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==Humans?==
The article mentions how Adam and Eve are humans. I was under the impression that they were part of the race of Those Who Came Before. Thus, they could resist to the Pieces of Eden. Their children became the first Assassins's, this is proved by subject 16, who was able to go back to their memories. So Assassins' orginated from them. And between humanity, you've got people like Ezio and Desmond, who can use that weird vision (pressing triangle in the PS3 version) and resist the Pieces of Eden (partly, at least. Proved by Altair when he was able to beat the final boss of AC1.) If Adan and Eve were normal humans, how could they escape the Pieces of Eden's control, and how did they have powers like this type of vision, which they would transfer to their children, and somehow other, normal humans lack? Oh, and not to mention the fact that their bodies don't look normal. They have some weird lines.
:Did you even *read* something in the article? Those lines are clearly suits. And sign your posts, please. -- [[User:D. Cello|D. Cello]] 02:18, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

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Is it not Eve that says 'Adam, I've got it' and Adam that then says 'Eve, look out!'?
--[[Special:Contributions/143.53.152.67|143.53.152.67]] 19:07, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

Unless adam Has a Girly voice.... NO "Adam I have it" - (Eve) "Eve" - (Adam) "Look out!" - (Eve)

Someone's changed it to what I wrote (not me). Just thought I'd point it out.--[[Special:Contributions/143.53.152.67|143.53.152.67]] 08:07, December 4, 2009 (UTC)

== Biblical ==

Ya know I find it funny how Christianity hasn't realized the one thing that can undo their religion: The Garden Of Eden. Think about it: God planted the Garden on Earth, He created Man and Woman and all living things within it, Adam and Eve eat from the Tree of Knowledge, God banishes them from the Garden and puts a cherub at the door to guard it. So why has the Garden not been found in all the years of people exploring the planet? If a cherub is placed at the door surely someone would have seen it. God never said they couldn't look at the Garden or anything just that they are banished from entering it so therefore Christianity has a major loophole thus making it undone.--[[Special:Contributions/125.238.72.227|125.238.72.227]] 13:21, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
:The Garden could have dissapeared or growed since the initial conception. And this is a sensitive subject, everyone who enters it, keep it low. It will be watched and may be deleted at any moment if needed be. -- [[User:D. Cello|D. Cello]] 16:31, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
: Ya know I find if funny how the questioner hasn't realized the one thing that can answer his question: The Flood. Think about it: God sends a massive flood to destroy most life on earth, chances are that the garden would be destroyed and many of the earths features changed to make finding what might have survived nearly impossible. I'm having a bit of fun with your challenge, but seriously, whether you agree or disagree with the Bible, you should take the whole system into account when you attempt a disproof. I suspect you will find most who hold Gen. 1-3 to be historical also hold the rest of Genesis as historical. Also, I love the jump from something having a loophole to it being false or undone. You know, tax codes also have loopholes, I guess I don't have to pay taxes! :) [[Special:Contributions/72.94.254.212|72.94.254.212]] 21:34, March 2, 2010 (UTC)
:Keep it low, emotions at bay. And your theory makes sense. -- [[User:D. Cello|D. Cello]] 01:26, March 3, 2010 (UTC)
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:why do atheist always go after christianity jesus, if you norods red teh bible he destroyed the garden of edan after adam and eve and their family left read the bible before you bash it.[[User:DeirdreKent101|DeirdreKent101]] 01:35, November 25, 2010 (UTC)
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:Athiests like the one at the beggining think that by ridding the world of religion they will create freedom from the ashes, however it is ironic because by destroying religion they destroy the very freedom they wish to create as they would have forced everyone into a single way of thinking, the true advocates of freedom are those not of any beleif or ideology but those who tolerate anything even intolerance and those people are rarer than life on mars. And to answer the Eden argument, yes it was destroyed by God. - Kunarian

:ok i am an athiest myself and i have no problem with any religion at all i think its wrong to judge a group by a few and i have read the bible i dont agree with some of the things in it but i have read it and i understand it [[User:Cl1ntz|Cl1ntz]] 16:45, December 13, 2011 (UTC)
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Yes am an athiest, but i do respect that people believe in a God.
The only thing i dont like about religion is: The wars.
Think about it, so many wars have been fought just because people didnt believe in the same God.
Most strory's in the bible are the same as in the koran, just with different names.
I dont mind if you believe in a God but please, let christians be christians, and let muslims be muslims.
(thats a load off my shoulders!)[[User:2A1G|2A1G]] 20:33, March 1, 2012 (UTC)

== Markings on their skin ==

Another important point, I was watching the Truth video today, I have downloaded it in HD so was watching it carefully. I'm pretty certain that the markings on the bodies of Adam and Eve etc are suits, and not their actual skin. When you see Eve turning to say she has the Apple, you can see quite clearly a line across her neck where the 'shiny' glazed look of their body, and the markings, stops. It would also explain why their private areas are also covered. I'm sure I can take screen shots for this if anyone wants them - [[User:Maria Thorpe| Maria Thorpe]] Feb 25 2010 18.02 (UTC)
:I remember seeing this somewhere, I believe it was in one of Zwooosh's pictures. Yeas, they are clearly suits and not markings. But why was this brought up? oO -- [[User:D. Cello|D. Cello]] 00:57, February 26, 2010 (UTC)
Because the article implies that it is not a suit, that's why I thought it should be mentioned [[User:Maria Thorpe|Maria Thorpe]] Feb 27 2010 03.20 (UTC)

Ah, okay. Didn't knew that. =x Go ahead and change it, then! ;D -- [[User:D. Cello|D. Cello]] 05:19, February 27, 2010 (UTC)

==Slaves?==
I believe that's a bit of a liberal interpretation. The game doesn't make this clear, nor the reasons behind the rebellion, so without actual proof, I think it's a little strong to name it a master/slave relationship. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif [[User:MikaelGrizzly|Tagaziel]] ([[User talk:MikaelGrizzly|call!]]) 20:59, April 11, 2010 (UTC)
:Agreed. -- [[User:D. Cello|D. Cello]] 21:46, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

== Looking through glass ==

I think the one inside holding apple is not Eve.She is red caped and looked like controlling the humans.
:No-one's said it was Eve… it's Minerva holding the Apple. Also, please sign your posts with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> '''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' [[User talk:Jasca Ducato|Council Chamber]] [[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato|Assassination record]] 03:03, April 18, 2010 (UTC)
Minerva or some other "godess", for all we know they all dress the same. but doesn't that sceen act as sufficient proof that those who came before were controlling them and they were doing work. (some kind of blacksmith thing?) so they were being forced to do work. so they were officially slaves to those who came before, no? [[User:CarloGrimaldi|CarloGrimaldi]] 08:28, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

== trivia ==

shouldn't the numbers of 0s and 1s in binary be in the Truth page or better yet, the Eden page? Or at least we could put it on Trivia, as it doesn't have to do much with Adam and Eve specifically.

[[User:AlexArkham|AlexArkham]] 03:05, May 25, 2011 (UTC)

== The Truth Video ==

Could "The Truth" be a recording of Sixteen's animus session? How could he get footage of, like, 450.000 years ago if it was not the case? And also, it says he has ancestors in Ancient Africa. Could them be Adam and Eve? I think we should put it in the main page.

First off, sign your posts. Second, duh. It ''says'' at the beginning of the video that it's an Animus session. [[User:Guardian Assassin|Guardian Assassin]] 20:21, May 28, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks man. You're so patient with begginners, a fine example to us all. <strike>An example on how to be an asshole.</strike> 00:55, May 29, 2011 (UTC)

== Adam and Eve: A Prophecy, Not History ==

I believe that the Truth video in AC2 is not a recording of an historical event, but rather a prophecy of the future. We know from the Codex pages that Altair used the Apple to see into the future and that is how he knew of Ezio and the Vault. But couldn't Those Who Came Before have used the Apples for the same purpose? Could the story of Adam and Eve be a warning of their fall rather than a recording of the past?

Now I know that before the Truth video plays in AC2 is says BCE (Before Common Era) but I'm going to brush that aside right now by saying that Subject 16 was never secure in time, so HIS view of time may be skewed.

Also, in ACB Subject 16 tells Desmond to find Eve. He could simply mean to find Eve's decendants and bloodline, but I find that unlikely as Desmond is her bloodline. No. I believe he needs to find Eve because he (or more likely his decendant) is Adam.

I think this is the case because of what the new 'mission' is after AC2. We need to now find the temples and activate them to stop the sun from destroying the Earth. While Desmond and company are off saving the world, I think Abstergo will find the PoE they need to enslave humanity. The Truth video we see in AC2 could be the world under Templar rule, and Adam and Eve are able to rise up against the Templars and lead humanity against them. In this Templar world, Desmond could need a new identity, Adam, but I find it more likely that Adam is a decendant of Desmond. The world in the Truth video seems too advanced to me. Obviously TWCB created the PoE, but I never pictured their civilization to have skyscrapers. That seems more modern.

The Templars are so arrogant that they might call their new civilization Eden, thinking it perfect like the bible, but not realizing that they are fullfilling a prophecy. Their aim for thousands of years has been to produce Eden. And 16 said to find Eve in Eden...

I think much of this world view fits because of what 16 says, "It's too late... everything you hope to become, everything you hold dear. It's already gone." So 16 is telling Desmond that his goal of defeating the Templar's is futile.

Also, the whole game, from AC1 until now could be like Inception. In that the whole time playing as Desmond, we are actually his son, Adam, in an Animus trying to find information about his dad. So to sync with his dad, Adam would have to live through Desmond syncing up with his ancestors in his Animus sessions. That could be a fun and interesting twist.

I know many things fit well with this idea, but I know just as well that there are many holes with it. As I said before, the BCE lable before the Truth video. Also I heard ideas that say it's Minerva holding the Apple in the Truth video, and after I heard that, I saw it more that way too.

Overall, I think this would be an interesting route should the game go this way, but I'm open to counter-arguments or other ideas.[[Special:Contributions/67.183.166.171|67.183.166.171]] 07:29, August 15, 2011 (UTC)sneff

== Similar Names ==

Has anyone noticed that 'ADAM and EVE' have the same letter beginning at their name as 'ALTAIR and EZIO'

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TeeEm ; Never used this Wiki before so haven't got a clue how to 'sign' something after posting, apologizes.

Am i the only one who notices Aveline and Eve's names sound kinda similar?

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Talk:Aveline de Grandpré

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==Just a Suggestion...==
This is just a suggestion, but concerning Aveline's mixed heritage, Creole would be a more concise term, since it is a person who is of French and African American ancestry like she. And a trivia piece could be that she resembles a pirate in some instances and her name is similar to Eveline Guerra's from AC: Revelations, and she too is a pirate. Strang3Happ3nings 21:14, June 2, 2012 (UTC)

:Her heritage is speculation, and the trivia is opinion. So I disagree. -- [[User:Master Sima Yi|Master Sima Yi]] [[User talk:Master Sima Yi|Clogs]] [[w:c:marvel-cinematic-universe|Marvel Studios]] 21:19, June 2, 2012 (UTC)
:So....they don't know what she is at this point? And that pirate thing is...not fact. Okay. Just making a suggestion. Strang3Happ3nings 06:48, June 4, 2012 (UTC)

::You can't realistically call her "African American", since America didn't realistically exist at that time, so no-one could be labelled as such until later on in time. [[User:Slate Vesper|Slate Vesper]] 19:06, June 4, 2012 (UTC)

::Now that we know for sure, she can be called Creole. Even though that term was used in Spanish America (Criollos) and Brasil (or they used "mestizo") as well for half Native, half European children, it means the same thing--someone of mixed ancestry. [[Special:Contributions/76.103.45.132|76.103.45.132]] 19:20, June 4, 2012 (UTC)

::French-African is more specific. [[User:Slate Vesper|Slate Vesper]] 19:22, June 4, 2012 (UTC)
::Creole means "A person descended from French ancestors in southern United States (especially Louisiana)" or "A person of European descent born in the West Indies or Latin America" so French-African is still the preferable term as it is more accurate and specific. ~ [[User:Gabriel Auditore|Gabriel Auditore]] [[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Gabriel Auditore|Let's talk]] 19:27, June 4, 2012 (UTC)

::Okay, so the term refers to someone like me and not Aveline. Gotcha. Well, either way, she looks like an AWESOME addition to the AC series...let's hope this game sails and ''stays'' afloat...Strang3Happ3nings 03:22, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

==Too soon?==
I filled out the article with a load of information from the leaked GI scans. Hope that's all right; don't want to go around breaking any rules or anything. ~ [[User:Gabriel Auditore|Gabriel Auditore]] [[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Gabriel Auditore|Let's talk]] 19:02, June 4, 2012 (UTC)

:While those details might be true, they need to be sourced properly. As such, I'd suggest you wait a while before it's re-added, so that we can get solid proof, such as a clear look at the GameInformer article's text. [[User:Slate Vesper|Slate Vesper]] 19:04, June 4, 2012 (UTC)

:I used the scans Rapnoize uploaded here, they're of decent quality and the text is legible. Anyways, I think we'll get some more info during Ubi's press conference and even more when the magazine actually comes out ~ [[User:Gabriel Auditore|Gabriel Auditore]] [[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Gabriel Auditore|Let's talk]] 19:15, June 4, 2012 (UTC)

==Aveline's full name==
This video reveals Aveline's full name (is in Spanish, but is from YouTube's Assassin's Creed Spanish account: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjl6dc6UBrk&feature=g-u-u
[[User:Dr Mutran|Dr Mutran]] 02:54, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

While that is something, we cannot be fully sure that the last part of her name has been translated into Spanish. To fully concrete it, we would need to see other sources, of which an English one would be most beneficial. [[User:Slate Vesper|Slate Vesper]] 03:10, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

:Character names in ACseries have been the same in all languages.. --{{User:Vatsa1708/sig}} 03:20, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

::Well, I know it's true now, since EscoBlades released a vignette on his channel, which is in English. [[User:Slate Vesper|Slate Vesper]] 03:23, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

== Vignette "Glitch"? ==

When watching the announcement trailer/vignette on Youtube, at 1:44, if you pause it, Aveline becomes someone else. Female but not herself. I suppose it's her mother? Maybe her mom is in Mexico? Strang3Happ3nings 03:58, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

:It could be a brief flash of exclusive outfits. From what I saw when I paused the video around the 0:44 mark repeatedly is that one outfit is a plain, but stylish frock, and the other is an elegant dress. [[User:Slate Vesper|Slate Vesper]] 04:04, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

::But this outfit looked like someone older...and she had a big forehead. :D Strang3Happ3nings 04:07, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

:::I would say that it's a view of who she was before she became an Assassin, to show that she was high class but also black. -- [[User:Master Sima Yi|Master Sima Yi]] [[User talk:Master Sima Yi|Clogs]] [[w:c:marvel-cinematic-universe|Marvel Studios]] 10:09, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

::::I would think it's an outfit to blend in for certain missions, because at 0:44 seconds she's wearing something different too. Oh, I hope we can change clothes in this one...>.<Strang3Happ3nings 16:07, June 5, 2012 (UTC) 16:03, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

:::::I guess that's what the "glitch" is for. To hint at outfits for Aveline. Also, I'd just like to mention that the reason why you believe she had a large forehead is probably because she had been wearing a hat before you noticed that outfit. Once the hat was taken off, she looks like she has a large forehead because you can see more of her head, along with what appears to be the hair combed backwards. [[User:Slate Vesper|Slate Vesper]] 16:20, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

:::::Yeah, I kinda figured her forehead isn't super huge; it's just the style. I noticed she has a noblewoman-looking outfit that's red with a white hat, too. And Connor changes clothes when he goes to sea, as well. So changing outfits is a new feature in the game! Yay! Strang3Happ3nings 16:34, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

::::::I don't believe it has been established that changing outfits is a feature in the game which isn't more that customization. [[User:Slate Vesper|Slate Vesper]] 16:54, June 5, 2012 (UTC)
:::::: Let me dream, okay?! T_T :D Strang3Happ3nings 17:08, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

== Relationship with Connor ==

Anyone else speculate that the reason someone else is in the animus instead of desmond is so they can make her connors love intrest

:She can't be Connor's love interest because she's not related to Desmond Miles. [[User:Slate Vesper|Slate Vesper]] 23:59, June 5, 2012 (UTC)
:We don't know that for sure...do we? I mean, Desmond doesn't necessarily have to be the one in the Animus to view her memories. It could be a cousin, an uncle, a sister, his mother....Strang3Happ3nings 00:02, June 6, 2012 (UTC)
:Why insist that she's related in some way to Desmond, just because her and his ancestor were said to have met each other? She doesn't need to be. Also, Desmond is not viewing her memories and he is not the only person who can use an Animus. Anyone can. [[User:Slate Vesper|Slate Vesper]] 00:11, June 6, 2012 (UTC)
:I'm not defending either side, just checking to see if there's a possibility so that no one will go around putting specs in articles about Connor's connection to Aveline...Some people want to romanticize every opposite-sex relationship...we'll see when the game comes out. But for now, hold onto your underwear. Strang3Happ3nings 00:21, June 6, 2012 (UTC)