus Prime|Walkie-talkie]] 22:48, November 14, 2012 (UTC)

I don't really think we should present this based on theories that currently have little to no evidence, because by that logic shouldn't we do the same with Warren Vidic? It is possible to survive getting shot in the head, maybe he's actually in a coma.--[[User:Gboy4|Gboy4]] ([[User talk:Gboy4|talk]]) 22:58, November 14, 2012 (UTC)

*sigh* This is ACB ending all over again. A whole year fighting over if Lucy's dead or not. So yeah, maybe Desmond's dead, maybe his body's dead but his mind isn't, maybe he just fainted and entered another coma, maybe he didn't even fell into a coma and he's just unconscious, there's no way to tell until the next AC is released, IF they decide to mention Desmond at all. There is really no hint that indicates that his body is alive, but then again, this is AC we're talking about. So, is Bruce Wayne dead or was it just another of Alfred's dreams? [[User:Assassinchicken|Assassinchicken]] ([[User talk:Assassinchicken|talk]]) 05:45, November 15, 2012 (UTC)
I'm really starting to regret starting this topic here. Let's face it- The AC endings have never made sense, even Revelations left us with more questions than answers. Besides, Ubisoft will either confirm his death or refuse to answer the question. As for Vidic, Shaun confirms his death not in an email to Desmond (can't remember what it said exactly). [[User:CrackFoxJunior|CrackFoxJunior]] ([[User talk:CrackFoxJunior|talk]]) 16:29, November 15, 2012 (UTC)

Confirmed dead in AC Encyclopedia, second edition. [[User:SPARTAN-501|SPARTAN-501]] ([[User talk:SPARTAN-501|talk]]) 01:54, November 16, 2012 (UTC)

That's all I wanted. Thanks. [[User:CrackFoxJunior|CrackFoxJunior]] ([[User talk:CrackFoxJunior|talk]]) 21:04, November 16, 2012 (UTC)

:Can you show us a picture of the respective page? -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 21:09, November 16, 2012 (UTC)

== Desmond's Lineage ==

I was under the impression that Desmond's genes were second to none and that if something similar happend again to the Earth, to me, it seems Desmond's genes held the answer and passing them down a line of children would be critial in saving the world again, if it needed saving in that same manor again. So thingy is, with no child of Desmond's, who will they go to in AC4? Because for a time during Reveltion's I misunderstood and thought someone was living Desmond's memories to see how the world was saved that time. But I was wrong and am just wondering if any child of Desmond's exists. ([[User:Harlan1500|Harlan1500]] ([[User talk:Harlan1500|talk]]) 09:09, November 14, 2012 (UTC))

:As William said in ''Revelations'', "But what he has is rare. His genes contain high concentrations of First Civilization DNA. Only about one in ten million are so lucky." That leaves about 70 people alive with similar doses of First Civilization genes as Desmond. Not to mention that this "Eve" is probably as important as Desmond is. And no, there was never ''any'' indication that Desmond's memories were being relived and no, he has no known children else that would be on his page. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 09:23, November 14, 2012 (UTC)

::I always thought Desmond had to find 'Eve' and that they'd have a child that would save the world, but my speculation was dead wrong. I was justing thinking maybe he'd had a one-night-stand but that "Only about ten million are so lucky" thing is a stretch. Thanks! ([[User:Harlan1500|Harlan1500]] ([[User talk:Harlan1500|talk]]) 09:35, November 14, 2012 (UTC))

:::The series hasn't ended yet, we do not yet know what the future may bring. I'm sure we will finally see this "Eve" soon enough, and I don't think this is the last we've heard from Desmond. And if ''AC1'' already started in September, the world would go down in December, and a usual pregnancy takes nine months, I don't think them having a child would have accounted for much. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 09:48, November 14, 2012 (UTC)
::::To be perfectly honest, I don't believe Desmond's story has ended yet. If my theory about Desmond's consciousness surviving his physical death (thanks in part to a merging of his and 16's at the end of ''Revelations'') holds true, it would serve to explain the existence of the [[The Tyranny of King Washington]] DLC that is being released. Yes, I'm aware they have publicly said the DLC will be non-canon, but who knows. --{{Signature/Jasca Ducato}} 12:43, November 14, 2012 (UTC)

I do agree its not the last we´ve seen of Desmond I think Nolan might be willing to voice him even as a secondary character. [[User:Kryptonian25|Kryptonian25]] ([[User talk:Kryptonian25|talk]]) 19:54, November 14, 2012 (UTC)

==Auroras==

Who keeps writing that the auroras protected the Earth? The auroras are products of minor solar flares, they're not some type of blast shield against the solar flares. Even if you don't have this knowledge (or common sense), the same auroras appeared in ACR when the Earth was roasted, and it wasn't protected. I write this because I saw it on this page and Juno's, who knows where else. Once again, no one knows exactly how the world was saved, but it WASN'T A COLORFUL BLAST SHIELD AROUND THE EARTH, it's just products of the minor solar flares, it happens all the time in the poles. [[User:Assassinchicken|Assassinchicken]] ([[User talk:Assassinchicken|talk]]) 00:31, November 15, 2012 (UTC)
:You're joking, right? Did you actually watch the final video? --{{Signature/Jasca Ducato}} 01:00, November 15, 2012 (UTC)

:-_- This is exatly what I mean when I mention "common sense". The aurora didn't appear because of the Desmond-touching-the-pedestal-then-seems-like-dying-but-you-never-know-with-Ubisoft, it appeared because that's what solar flares do. That's what happens in the poles. Solar dust is seen crashing in Earth's atmosphere, creating the auroras. The aurora isn't protecting anyone from anything, it's just a spectacle created by the minor solar flares. You can see the aurora in ACR's ending, yet everyone burned, so it's not protecting anyone. Besides, it's not like Earth didn't suffer anything. "Eyewitnesses describe electrical storms and erratic displays of unusual weather... residents being asked to remain inside and wait for... geological surveys are now reporting seismic activity throughout the ring of fire... northeastern Canada is said to be experiencing the largest... satellites and transformers are failing as THE SOLAR FLARE ICREASES IT'S INTENSITY" , volcanic activities, earthquakes, but nothing too big, wich means Desmond-touching-the-pedestal-then-seems-like-dying-but-you-never-know-with-Ubisoft somehow reduced the solar flare effects, it did not create a colorful blast shield around the earth. [[User:Assassinchicken|Assassinchicken]] ([[User talk:Assassinchicken|talk]]) 01:54, November 15, 2012 (UTC)

:Did you watch the credits, or read what the reporter was saying or anything? Sure you mentioned that bit, but that was before the greenish glow. I understood what it was you were saying, sure, all scientifically speaking, but the reporter mentions the glow as some sort of magnetic field thing around the Earth, or something in that category. He also follows with saying things like 'seismic activity is still occurring but nowhere near the levels from before' (not exact words). Just releasing Juno would have done absolutely nothing to save the world. [[User:EmeraldCorruption|EmeraldCorruption]] ([[User talk:EmeraldCorruption|talk]]) 04:29, November 15, 2012 (UTC)

:Those quotes are from after that "greenish glow". The reporter said nothing about a magnetic field, he just said that there was a global aurora, the same happened when TWCB died and the same would've happened if Desmond decided not to touch the pedestal (except everyone would've died, but the aurora would still be there). I don't get hoy people believe it was some sort of colorful shield, when neither the reporter nor Juno nor anyone stated that was true. Nothing stated actually suggest that. And I'm not saying that releasing Juno saved the world, but the Grand Temple somehow did, releasing Juno at the same time. So like I said, If a solar flare hits us right now, we would see that global aurora, Desmond or no Desmond, Juno or no Juno, technology from acient civilizations or not. A global aurora saving the world is nothing but speculation based on absolutely nothing. [[User:Assassinchicken|Assassinchicken]] ([[User talk:Assassinchicken|talk]]) 05:15, November 15, 2012 (UTC)

:Ok then, science everything up, but find me an explanation otherwise first that explains why the Earth was saved. There isn't enough evidence even in what you say to counter the fact that Earth is still around after the flare. Also, if you look at the video from Revelations, the Aurora is literally an Aurrora, swirling about like a green Northern Lights in the sky. Here, it is a giant orb around Earth with no breaks. With what you say it must either be super thick or simply incorrect in this case. What else kept Earth alive? What stopped the seismic activity? What is Salvation then, the sixth option for saving the world? What was the purpose of touching the pedestal if nothing happened and Juno was let out? Seriously, I get your points, but it is honestly the only evident solution right now, and everyone that beat the game saw it. [[User:EmeraldCorruption|EmeraldCorruption]] ([[User talk:EmeraldCorruption|talk]]) 23:42, November 15, 2012 (UTC)

:Dude, you're not getting it. He's not saying that Desmond didn't save the world, just that the auroras had nothing to do with it. They were simply the affect of the mitigated solar flares. As to how exactly the flares were mitigated, we were given clues throughout the unlocking of the door: Juno said that the process to make the towers to protect the earth had been automated, and that she had taken interest in that idea. She also mentions how she stayed alive when she talks about digital trancendance but mentions that to come back out of the computer required "something more. Something wrong." A sacrifice? So what we can assume happened when Desmond touched the pedestal is that his life force freed Juno, and then Juno activated the towers on her own, something she obviously couldn't do while trancended. Also, I'm shocked at anyone who expected a happy ending for Desmond's story, and doesn't realize how this ending opens up a totally different modern world. Will Abstergo serve Juno, or fight her? Does that mean Abstergo and the Assassins will be fighting her together, then? What of Eurudito? Will they play a larger role?[[Special:Contributions/70.71.240.170|70.71.240.170]] 00:23, November 16, 2012 (UTC)

:I never said he was saying Desmond didn't save the world, mate, I said that according to his statement, the pedestal didn't do much. By the way, the towers were scrapped by TWCB, if you payed attention, they didn't have time. The something more, something wrong thing wouldn't have done anything here to save anything. The towers were incompleted, they didn't even finish the first one, Juno just got out, nothing more. What saved Earth then, if not the so called shield/aurora? [[User:EmeraldCorruption|EmeraldCorruption]] ([[User talk:EmeraldCorruption|talk]]) 00:59, November 16, 2012 (UTC)

:1) The aurora in Revelations is there as product of the solar flare but in AC3 is there to save the Earth? fail.
:2) There is no evidence at all that even suggests that the aurora saved the world.
:3) In both Revelations and AC3, they are literally auroras. If ACR's aurora wasn't the same "global magical shield", then we wouldn't be able to see an aurora in New York.
:4) The pedestal DID do much, I never stated otherwise, it saved the world in an unknown way. I believe it had to do something with the calculations of existance Minerva talked about, but no so sure, so scratch that.
:5) The pedestal somehow reduced the flare, it did not stop it, hence the minor volcanic activities and earthquakes. Don't you think that if a colorful shield came out of nowhere the Earth would be intact?
:6) The aurora is also shown in Minerva's explanaition on how the world would've ended, which means that the aurora is nothing more than a spectacle created by the solar flare.
:7) The reporter says that it seems like a "global aurora borealis". That doesn't mean it;s not an aurora, it just means that is not an Aurora Borealis, because it's obvious. If it's global, it can't be borealis.
:8) I'm giving you all these facts and you're based on nothing more than speculation. [[User:Assassinchicken|Assassinchicken]] ([[User talk:Assassinchicken|talk]]) 01:47, November 16, 2012 (UTC)

{{Wiki|Aurora borealis}} does not protect the Earth from solar activity. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 21:07, November 16, 2012 (UTC)

== Death ==

I really don't like the fact that they killed him off. I think they should've kept him alive for a fourth one. One where you don't relive his ancestors memories, you just play as him to take down Juno.

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Desmond also has a scar on his mouth. Look closer.

== Pronunciation ==

How do you pronounce his LAST name?

It's pronounced (la-ah-ha-d)

How do you pronounce his name?-- 02:39, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

It is pronounced like "all-tie-ear".

Isn't it pronounced as "All-tha-ear"? It has even come to my attention that some characters in the game pronounce it as "All-Tha-Air". It depends on the character I think. Desmond seems to pronounce it more with "ear" in the back, while some Arabic characters, pronounce it with "air" in the end. Though I don't think Al Mualim does.

I say all-tie-ear but for some reason when I first played I called him Altail because of how I heard it pronounced but that's just me.

Just a suggestion but I feel this article is too jumbled up. Some one should break it up into introduction or background, assassin creed 1 plot, assassin creed: AC plot and relationship.

when does Altiar use a crossbow? [[User:FireWolf787|Fire]][[User talk:FireWolf787|Wolf]][[Special:Contributions/FireWolf787|(787)]] 05:07, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

He doesn't. I think him using it in the opening movie was probably cut content or just a conception.

What about the PC version. I haven't completed it and didn't see a crossbow either except in the introduction. So it's all a lie that you can use it in the director's cut?

Altair uses a crossbow in AC:AC (Altair's Chronicles)([[User:Da Firenze|Da Firenze]] 02:57, November 21, 2009 (UTC))

Why does it list the pronounciation with "tha?" At no point is it ever pronounced as a voiced dental fricative, and is always pronounced merey as a hard t. In AC, his name is always pronounced All-tie-ear, or All-ta-air, so the TH is misleading and should be changed.[[User:Thepaperclip|Thepaperclip]] 06:23, August 17, 2010 (UTC)
:I agree what you said about the 't' and I'll change that, but about the second part of his name. I still think most pronounce it as 'All-ta-ear'. or 'All-ta-air'. - [[User:Altaïr|Altaïr]] 12:46, August 17, 2010 (UTC)
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:People you don't see the first question, it's about the LAST NAME NOT FIRST NAME. It's i-bin La- A-had.
:Altair uses crossbow on the Mobile game and AC:Altair's Chronicles.Most likeley the opening scene is from the mobile since the first target in mobile was Sibrand and he was an executioner. [[User:MakinArceneau|MakinArceneau]] 14:11, May 13, 2011 (UTC)

== Fanwank alert! ==

Can someone purge the fanwank out of the page?It stinks of copypaste.[[User:Wikiastalker|Wikiastalker]] 20:16, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

== I Think... ==

i think that l4d (left 4 dead) used the model of altair for the hunter commonly found pouncing and clawing

Randomnutjob: There's a slight problem with that theory. Ubisoft didn't publish -or- develop L4D! Valve
published L4D, and Turtle Rock Studios developed it. Whereas Ubisoft Montreal developed AC1 and it was
released under the general Ubisoft label. A hoodie covering the face is an extremely generic version of
an even more generic 'disguise' (technically a face obscuring piece of apparel)

To be honest I thought that the Hunter's in L4D looked a bit more like Alex Mercer from Prototype than they do Altair. More evidence to convince me on this was that there are achievements for both games to kill a high-set number of infected, and the numbers for both achievements were very similar, and it would make some sense seeing as how both games (Prototype and L4D) were in developement around much the same time, I think. Not to mention that both games dealt with deadly viruses that infected people, although there's always controversy one way or another in the debate whether or not an infected corpse is really a zombie. [[User:Assassin-Rayne|Assassin-Rayne]] 09:36, March 10, 2010 (UTC)

== biography ==

A biography should be a story of a person's life, and in the biography section there are many facts that altair did not know at the time. Such as his master not telling him about the tenth, and the fact that he was being used in a genetic project to take over the world. I suggest that we take those out. Also, Altair's Chronicles is a prequel, it should go before AC1.

:If you think you can make this article better somehow, go ahead then! ^^ And I suggest you should create an account first =D - [[User:SilverSummoner|'''Silver''''''Summoner''']][[User talk:SilverSummoner|''TaLk'']] 15:47, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

::I noticed that there was nothing about Altair's deeds in [[Assassin's Creed: Altaïr's Chronicles]], so I added the section into his biography. Master Mold 14:49, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

:::After reading a bit furher, I noticed that the biography section is actually quite messed up... I think it should be eventually split into his actual deeds and story (biography) and into another section titled "Skills \ abilities". I might someday do it myself but not until I finish the game :) Master Mold 14:55, October 29, 2009 (UTC)
:Guys, maybe someone/someones could take the part that talks about Altaïr shadow and name and such and put it under a "behind the scenes" or trivia section? Also, what you think about adding a link to the targets he kills, either by a list or by adding in the biography section through the text per se? -- [[User:D. Cello|D. Cello]] 02:49, November 21, 2009 (UTC)
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:someone should expand about what happened in assassins creed bloodlines in Altair's Biography. [[User:AssassinCreedFreak122|AssassinCreedFreak122]] 11:44, May 7, 2011 (UTC)

== Stop vandalizing the page! ==
I just understood that recently someone deleted the info form the Bloodlines, Legacy and Altair's Chronicles sections... Whatta? I now agree that some information from the AC:AC section I put may be not enough... correct. But Bloodlines and Legacy... why deleting it? Thanks to Jasca Ducato, who returned everything back into its place. Master Mold 20:06, December 30, 2009 (UTC)

== Relationship with Maria Thorpe ==

It was not mentioned clearly if he married her, but it is confirmed from Assassin's Creed II that they were life partners and lovers. So I dismissed the title of wife and kept it neutral to life partner [[User:PassiveNeoluna|PassiveNeoluna]] 22:13, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

== SPOILER ALERT/possible inclusion of codex interpretation? ==
Codex page 30 clearly states Altair uses The Apple to gain eternal life, or at least intended to, I am very inclined to believe he is still alive in Desmond's time, and following this logic, Ezio is as well, though it seems substantially less likely, anyone else think AC3 is likely to see some huge family reunion of centuries of Assassins, Altair and his descendants? Probably insane, but who doesn't want to see Viddic impaled by Altair for misusing his legacy?
*Codex page 30 does ''not'' clearly say Al used the Apple for that purpose, it merely mentions him musing that possibility over. And it's not being included. '''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' [[User talk:Jasca Ducato|Council Chamber]] [[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato|Assassination record]] 10:29, March 16, 2010 (UTC)
*I agree with Jasca. All the pages are very vague about what Altaïr is talking about. One is more clear than the other, but the only thing you can do is assume based on what is written, but that doesn't make it fact. We can assume that Altaïr used the apple for getting eternal life, but it stays an assumption, so it can't be included. If there is more proof then I would be for the idea to put it in, but there are no other sources that support this theory so far. --[[User:Altaïr|Altaïr]] 11:35, March 16, 2010 (UTC)

*In page ELEVEN of the codex, Altair makes reference to the fact that Gods throught history have very similar backgrounds, and this line here caught my attention. ''"Perhaps it isn't... Merely a single story told over the ages? Borrowed then changed to fit the times? Evolving as our tools and language do? Is this tale born of fact or fiction? A bit of both? '''Could these figures be the same person - their life extended and transformed by a Piece of Eden?'''"'' Perhaps this is what Altair is contemplating in the last page. Also did anyone else notice that Altair, Ezio, AND Desmond have the same scar across their lips? Anyways, food for thought! ~Justin

*Even though every other character in Assassin's Creed had a voice befitting their nationality and the time period, Altair had an American accent, this was done intentionally by Ubisoft although they didn't give a reason for it. Maybe it was done so that Altair would fit into Modern Times somehow? [[User:RussellSparrow|RussellSparrow]] 10:18, October 16, 2010 (UTC)
*In ACI Lucy justifies Altair having an American accent and speaking in new English by telling Desmond that it is so he would be able to understand it. She says that if they just had the Animus translate it word for word it would not make sense to Desmond. Then Ezio can be justified to have an Italian accent and speaking in Italian at points because Desmond is in a different Animus, which Rebecca says has a glitchy translator. -Juno57

== Profile Pic ==

PLEASE leave it as it is i like this pic better as we can actually see a good pic with his face--[[User:RexGodwin|RexGodwin]] 01:18, March 10, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, but I'll talk to this with DCello for your picture to be placed, before you change it. This is an important article, so important changes should be discussed first. --[[User:Altaïr|Altaïr]] March 10, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with Altair, the picture you suggested, Rex, diminishes the quality of the article. The other looks more professional as it is a HD promo shot - [[User: Maria Thorpe|Maria Thorpe]] Mar 10 2010 (UTC)

i have no idea what your talking abut, this pic has quite good quality, and the ither one is a crappy small picture where most of his face is obscured i don't see whats so great about full-body shots especially if they suck :P

Well another reason to keep the full body-shot is, because Ezio's profile, also uses a full body-shot very similar to Altaïr's profile. That makes the articles more identical in shape. --[[User:Altaïr|Altaïr]] March 10, 2010 (UTC)

:Mind your place, padawan. This is a community, your opinion that the other is crappy and yours is perfect is yours alone. Your picture has bad frame, bad lightining, and I belive it's Altair's skin from AC2. The other is AC official, better defined and two members already expressed their agreement for the original image to remain, between other reasons. It follows unchanged. -- [[User:D. Cello|D. Cello]] 23:04, March 10, 2010 (UTC)
::Until there is an good quality pic of Altaïr's face available, I think the current should remain; the same goes for Ezio's article. However, as soon as a good quality facial image is available, I do feel that that should take precedence over the full body pic; that can be reloacted elsewhere within the article. '''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' [[User talk:Jasca Ducato|Council Chamber]] [[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato|Assassination record]] 13:02, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

:I like the full body pics, the clothes in Assassin's are just as important as the character themselves. They are a character of their own, with a set of movements, style and purpose. -- [[User:D. Cello|D. Cello]] 18:30, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

== Left--handed ==

This has been driving me crazy for a while. Did anyone else notice that Altair is left-handed? He wears his hidden blade on his left hand and the control scheme in the game has you press the left button on your controller (Square on PS3, X on 360) to attack and the right button (Circle on PS3, B on 360) to grab. [[Special:Contributions/174.112.183.209|174.112.183.209]] 02:51, April 13, 2010 (UTC)
*Altaïr is right-handed. Despite that the hidden blade is attached to his left hand, he uses his sword and other weapons with his right hand. You can even see pictures of this in his profile. [[Altaïr]] 06:00, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
*Makes sense. What if he's ambidextrous, though? I've seen him throw throwing knives with his left hand. [[Special:Contributions/174.112.183.209|174.112.183.209]] 19:32, April 15, 2010 (UTC)
*That's more likely, which would also explain why he uses the hidden blade with his left-hand. Though the reason why he uses his left hand for the hidden blade, could also be, so that he's not handicapped to use his sword, because of his missing finger -- [[Altaïr]] 21:44, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
*Sorry that this is non-related, but is ASSASSIN'S CREED (the first one) on PS2?
*No it has only been released for the X-Box 360, PS3 and PC. -- [[Altaïr]] 12:39, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

== His parents ==

Um where was it mentioned in any of the games that his mother was Christian and his father was Muslim? I only know it said in the first game guide that he was ethnically ambiguous. [[User:PassiveNeoluna|PassiveNeoluna]] 19:18, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
:I did read it on a lot of places, forums even on IMDB. And in the gameguide it adds after ethnically ambiguous 'mix of European and Arabian'. Upon further research I saw that Jade Raymond, creative producer of Assassin's Creed, revealed this during an interview at the Ubidays 2007 -- [[Altaïr]] 21:28, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
Thank for clarifing this Cedric. [[User:PassiveNeoluna|PassiveNeoluna]] 19:50, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

==Unlockable Costume==
Yeah, it's not an altair costume that becomes unlockable in Prince of Persia. It's actually an Ezio costume so can it be removed please?
*Erm, no. It ''is'' Altair's costume in PoP. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' [[User talk:Jasca Ducato|Council Chamber]] [[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato|Assassination record]] 16:50, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
*I'm pretty sure he (or she, whatever) meant PoP: The Forgotten Sands. Altair's costume was present in the 2008 PoP, while Ezio's in the new one [[User:War Clown|War Clown]] 11:52, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

== The I in Altair ==

Is it really that important to use that special character I (sorry, don't know how to type it in :D) in Altair's name? Because, I'll be laying out more of the storyline, and I need to know if the special I is really important [[User:War Clown|War Clown]] 11:54, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Hold the Alt key and type 0239, and I guess his name with the special I is how his name would be type if it was translated in English. Add the ï just in case. [[User:PassiveNeoluna|a Lunatic]] 18:41, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Another solution is just to copy-paste it. That's what I sometimes do. But indeed it is important. I had to correct dozens of articles with the incorrect namespelling. -- [[User:Altaïr|Altaïr]] 21:06, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Ok then. I'll fix all the "Altair/s" I typed in so far :D [[User:War Clown|War Clown]] 10:01, June 25, 2010 (UTC)
*Yes, it is important. His name is Altaïr, not Altair. It doesn't matter so much on talk pages, but in-article it does. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' [[User talk:Jasca Ducato|Council Chamber]] [[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato|Assassination record]] 11:49, June 25, 2010 (UTC)
*Yes, I know. I just fixed all of Altaïr's I/s in one of the timeline pages (eyes hurt XD). I should make a note not to type in his name more and start referencing him as "assassin", or "the assassin" more often :D [[User:War Clown|War Clown]] 11:58, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

== What is he saying? ==

Sometimes, when you stab a guard before the others realize you are a threat when saving a citizen, Altaïr will respond (to the guards telling him to go away) with something in Arabic. It is usually after this that they start fighting him. Having no knowledge of Arabic phonetics relative to English, I'll try to transliterate this as best I can..

'anarislic/g' (confused on the last character. Could be either a c or a g. He makes it sound almost like a threat.), 'wayhaf', 'noha alay(alain?)' If in doubt, save some citizens and you should be able to pick out what I'm talking about. Hard to render this in text, honestly. [[Special:Contributions/173.50.240.35|173.50.240.35]] 07:22, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

== Faith ==

Is Altair christian something else ?

[[Special:Contributions/79.101.91.187|79.101.91.187]] 18:23, August 19, 2010 (UTC
:He's certainly no Christian. I wouldn't say he's an atheist, but he doesn't believe in any God I think. I think the official game guide just described him as a spiritual person. -- [[user:Altaïr|Altaïr]] 20:29, August 19, 2010 (UTC)
:Altaïr was likely a Muslim, if a member of any denomination, for the duration of the game, having been raised in Muslim lands and being born to a Muslim father. There is a solid chance that he was not Muslim, however, as certain pages from the Codex contain passages suggesting that he was at odds with many beliefs central to the Muslim tradition at the time. One such passage has him mentioning that he became enraged and clenched his fists in anger after seeing a man treating his wife as if she was inferior to him, a belief held by most Muslims during that time period. Also, since his mother was Christian, he might have been at a religious and spiritual crossroads at the time of the game, torn, as he was, between two faiths. If he wasn't atheist before it, he was almost certainly atheist at the end of the game when Al Mualim revealed to him that every miraculous and/or supernatural event in history was caused by the Pieces of Eden. We learn in Assassin's Creed II, at the end of the last mission, in the Vault underneath the Vatican, in Minerva's message to Desmond, that all god-worshipping religions arose from early humans' misunderstandings of the race that created the Pieces of Eden, so it is quite possible that this information was also relayed to Altaïr by the Apple, although we don't know for sure. [[User:EEA|EEA]] 01:01, October 10, 2010 (UTC)
::In any case he ended up not being a person to believe in God as he clearly stated there's no heaven or hell in the codex. Like I said previously he was described to be a spiritual person and there's no evidence that he was religious of the sort. --[[user:Altaïr|Altaïr]] 01:06, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

== Arabic pronunciation ==

I'd like to make a suggestion as to changing the article's explanation of the Arabic pronunciation of his name. A direct transliteration of the Arabic characters in his name gives the spelling "Al-Ta'ir", (there is a stop between the a and i). I understand this is what is used in the game. However Arabic has what are called "sun and moon" letters (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_and_moon_letters), and the emphatic "Ta" (the T used in Altair's name) is a "sun" letter. This means that the L in Altair's name would not be pronounced by an Arabic speaker. Therefore, the correct Arabic pronunciation of Altair's name in Arabic would be "At-ta'ir.

:Malik A-Sayf is also an instance of the sun and moon letters. That's why it isn't "Malik Al-Sayf", because S is also a sun letter.
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:Also, people pronounce the T incorrectly. It's actually heavier than that. It should be pronounced as the ط in this video: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kh-H7TtAf2k&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kh-H7TtAf2k&feature=related] .

== Name ==

Where does the version "Altaïr Ibn-La'Ahad" come from? In the game manual it says "Altaïr Ibn La-Ahad". -- [[User:Master Sima Yi|Master Sima Yi]] 22:19, October 24, 2010 (UTC)
:I know this is an extremly belated response, but whilst the game manual does indeed spell it "Ibn La-Ahad", in the introductory video for ''Brotherhood'' it is spelt "Ibn-La'Ahad", which IMO should take preference. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' [[User talk:Jasca Ducato|Council Chamber]] [[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato|Assassination record]] 14:27, November 25, 2010 (UTC)
::I know, I saw it as well. We'll just leave it as it is. -- [[User:Master Sima Yi|Master Sima Yi]] 14:28, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

== The name translation is vandalized ==

"'''Altaïr Ibn-La'Ahad''' ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic Arabic]: الطائر ابن لا أحد) (born 1165) was an[http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Assassin Assassin] living during the [http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Third_Crusade Third Crusade]..."

The Arabic translation above reads as "I am not a bird". The actual translation is:

نسر الاحد لوسانجليس لابن

:Dont use translation websites they are actually WRONG. better learn how to write arabic or ask an arabian! [[User:MakinArceneau|MakinArceneau]] 14:28, May 13, 2011 (UTC)

:: Haha, well, thanks for notifying us! Next time you see an error like this feel free to edit without asking here, I would fix this myself right now, but my browser is stuffing up ATM. Thanks, --[[User:ThiefAC|'''THIEF ''']] 06:34, November 11, 2010 (UTC)
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:: Dude the guy who wrote the new translation is wrong. Do you know what he just said? He said: Eagle the one los angeles for son.
::Yeah, I ran the "actual translation" through [http://www.arabicenglishdictionary.org/ this site], and it came up with "Eagle Sunday to Osangeles Ibn". '''[[User:Ozzyjalo94|OZ]][[User talk:Ozzyjalo94|ZY]]''' 14:07, December 8, 2010 (UTC)
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Isnt this (النسر الابن بلا) the true translation?[[User:Einsteinium99|Einsteinium99]] 18:28, June 24, 2011 (UTC)

I'm a native Arab and the direct translation, without using any online dictionary, is:

الطائر إبن لا أحد
Altaïr - الطائر: an Adjective to a person who flies: literally The Flyer.

Verb Past tense: Flew: طار

Verb Present tense: Fly: يطير

Ibn- is literally: son of: إبن

La'Ahad: actually two words

La: No:لا

Ahad: one or body أحد

So if you want a direct meaningfull transliteration of the name in english you would say:

"The Flyer son of no-body." also "The Flyer son of no-one" or A-Tta'er Ibn la Ahad.

Yes, the Arabic letter ط is a sun letter and the L in AL (used as a definitive article similar to 'the' in English ane Le in French) would not be pronounced

[[User:Mkrbu50|Mkrbu50]] 13:06, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

For someone who is a native Arab, your Arabic is a little off. Yes, ط is solar so the ل in front takes the same sound, so it should be "at" and not "al". Next the ط is a harder sounding "T" that is produced from the back of the throat as opposed to the ت which is a lighter sounding "T" that is produced with the tip of the tongue and the top of the mouth.

Next, while yes, at-Ta'ir can be defined as "the flyer", I have never heard it described that way in MSA, or in Levantine, Egyptian, or Iraqi dialects. It also can be used to say aviator, omen, or presage, BUT its common use in any Arabic Dialect and MSA is "the bird". And الطيار at-Tiiar is commonly used for "the flyer" as well as the aviator and the pilot. This is just a good case of an English speaker wanting a cool sounding Arabic name for the game and failing miserably to really understand the language. As with most 3-letter roots, adding the alif (ا) between the 2nd and 3rd diacritic is about the english equivalent of adding -er to english words.

next, ibn la-ahad is just horrible in itself. Arabic is a descriptive language, unlike English (which uses a lot of shortcuts and inferred meanings). ibn does mean son, but is mostly used like "hal hua ibn kareem" (is that Kareem's son). When used as a title (such as a name), bin (same root) is used more frequently (bad example, but a well known one-- bin Ladin).

la ahad is used as a pronoun for no-one, but because arabic is a descriptive language, it is used as a subject and therefore must have a verb. In English, we understand that "one" means a person, but you have to be descriptive in Arabic, so it would be better to say something along the lines of "lesa bin shakhs" or "lesa bin rajal", especially since la (لا) is primarily used on verbs as an answer, and lesa (ليس) is used for nouns and everything else.

Oh, and for your last comment about the L in AL not being pronounced, I said before it takes the sound of the TOH (ط), so, in a way, it is pronounced, but more so like putting a shadda over the TOH.

Reference: I do Arabic for a living, and talk daily to native Arabic speakers of all dialects

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== Altair/Desmond's Face ==

'''If you have not noticed already, Altair's face is EXACTLY similar to Desmond's. I was just wondering if that would be the result of their ancestory or just Ubisoft's deadline/laziness? It's always stuck me so, including the fact that Ezio has some, but not all features. - E. Cain'''

:It is meant to personify (literally) the fact that they are direct ancestors. That and, yes, I don't see Ubisoft wasting their time creating a model of a ''similar-looking'' ancestor, when they could just make them the same, and sti;ll retain the same effect of them being related. --[[User:Piratehunter|'''''P''''''''''i''''''''''r''''''''''a''''''''''t''''''''''e''''''''''h''''''''''u''''''''''n''''''''''t''''''''''e''''''''''r''''']] ([[User talk:Piratehunter|Talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/Piratehunter|Contribs]]) 16:40, January 17, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah kind of true!

== Is the story of Ezio over after assassins creed brotherhood? ==

Ezio is my favorite main character in the series and i really want them to continue a story with him. However, i have relized there is much to go with. Does any one know what happens to Ezio after he is last seen killing Ceasere in the game?
:What has this got to do with Altaïr? --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' [[User talk:Jasca Ducato|Council Chamber]] [[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato|Assassination record]] 04:35, February 6, 2011 (UTC)
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:No it isn't, he's still the main character in Revelations. Also, Altair is almost certain to be in Revelations as well, flashback or not. The trailer meant something. [[User:Jackass2009|Jackass2009]] 23:09, May 5, 2011 (UTC)

== The Hiding Short Blade in the Intro ==

People thought that the short blade was replaced by the Crossbow in the Introduction Movie in Assassin's Creed. Well, actually Altair's short blade was hiding in the large,brown, belt-like armor in the assassin's abdomen. Notice that when Altair was stripped of his possessions and rank, this brown belt became a little smaller. But when he was a master assassin, this thing was bigger, it shows that it had two pieces, when combined, made a small gap between them. That's where Altair put his short blade. Try searching in Youtube or play the Intro once more.

== 92-years Altair ? ==

Where did that bit of information about a 92 years-old Altair mettin with Niccolo and Maffeo Polo ?
:You see that little number that comes ''directly after'' that piece of information… if you click it, it tells you where the information came from. Sign your posts. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' [[User talk:Jasca Ducato|Council Chamber]] [[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato|Assassination record]] 02:55, June 18, 2011 (UTC)

== Altaïr's name ==

We all know his first name is Altaïr but do we consider Ibn-La'Ahad his complete last name ? I know it's a stupid question but I didn't know how to put it in an article.. [[User:Killeras|Killeras]] 15:50, June 19, 2011 (UTC)

:Yes, we do. It's stated on various occassions, like the introductory video of ''Bloodlines''. Don't think we would have fan fiction here and we wouldn't do anything about it, especially on such an important article. -- [[User:Master Sima Yi|Master Sima Yi]] 20:34, June 19, 2011 (UTC)

== Sub 16 ==

If Altair is an ancestor of Ezio and Ezio is an ancestor of Sub 16, isn't Altair an ancestor of Sub 16 as well ?[[User:Killeras|Killeras]] 22:05, June 19, 2011 (UTC)

Nevermind it seems like someone already edited it.
:Yes, he is (and why it was removed from the article, I don't know) but not for the reasons you state. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' [[User talk:Jasca Ducato|Council Chamber]] [[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato|Assassination record]] 07:51, June 20, 2011 (UTC)

::I deleted it because it should go under the "Legacy" section. It isn't important enough to be in the introduction, since Subject 16 isn't an important character in the entire AC universe overall. -- [[User:Master Sima Yi|Master Sima Yi]] 08:19, June 20, 2011 (UTC)
:::Sorry Sima, but I fail to see how you can possibly believe 16 ''isn't'' important… also, every other individual with important relations has those relations mentioned in their introduction, it's practically part of our MoS. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' [[User talk:Jasca Ducato|Council Chamber]] [[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato|Assassination record]] 18:39, June 20, 2011 (UTC)

::::If you take a look at the overall AC universe, from the prehistory to the 21th century, Subject 16 hasn't done anything of any real relevance. And the other articles may have it, but I don't see any point in it. The introduction is to sum up the article, and his descendants have very little mentions in the Legacy section. I fail to see how it improves the article. And you're causing me an edit conflict. -- [[User:Master Sima Yi|Master Sima Yi]] 18:42, June 20, 2011 (UTC)

== Arabic words are incorrect ==

I would like to point out that the current arabic translation of "Altaïr Ibn-La'Ahad" ; الطائر ِإبن لا أحد , is not the correct translation of his name. i checked in Google Translate and it translates to: "Bird's son is not a". The correct translation of "Altaïr Ibn-La Ahad" is : نسر بن لوس انجليس الاحد which is the most accurate translation in Arabic. thanks for hearing this out :D [[User:Droideka93|Droideka93]] 23:29, June 20, 2011 (UTC)[[User:Droideka93|Droideka93]]
:Yes, because Google Translate is reliable… --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' [[User talk:Jasca Ducato|Council Chamber]] [[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato|Assassination record]] 23:30, June 20, 2011 (UTC)
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:نسر بن لوس انجليس الاحد --- that translation means "an eagle of Sunday's Los Angeles' son". Please don't use google translate, it is horrible when stringing words together, and I have no idea where it got los angeles from (لوس انجليس). But yeah, I agree that Al-Ta'ir ibn-La Ahad is a horrible name with very bad wording and poor arabic grammar. Kudos for the designer to try to make something sound Arabic, shame for him not consulting a true Arabic source.
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:First, it's at-Ta'ir not Altaïr. The TOH ط is a solar letter therefor the LAM ل before it takes the exact same sound, and not the sound of an L. Next there is a seated Hamza ئ after the alif ا which takes the sound of a glottal stop (or a quick stop in sound before moving on to the next sound). So, TA'IR or TA IR, not TAIR.
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:Plus, Nisr نسر means Eagle, and ta'ir طائر means Bird.
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:ibn La Ahad makes no grammatical sense in Arabic, whereas it would in English.
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:BTW, I speak Arabic for a living, and do not use google translate
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: [[Special:Contributions/74.123.249.235|74.123.249.235]] 21:47, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

== New info ==

What happened to the Assassins after Altair fled Masyaf? Was Abbas the new Grand Master of the Assassin Order? If so we should add this to Grand Master page. Also do we know anything of Altair after fleeing the castle?
:If we knew, it would be in the article, wouldn't it? The book has only just come out, give us sometime to actually read it before we update the articles. Sign your posts. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' [[User talk:Jasca Ducato|Council Chamber]] [[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato|Assassination record]] 18:15, June 24, 2011 (UTC)

:Wait, the book is out??? I thought it is only out on the 27th or 28th of June? So, all these new information is from the book? [[User:Trainkun2313|Trainkun2313]] 18:31, June 24, 2011 (UTC)Trainkun2313

== Altair's Voice ==

So i was replaying Assassin's Creed and after sequence 2 if you talk to Lucy she explains how the animus refines the language in the memories are "modern day english" so it came to me that this is why Altair's voice is so American....[[User:Moviesman23|Moviesman23]] 05:17, June 26, 2011 (UTC)

== Grand Master ==

Can we assume that after Altair died, his son Darim became the next Grand Master? I don't really remember how the Grand Master was chosen after the previous one died. [[User:Killeras|Killeras]] 11:06, June 26, 2011 (UTC)
:You can assume all you want, that doesn't mean you're allowed to add any assumptions nor speculation to the articles, 'tis against the rules, aye? :P -- [[User:Assassin-Rayne|'''Rayne''']] [[User_Talk:Assassin-Rayne|Message]] 11:12, June 26, 2011 (UTC)
: I didn't do anything, I was just curios and don't worry I've been a long time reader before finaly making an account and deciding to help out, so I know most of the rules :P [[User:Killeras|Killeras]] 11:30, June 26, 2011 (UTC)
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== Later life ==

Where did you get the data on his late life? Project Legacy?

[[Special:Contributions/93.103.123.191|93.103.123.191]] 13:26, June 28, 2011 (UTC)

:Yeah, I source it for nothing. It is from ''[[Assassin's Creed: The Secret Crusade]]''. -- [[User:Master Sima Yi|Master Sima Yi]] 13:28, June 28, 2011 (UTC)
::Yeah Sima, what the hell are you sourcing it for? --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' [[User talk:Jasca Ducato|Council Chamber]] [[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato|Assassination record]] 13:36, June 28, 2011 (UTC)
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::I was thinking about how Altair would have died I think it was From the Mongols. Its eating at me because he is my favouite Assassin.I like to care about myself only. 03:48, August 12, 2011 (UTC)

==Birthday==
In wich source they say that Altaïr was born the January 11? Excuse my english.--[[User:Darth envidious|Darth envidious]] 21:17, July 6, 2011 (UTC)

Wherever is it from, its not from the Secret Crusade book.--[[User:Bogdan stretePS3|Bogdan stretePS3]] 21:32, July 6, 2011 (UTC) 00:28, July 7, 2011 (ET)
:One of the Revelations teaser images that was previously on facebook. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' [[User talk:Jasca Ducato|Council Chamber]] [[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato|Assassination record]] 14:40, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

== Altair and Ezio aren't related. ==

According to the lead writer of Revelations, Darby McDevitt, While Altair and Ezio are both Desmond's Ancestors, Ezio is NOT a decendant of Altair.

This just means that one side of his family had Altair's DNA, and the other had Ezio's, which, considering that he was born into the brotherhood and all, is definately plasible.

Here's the link if anyone else wants to read up on it; I suspect there will be a bit of editing to do now.

http://kotaku.com/5823431/what-i-thought-i-knew-about-assassins-creed-revelations-was-partially-wrong

[[Special:Contributions/174.57.237.158|174.57.237.158]] 21:21, July 22, 2011 (UTC)
==Altair's age==
:We're gonna need a bit more verification before we make a major change like that. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' [[User talk:Jasca Ducato|Council Chamber]] [[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato|Assassination record]] 14:36, July 23, 2011 (UTC)
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In this Interview [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgTvEMgvPeE]] the creative director of AC revelations says that Altair lived a very long life making it into his ninties or somehwere along that line. I just thought that should be added to his profile.[[User:Awale-Abdi|Awale-Abdi]] 16:28, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

:Well in the article, you can see that his biography goes up till 1257 which is in his 90's. [[User:Subject 12|'''Subject 12''']] [[User Talk:Subject 12|Talk to me]] 16:37, July 25, 2011 (UTC)
:Oh thanks for pointing that out and sorry for wasting time on this...[[User:Awale-Abdi|Awale-Abdi]] 18:58, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

According to ''Some'' sources, his age of death was 99...or at least it was the last age ever mentioned anywhere...
[[User:Falco Luce del Sud-Est|Falco Luce]] 09:42, August 28, 2011 (UTC)

== Becoming Grandmaster Section ==

This section needs to be rewritten. No offense to whoever wrote it, but the grammar in it is horrible. [[User:XSevSpreeX|XSevSpreeX]] 02:03, October 14, 2011 (UTC)
:Well, re-write it then. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' [[User talk:Jasca Ducato|Council Chamber]] [[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato|Assassination record]] 09:28, October 14, 2011 (UTC)

== Remodel ==

So Altair's getting a remodel in Assassin's Creed: Revelations. Does that mean he's getting an entirely new face to where he no longer looks like Ezio and Desmond? Or is he just getting a remodel to make his face look younger for the memories that are suppose to take place before AC and look older for the ones that take place after AC?

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==Archive==
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== Codex pages ? ==

Ok here is the thing I just did the part where he talks to the uncle and says the leonardo da vinci or whatever can translate the pages went up and updated the map and I see where all the codex pages are it let me pick up one but it will not let me do the rest why? am I missing something

:Be more specific. What do you mean "will not let me do the rest"? And SIGN YOUR POSTS. -- [[User:Master Sima Yi|Master Sima Yi]] 15:51, January 20, 2011 (UTC)
::I may be wrong, but given a guess - due to the lack of information of your problem - I'd say that the scene you mean is in Mario's study. The Codex pages that are already on the wall you will not be able to take down. Mario already explained to Ezio that Giovanni managed to translate some. Now Leonardo has to do it as Giovanni is dead. The other Codex pages you collect are scattered throughout the cities and are marked on your map. All you need to do is run over the top of them to pick them up (or loot for some if I remember correct) . I hope that helps answer your question. [[User:Subject AMDR|Subject AMDR]] 16:31, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

In the picture where hes using the cannon he has the syrain sword when in game he has the common sword[[User:Willaca|Willaca]] 07:12, June 5, 2011 (UTC)

== Article Rename ==

Should we rename this article to simply "Ezio Auditore"? The "da Firenze" part would stay at the introduction of the article as this is Ezio's full name, but all of the Auditores in the in-game databases are listed without the "da Firenze" attached at the end. [[Leonardo da Vinci]]'s article would stay the way it is, because Leonardo had no surname. — [[User:M.C.Tales|M.C.Tales]] 18:43, June 6, 2011 (UTC)

:Whilst you do have a valid point, the extreme majority of readers coming to this site will be expecting to see "da Firenze" as part of the article title. It also allows us to differentiate the Florentine Auditore from their family in Monteriggioni (namely Mario and Domenico); as such I think it best if we leave the article name as is. On a related note, Giovanni at one point tells Ezio he is of the ''"Auditore da Firenze"'', once again differentiating between those in Florence, and those without. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' [[User talk:Jasca Ducato|Council Chamber]] [[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato|Assassination record]] 20:29, June 6, 2011 (UTC)

== Pictures ==

Is there a better version of [[:File:Ezio_standing.png|this picture?]] [[User:ShenLong Kazama|ShenLong Kazama]] 15:37, June 9, 2011 (UTC)

I saw that there are a few others but not very big, so is there no bigger version of that picture or [[:File:ACR_Ezio.png|here]]. [[User:ShenLong Kazama|ShenLong Kazama]] 19:00, June 13, 2011 (UTC)

==Age==
are you 40 years of age in assassins creed 4
:There is no ''Assassin's Creed IV'', we haven't even seen ''Assassin's Creed III'' yet. Sign your posts. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' [[User talk:Jasca Ducato|Council Chamber]] [[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato|Assassination record]] 20:01, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
:And Ezio was 48 in 1507, he is 58 in 1511, the years the ''Revelations ''begins. [[User:AssassinRome|'''Assassino de Roma''']] 20:10, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
::Isn't he 52 in 1511 ? -- [[User:Friibbe|Friibbe]] 20:15, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
:::Rome fails. -- [[User:Master Sima Yi|Master Sima Yi]] 20:19, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
::::Math fail. Although he definitely looks like he's aged like 15 years in the game. Look at his eyes! In the trailer and the cover art he looks fine, but in the game they did a poor job. I hope they touch up on his face before release. [[Special:Contributions/66.75.122.44|66.75.122.44]] 02:48, June 18, 2011 (UTC)

== NOTICE: Article under revamp by Apprentice DarkFeather ==

Hey all. I've been tasked with revamping the article as part of my apprenticeship. If you have any ideas, post here. Thanks. -- DarkFeather [[User:DarkFeather|There will be blood -- just make sure it's the right person's.]] 03:52, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

Are you the one who's changed the article? Can you please take off some of the pictures please, it's getting ridiculously irritating reading the article and getting distracted by all the bloody images from the games. It seems a little redundant to have so many. Why not just put all the extra pictures in the gallery instead? [[User:Marael|Marael]] 01:48, July 2, 2011 (UTC)

== Bleeding Effect? ==
Isn't it possible that Ezio could've been suffering from a bleeding effect of some kind, that allowed him to see Altair at certain parts of his life? So that's why he could see Altair at the end of the cinematic trailer when he's about to be hanged? [[User:Nakedsnake53|Nakedsnake53]] 21:13, July 17, 2011 (UTC)
:No. He was seeing Altaïr due to his proximity to, and the affects of, the [[Seals of Altaïr|seals]]. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' [[User talk:Jasca Ducato|Council Chamber]] [[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato|Assassination record]] 11:38, July 18, 2011 (UTC)

== No Relation. ==

http://kotaku.com/5823431/what-i-thought-i-knew-about-assassins-creed-revelations-was-partially-wrong

Okay...so I guess that Altair and Ezio are not related by any means, apparently at one point down the road in Ezio's bloodline it joined with Altair's bloodline, and then down that road it spat out Desmond...

I could have sworn that Mario described Altair as Ezio's ancestor when he revealed Altair's armor in AC:2, not to mention the notes found in the Auditore family crypt saying that they were really immigrants kind of implied the relation, apparently there is none... guess I was wrong.[[User:Harleyzone|Harleyzone]] 01:51, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

I think this is not a valid source... until Ubisoft claims thats true!! [[User:Maki-san|Maki-san]] 01:08, July 23, 2011 (UTC)Maki-san

It has been comfirmed, by ubisoft at the Comic-Con. There was an Q&A event.

http://comic-con.gamespot.com/video/6325033/comic-con-2011-panel-assassins-creed-the-creation-of-a-universe?tag=updates%3Beditor%3Ball%3Btitle%3B5 [[User:MasterHank|MasterHank]] 00:35, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

Who says Ezio died in 1524? [[User:Toa Makao|Makao]] 19:35, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

During the making of video for the Encyclopedia it showed the year he died. -- ► '''''[[User:Kaloneous|Kaloneous]]''''' ◄[[User talk:Kaloneous| ♣HelpDesk♣]] 19:36, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

So, Ezio isn't Altaïr's descendant. It's seems funny to me, considering [[Talk:Ezio Auditore da Firenze/Archive 1#Ancestor.3F|this discussion.]] [[User:Erik1310|Erik1310]] 17:41, September 21, 2011 (UTC)

==New lead quote==
Hey,I was just looking at ezio's quote at he top of the page, and i thought it could be better, I was thinking about what he said towards the end of the extended E3 cinematic trailer in his letter to claudia, "my story is the one of many thousands, the world will not suffer if it ends too soon",tell me what you think[[User:RomanEagle|RomanEagle]] 21:58, September 28, 2011 (UTC)
:That's a crap quote. Why would our lead quote, one that is suppose to encapsulate the life our the article's subject in a single sentence, simply mention what might happen if he died? --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' [[User talk:Jasca Ducato|Council Chamber]] [[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato|Assassination record]] 00:27, September 29, 2011 (UTC)

:I know this is in the wrong section BUT. Can someone please edit the article where its talking about how in Revelations that ezio escapes from the Bald guy than straight away chases him in a chariot and kills him as this information is incorrect and is obvious for a few reasons.
:- Ezio in the gameplay video has the hookblade which he accquires in Constantinople, aka after escaping from the bald guy
:- Ezio is able to craft bombs which he learns in Constantinople not by himself
:- MOST IMPORTANTLY there is no refernence in what has been written and a voice over gameplay video describes how Ezio is after the FINAL seal which is in the hands of the Bald guy NOT the first seal!
:Thanks [[Special:Contributions/121.218.77.96|121.218.77.96]] 23:59, October 2, 2011 (UTC)
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You are in the wrong section! More importantly the article you are refering to is the [[Search for the Seals]] article and it is written in such a away as to be ambiguous until further information is revealed. Also some of you points are unconfirmed too and are solely based on interviews and AC community references and neither you nor the article can have any truly confirmed information until the events are shown in game. -- ► '''''[[User:Kaloneous|Kaloneous]]''''' ◄[[User talk:Kaloneous| ♣HelpDesk♣]] 01:14, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

== deeper connection? ==

I know that its been stated that Ezio and Altair aren't related to each other as was once believed. But I can't help but notice certain similarities between the two. I know the out of game explination about why they look a like is because they were modeled after the same person. But I'm wondering if the in game explination will show some sort of connection between the two other than the fact they both became leaders of the Assassin Order and both are ancestors to Desmond. Plus they have the exact same facial scar.

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