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==Archive==
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== Codex pages ? ==

Ok here is the thing I just did the part where he talks to the uncle and says the leonardo da vinci or whatever can translate the pages went up and updated the map and I see where all the codex pages are it let me pick up one but it will not let me do the rest why? am I missing something

:Be more specific. What do you mean "will not let me do the rest"? And SIGN YOUR POSTS. -- [[User:Master Sima Yi|Master Sima Yi]] 15:51, January 20, 2011 (UTC)
::I may be wrong, but given a guess - due to the lack of information of your problem - I'd say that the scene you mean is in Mario's study. The Codex pages that are already on the wall you will not be able to take down. Mario already explained to Ezio that Giovanni managed to translate some. Now Leonardo has to do it as Giovanni is dead. The other Codex pages you collect are scattered throughout the cities and are marked on your map. All you need to do is run over the top of them to pick them up (or loot for some if I remember correct) . I hope that helps answer your question. [[User:Subject AMDR|Subject AMDR]] 16:31, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

In the picture where hes using the cannon he has the syrain sword when in game he has the common sword[[User:Willaca|Willaca]] 07:12, June 5, 2011 (UTC)

== Article Rename ==

Should we rename this article to simply "Ezio Auditore"? The "da Firenze" part would stay at the introduction of the article as this is Ezio's full name, but all of the Auditores in the in-game databases are listed without the "da Firenze" attached at the end. [[Leonardo da Vinci]]'s article would stay the way it is, because Leonardo had no surname. — [[User:M.C.Tales|M.C.Tales]] 18:43, June 6, 2011 (UTC)

:Whilst you do have a valid point, the extreme majority of readers coming to this site will be expecting to see "da Firenze" as part of the article title. It also allows us to differentiate the Florentine Auditore from their family in Monteriggioni (namely Mario and Domenico); as such I think it best if we leave the article name as is. On a related note, Giovanni at one point tells Ezio he is of the ''"Auditore da Firenze"'', once again differentiating between those in Florence, and those without. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' [[User talk:Jasca Ducato|Council Chamber]] [[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato|Assassination record]] 20:29, June 6, 2011 (UTC)

== Pictures ==

Is there a better version of [[:File:Ezio_standing.png|this picture?]] [[User:ShenLong Kazama|ShenLong Kazama]] 15:37, June 9, 2011 (UTC)

I saw that there are a few others but not very big, so is there no bigger version of that picture or [[:File:ACR_Ezio.png|here]]. [[User:ShenLong Kazama|ShenLong Kazama]] 19:00, June 13, 2011 (UTC)

==Age==
are you 40 years of age in assassins creed 4
:There is no ''Assassin's Creed IV'', we haven't even seen ''Assassin's Creed III'' yet. Sign your posts. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' [[User talk:Jasca Ducato|Council Chamber]] [[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato|Assassination record]] 20:01, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
:And Ezio was 48 in 1507, he is 58 in 1511, the years the ''Revelations ''begins. [[User:AssassinRome|'''Assassino de Roma''']] 20:10, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
::Isn't he 52 in 1511 ? -- [[User:Friibbe|Friibbe]] 20:15, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
:::Rome fails. -- [[User:Master Sima Yi|Master Sima Yi]] 20:19, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
::::Math fail. Although he definitely looks like he's aged like 15 years in the game. Look at his eyes! In the trailer and the cover art he looks fine, but in the game they did a poor job. I hope they touch up on his face before release. [[Special:Contributions/66.75.122.44|66.75.122.44]] 02:48, June 18, 2011 (UTC)

::::I heard he was 45 when Revelations began, and somewhere around 50-53 at the endof the game in Seuqence 9.
::::Kenway 14:09, August 9, 2012 (UTC)

::::You couldn't be any farther from the truth. He was 47 by the time Brotherhood ended. [[User:The Leaping Eagle|The Leaping Eagle]] ([[User talk:The Leaping Eagle|talk]]) 14:14, August 9, 2012 (UTC)

::::How old was Ezio at the beginning of Brotherhood? [[User:MB543|MB543]] ([[User talk:MB543|talk]]) 20:38, November 25, 2013 (UTC)MB543
:::::Isn't that easy enough to figure out, given that he was born in June 1459, and Brotherhood begins at the end of 1499, beginning of 1500... making Ezio 40. [[User:Sadelyrate|Sadelyrate]] ([[w:c:assassinscreed:User talk:Sadelyrate|siniath]]) 00:07, November 26, 2013 (UTC)

== NOTICE: Article under revamp by Apprentice DarkFeather ==

Hey all. I've been tasked with revamping the article as part of my apprenticeship. If you have any ideas, post here. Thanks. -- DarkFeather [[User:DarkFeather|There will be blood -- just make sure it's the right person's.]] 03:52, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

Are you the one who's changed the article? Can you please take off some of the pictures please, it's getting ridiculously irritating reading the article and getting distracted by all the bloody images from the games. It seems a little redundant to have so many. Why not just put all the extra pictures in the gallery instead? [[User:Marael|Marael]] 01:48, July 2, 2011 (UTC)

== Bleeding Effect? ==
Isn't it possible that Ezio could've been suffering from a bleeding effect of some kind, that allowed him to see Altair at certain parts of his life? So that's why he could see Altair at the end of the cinematic trailer when he's about to be hanged? [[User:Nakedsnake53|Nakedsnake53]] 21:13, July 17, 2011 (UTC)
:No. He was seeing Altaïr due to his proximity to, and the affects of, the [[Seals of Altaïr|seals]]. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' [[User talk:Jasca Ducato|Council Chamber]] [[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato|Assassination record]] 11:38, July 18, 2011 (UTC)

== No Relation. ==

http://kotaku.com/5823431/what-i-thought-i-knew-about-assassins-creed-revelations-was-partially-wrong

Okay...so I guess that Altair and Ezio are not related by any means, apparently at one point down the road in Ezio's bloodline it joined with Altair's bloodline, and then down that road it spat out Desmond...

I could have sworn that Mario described Altair as Ezio's ancestor when he revealed Altair's armor in AC:2, not to mention the notes found in the Auditore family crypt saying that they were really immigrants kind of implied the relation, apparently there is none... guess I was wrong.[[User:Harleyzone|Harleyzone]] 01:51, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

I think this is not a valid source... until Ubisoft claims thats true!! [[User:Maki-san|Maki-san]] 01:08, July 23, 2011 (UTC)Maki-san

It has been comfirmed, by ubisoft at the Comic-Con. There was an Q&A event.

http://comic-con.gamespot.com/video/6325033/comic-con-2011-panel-assassins-creed-the-creation-of-a-universe?tag=updates%3Beditor%3Ball%3Btitle%3B5 [[User:MasterHank|MasterHank]] 00:35, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

Who says Ezio died in 1524? [[User:Toa Makao|Makao]] 19:35, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

During the making of video for the Encyclopedia it showed the year he died. -- ► '''''[[User:Kaloneous|Kaloneous]]''''' ◄[[User talk:Kaloneous| ♣HelpDesk♣]] 19:36, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

So, Ezio isn't Altaïr's descendant. It's seems funny to me, considering [[Talk:Ezio Auditore da Firenze/Archive 1#Ancestor.3F|this discussion.]] [[User:Erik1310|Erik1310]] 17:41, September 21, 2011 (UTC)

Not only was it confirmed in the Q&A event, but in AC II Lucy clearly states that the templars were using Desmond's ancestors (Altair & Ezio) for their own ends.

==New lead quote==
Hey,I was just looking at ezio's quote at he top of the page, and i thought it could be better, I was thinking about what he said towards the end of the extended E3 cinematic trailer in his letter to claudia, "my story is the one of many thousands, the world will not suffer if it ends too soon",tell me what you think[[User:RomanEagle|RomanEagle]] 21:58, September 28, 2011 (UTC)
:That's a crap quote. Why would our lead quote, one that is suppose to encapsulate the life our the article's subject in a single sentence, simply mention what might happen if he died? --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' [[User talk:Jasca Ducato|Council Chamber]] [[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato|Assassination record]] 00:27, September 29, 2011 (UTC)

:I know this is in the wrong section BUT. Can someone please edit the article where its talking about how in Revelations that ezio escapes from the Bald guy than straight away chases him in a chariot and kills him as this information is incorrect and is obvious for a few reasons.
:- Ezio in the gameplay video has the hookblade which he accquires in Constantinople, aka after escaping from the bald guy
:- Ezio is able to craft bombs which he learns in Constantinople not by himself
:- MOST IMPORTANTLY there is no refernence in what has been written and a voice over gameplay video describes how Ezio is after the FINAL seal which is in the hands of the Bald guy NOT the first seal!
:Thanks [[Special:Contributions/121.218.77.96|121.218.77.96]] 23:59, October 2, 2011 (UTC)
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You are in the wrong section! More importantly the article you are refering to is the [[Search for the Seals]] article and it is written in such a away as to be ambiguous until further information is revealed. Also some of you points are unconfirmed too and are solely based on interviews and AC community references and neither you nor the article can have any truly confirmed information until the events are shown in game. -- ► '''''[[User:Kaloneous|Kaloneous]]''''' ◄[[User talk:Kaloneous| ♣HelpDesk♣]] 01:14, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

== deeper connection? ==

I know that its been stated that Ezio and Altair aren't related to each other as was once believed. But I can't help but notice certain similarities between the two. I know the out of game explination about why they look a like is because they were modeled after the same person. But I'm wondering if the in game explination will show some sort of connection between the two other than the fact they both became leaders of the Assassin Order and both are ancestors to Desmond. Plus they have the exact same facial scar.

Well, they are related through Desmond, so it's not strange.[[User:PingoEagle|PingoEagle]] 16:22, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

: They are related through the Auditore family line. They're not related Genetically, but the oldest member of the Auditore family was trained in the ways of the assassins by Marco Polo, who was trained by one of Altair's Descendants.[[Special:Contributions/173.80.146.251|173.80.146.251]] 04:54, November 22, 2011 (UTC)
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Scars are in no way genetic. It's just a massive coincidence that Altair, Ezio and Desmond all obtained identical scars on their mouths at one point in their lives. - [[Special:Contributions/121.217.40.74|121.217.40.74]] 12:53, March 10, 2012 (UTC):

Of course they are related Genetically. That's the whole point of the animus thing. Desmond can see the lives of his ancestors. '''[[Special:Contributions/90.46.247.245|90.46.247.245]] 13:15, December 16, 2012 (UTC)'''

== Tabbed infobox picture ==

Would anyone have objections if I set up tabs for the infobox picture, for his differing attire across all 3 games. I would try and keep Revelations as the default, and perhaps order them in reverse chronological order. [[Special:Contributions/86.16.215.94|86.16.215.94]] 18:12, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

== Assassin's creed quotes ==

What does the quote ''Nothing is true, everything is permitted.'' mean to you guys? :) [[User:Theshaq|Theshaq]] 13:44, November 19, 2011 (UTC)

: To me, ''Nothing is true, ''means not to believe everything at base value. ''Everything is permitted, ''to me, means to seek to understand everything by your own means, not in the way you're TOLD to think.

: ''Nothing is true, everything is permitted. [[Special:Contributions/173.80.146.251|173.80.146.251]] 04:49, November 22, 2011 (UTC)''

: Ezio actually explains it to Sofia in Revelations. He states that, "it is an observation of the nature of reality. To say, 'nothing is true', is to realize that the foundations of society are fragile, and that we must be the shepherds of our own civilization. To say, 'everything is permitted', is to understand that we are the architects of our actions, and that we must live with their consequences, whether glorious or tragic." So you can either take his answer or go with another explanation. [[User:Auditore7|Auditore7]] 17:11, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

== He died quite youngly? ==

As for a man with extraordinary physical skills, he was super-fit and I wonder why he lived to only 65 years. I know that life standards in medieval were worse than now, but even Altair lived for 92 years, which is an excellent age as of his time. What do you think? [[User:Xeoxer|Xeoxer]] 22:38, November 19, 2011 (UTC)
:Altair lived to the age of ninety-two because he had too, in order for the events of ''The Secret Crusade'' to make sense. Ezio on the other hand, lives to an age much more in-line with reality. -'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' [[User talk:Jasca Ducato|Council Chamber]] [[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato|Assassination record]] 04:29, November 20, 2011 (UTC)

:Altair lived for so long because ha had the apple, which probably gave him a longer life span that was normal, Ezio was really weak by the time he was 65, and he was weakened even more by the fight in his villa. And the lifespan around then was about there. [[User:RomanEagle|RomanEagle]] 22:47, January 19, 2012 (UTC)

:A guy saw a templar cross on the young man's wrist (the one who talked to Ezio in his final moments).

:http://download.gameblog.fr/images/blogs/30153/113396_med.jpg

:I don't have the movie, but could someone watche it again and tell us if he sees this ?

:'''[[Special:Contributions/90.46.247.245|90.46.247.245]] 12:10, December 14, 2012 (UTC)'''

:It's difficult to say. The hand is blured by the movement, but there is something like that'''. - '''[[User:Klisurovi4|Klisurovi4]] ([[User talk:Klisurovi4|talk]]) 20:22, February 11, 2013 (UTC)

== Legacy Translation Problem ==

Hey, in the section called Legacy, It says 'mio caro' onstead of 'mio cara'

While this IS what the subtitles say, it's NOT what the script said, let alone the fact that Sofia is NOT a man. >_< Also, there is a grammatical issue as well in the second to last sentence. I reccommend changing the section to:

''"When I was a young man, I had liberty, but I did not see it. I had time, but I did not know it. And I had love, but I did not feel it. Many decades would pass before I understood the meaning of all three. And now, the twilight of my life, misunderstanding has past into contentment. Love, liberty, and time: once was so disposable, are the fuels that drive me forward. And love, most especially, mio cara. For you, our children, our brothers and sisters, and for the vast and wonderful world that gave us life, and keeps us guessing. Endless affection, mio Sofia.''

Forever yours, Ezio Auditore."

[[User:DannyDeLaSoul|DannyDeLaSoul]] 03:06, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

== Heart attack? ==

been a bit of an online debate about this with no clear winner as yet so putting htis here to find some solid facts . this all relates to the young arrogant man with a joker like scar grabbing Ezio's hand before his death. other than watching embers is there any confirmation as to how Ezio died as the movie can lead one to believe he was either poisened by the young man or died of a heart attack. the young man is very much fitting with other templar attacks and matches the look and style of a in game stalker perfectly. as well as his Roma refrence a good subtle insult as to one of the great templar loses.[[Special:Contributions/203.219.85.18|203.219.85.18]] 09:38, December 6, 2011 (UTC)

#Or maybe he was a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_(personification) methaphorical personification of death] that only Ezio could see. [[Special:Contributions/94.253.132.196|94.253.132.196]] 06:31, December 8, 2011 (UTC)
I choose to believe (with no evidence I might add) that the young, cocky, scarred fellow was an Assassin sent to follow and protect Ezio in Florence (as opposed to his remote villa). And that last smile and advice 'Have courage' was a mark of respect from a young Assassin to an old master. [[User:Mercenari|Mercenari]] 01:12, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

== Birthday, Julian or Gregorian? ==

I was recently wondering whether Ezio's dates of birth and death were using the Julian or Gregorian calendar. If his birthday, 24 June, is Julian, then he was actually born on 3 July (Gregorian). What opinions do you have? [[Special:Contributions/174.117.168.64|174.117.168.64]] 00:14, January 14, 2012 (UTC)

==Profile Picture==
Why is Ezios brotherhood picture up instead of the newest one? [[User:RomanEagle|RomanEagle]] 22:48, January 19, 2012 (UTC)

Well, our administrator Sima here explains it best by saying, and I quote: "There are three versions of Ezio, and the latest is not necessarily the best. The Encyclopedia handles his Brotherhood appearance, and Brotherhood was the middle game... middle being the most subjective." [[User:Nostalgia AC|'''Nostalgia AC''']] [[User_Talk:Nostalgia AC|Let's talk.]] 22:50, January 19, 2012 (UTC)

In the later section of Ezios life story, theres this article:

==Sources??==
The page staes that late in Ezios life, I think during the time of AC:Embers, all of this happened, but none of it was in Embers, so where are the sources for this event and how do we know it happened. I will say, I have played Revelations, watched Embers, and read the Revelations book. I remember late in the book it mentioned Leonardo dying and Ezio and Machiavelli going to visit him on his deathbed and the king saying he was there, beside Leonardo. And as they were leaving Ezio makes a comment about how "Kings will do anything for publicity" So try reading the book.[[User:Ezio Auditore 1459|Ezio Auditore ]] 03:03, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

By 1519, Ezio had suffered a chest infection and as a result devolped a serious cough, he also, had begun to write his memoir.

A visit from Machiavelli revealed grim news to Ezio, his friend Leonardo was dying. The pair traveled to Amboise, France to the manor Clos Luce, where Leonardo was staying.

Ezio learned that his friend wished to travel outside of the manor to places like England or even back to Venice where he hoped to sell his submarine idea, seeing as he was disappointed with his patron's last creation, that being of a giant mechanical lion.

The pair stayed in France for another week, and was with Leonardo until his death. Upon their departure, rumors began to spread that King Francis was with Leonardo until he died, Ezio was disgusted by this rumor and believed that anyone, even a king would do anything for publicity.

[[Assassin's Creed: Revelations (novel)|Revelations novel]] --[[User:Amnestyyy|'''Nesty''']] [[User_Talk:Amnestyyy|Contact me!]] 20:28, January 21, 2012 (UTC)

== New Pic ==

Could we have a new pic like maybe this one.[[User:Ghost Master Assassin|Ghost Master Assassin]] 09:45, February 16, 2012 (UTC)[[File:4475-wolf-1348796937867484.jpg|thumb|This one]]

I prefer the current one, plus I saw somewhere that the current pic is the most known/most recognizable. [[User:Master Decoder|Master Decoder]] 09:48, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

== Ancestry ==

I have a question and there's a big debate about it between two friends and I.

We all have different opinions as an answer but neither of us are sure, so here's the question:

Is there any relation between Altair and Ezio? Is Altair an ancestor of Ezio's by blood, or did Ezio mean assassin-wise?

I know on the back of the Revelations signature edition (if not all edition) case, he refers to Altair as "my ancestor" but that could be any kind of "ancestor"...

If you possibly can, please try to give me answer or some kind of lead to an answer.

~~SoUmad?BN 15:13, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

:The back of the ''Revelations'' box is wrong. Altaïr and Ezio share no relationship by blood. -- [[User:Master Sima Yi|Master Sima Yi]] 15:15, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

:Well, if they don't share any relationship at all it wouldn't make sense that desmond is watching their genetic memories in the animus, i tought an ubisoft guy had cleared out that they are related, but they are from different "branches" (mom, dad, blah) of Altair's family, even after this, i still believe that ezio is a direct descendant, why? because ubisoft is just messy with most things in their stories (i.e Hidden blade mechanism) and it's more epic that way. [[Special:Contributions/201.167.63.240|201.167.63.240]] 12:36, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

:It's possible that this is a move by Ubisoft to make Desmond more skilled, having the blood of Ezio and Altair flowing through his veins from different sides of his family tree, rather than Altair's blood being diluted. [[Special:Contributions/95.150.134.63|95.150.134.63]] 15:15, April 1, 2012 (UTC)
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Ezio and Altair aren't related at all. Desmond is the point at which these bloodlines merge together. Just figured I'd clear that up. [[User:Slate Vesper|Slate Vesper]] 15:18, April 1, 2012 (UTC)

==Apple of Eden==
Hey ...I was just curious and this might just be my lack of observation....But anyway i cannot appear to solve it....In "Assasin's creed : II " and "Assasin's Creed : Brotherhood" Ezio appears to have found the "Apple of Eden"...But later in "Revelations" it is shown that the ancestor Altair sealed the Apple along with himself in Masyaf until Ezio came and opened it for himself using the Masyaf Keys...If Altair already possesed the Apple then how did Ezio find them in the first place....Or was it Ezio that brought the Apple to the Chamber of Altair in the last sequence of "Revelations"....But Ezio refused to touch the apple (because of the previous experience he had with the apple ) implying that he didn't bring the Apple..So what is the reason ...Are there more than one Apple of Eden...Please reply the curiosity is killing me.....[[Special:Contributions/117.199.1.20|117.199.1.20]] 18:06, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

:<nowiki>*</nowiki>facepalm* Yes, there is more than one Apple of Eden... could you not have found that out yourself by looking on the wiki? We have no problem answering questions, as long as the answer isn't already obviously on the wiki. The known Apples of Eden are the [[First Apple]], [[Second Apple]], [[Third Apple]], [[Fourth Apple]], [[Fifth Apple]] and [[Ezio's Apple]]. Altaïr had the Second Apple while Ezio had an unnamed Apple... -- [[User:Master Sima Yi|Master Sima Yi]] 18:11, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

== Request for Spelling ==

To anyone who can edit a protected page: please correct a typo in the section 'Romantic life', last paragraph, where it says 'Maysaf' instead of 'Masyaf'. Cheers, --[[Special:Contributions/93.175.6.235|93.175.6.235]] 23:33, March 22, 2012 (UTC)

==Cristina Memories==
Shouldn't all of the Cristina memories be in his biography, rather than just the third and fifth?[[Special:Contributions/95.150.134.63|95.150.134.63]] 15:09, April 1, 2012 (UTC)

==Date of Birth==
Where is Ezio's date of birth stated?[[Special:Contributions/95.150.134.63|95.150.134.63]] 15:17, April 1, 2012 (UTC)

Well it's easy. If Ezio was 17 in 1476 then 1476-17= 1469. About the day and month, i think they are written in the Offiacial [[Assassin's Creed: Encyclopedia|Encyclopedia]]. [[User:Electra Mak.|Electra Mak.]] 19:22, April 19, 2012 (UTC)
:The source given (right next to the information in question) is ''Assassin's Creed II'', so I suspect it is from the database entry. --{{Signature/Jasca Ducato}} 20:00, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

:Ezio was born in 1459, if he was born in 1469, in 1476 he would have been 7 years old, plus when you subtract
:1476-17 it equals to 1459 not 1469, also it says when he was born right here in on the wiki tipe in his name in the search bar and you will see.[[User:Assassin75ibn|Assassin75ibn]] 20:23, April 19, 2012 (UTC)Assassin75ibn

:I meant the June 24th thing. [[User:The Leaping Eagle|The Leaping Eagle]] 20:59, April 26, 2012 (UTC)
::June 24th is Midsummer's Day. Once again, it's mentioned in the database (for Brotherhoos, I believe). --{{Signature/Jasca Ducato}} 07:44, April 27, 2012 (UTC)

:::I'm quite sure it was the ''Renaissance'' novel, and his complete birthdate was also shown in the promo trailer for ''Revelations''. -- [[User:Master Sima Yi|Master Sima Yi]] 08:31, April 27, 2012 (UTC)

:::No, I finished reading Renaissance and his date of birth isn't mentioned. [[User:The Leaping Eagle|The Leaping Eagle]] 18:53, April 27, 2012 (UTC)

::::No, it didn't, but I was quite sure it mentioned that Ezio is born on Midsummer's Day. -- [[User:Master Sima Yi|Master Sima Yi]] 19:35, April 27, 2012 (UTC)
:::::''"Ezio could not believe it was Midsummer's Day, in the Year of Christ 1487. His twenty-eighth birthday."'' (src: ''Assassin's Creed: Renaissance'' - Chapter 21) --{{Signature/Jasca Ducato}} 03:12, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

:::::Yeah, it doesn't say his date of birth directly but as Midsummer's Day, not perfect, but it's good enough for me. [[User:The Leaping Eagle|The Leaping Eagle]] 10:46, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

== No relation to Clay ==

I just felt like clearing this up. Me and Steen spoke with Jeffrey Yohalem about this after the podcast, so it's not actually included in the podcast and thus I have no proof that we actually did ask this but obviously I wouldn't lie about this. Jeffrey said that Clay has no relation to Ezio at all. As you can see in ''The Lost Archive'', they found out about the name Ezio Auditore from Clay's memories but he did not actually relive them. That is why it says "match" when Desmond enters the Animus in the beginning of ''Assassin's Creed II'', Desmond's DNA gives a match between what is found in Clay's memories. As for the glyphs and clusters, those are placed in Italy from the Animus interface, they aren't overwritten to Ezio's own memories; that's not possible. It's never directly stated that Clay is Ezio's descendant, not even in the ''Encyclopedia''. -- [[User:Master Sima Yi|Master Sima Yi]] 10:19, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

:Clay's database? [[User:The Leaping Eagle|The Leaping Eagle]] 10:47, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

::Doesn't say so explicitly either. -- [[User:Master Sima Yi|Master Sima Yi]] 10:55, April 29, 2012 (UTC)
:::''"...Because somewhere back along our extensive family chain, we both have Ezio to thank for the gift of life. Both of us are related to him. And both of us had nice little jaunts through his memories, although I had access to far fewer memories than you did."'' (src: ''Assassin's Creed: Revelations'' - Clay database file). They're related. --{{Signature/Jasca Ducato}} 12:48, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

::::Yes, I just looked it up too on this very same moment. I'll see if I can ask Darby and/or Jeffrey about this. -- [[User:Master Sima Yi|Master Sima Yi]] 12:51, April 29, 2012 (UTC)
:::::You're right about the glyphs though, partially. The rifts in ''Brotherhood'' were said to "correspond" with locations in Renaissance Rome; whilst the glyphs in ACII were said to actually be in the memories, I believe. --{{Signature/Jasca Ducato}} 12:57, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

::::::I'd also like to put in that ''The Lost Archive'' doesn't treat Clay as a descendant of Ezio at all. I'm thinking it may have been a communicative issue. Though I just sent a message Darby's way, hopefully he can give a bit of clarification! -- [[User:Master Sima Yi|Master Sima Yi]] 13:03, April 29, 2012 (UTC)
:::::::I don't dispute that, though I would point out that the focus of TLA is on Clay himself, and the story of his life and death. Very little face-time is given to ''any'' of his ancestors, beyond the bleeding effect room. --{{Signature/Jasca Ducato}} 13:11, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

::::::::I was more talking about that Clay relives the memories of an Italian ancestor from whom the name "Ezio Auditore" is heard, and that Vidic then orders someone to find out what they can about him. If Clay was a descendant of Ezio I think that was a bit redundant, but I will wait to hear a response and keep you posted here. -- [[User:Master Sima Yi|Master Sima Yi]] 13:14, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

::::::::Doesn't Lucy state in Assassin's Creed II that Vidic flagged Clay's sessions with Ezio?[[User:The Leaping Eagle|The Leaping Eagle]] 15:01, April 29, 2012 (UTC)
::::::::She says that Vidic became obsessed with the Vault (when talking about 16's sessions in the Animus), but never explicitly mentions Ezio. --{{Signature/Jasca Ducato}} 15:15, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

:::::::::Just heard back from Darby and he says Jeffrey is just wrong, and a bit stubborn. So yes, Clay is related to Ezio! Sorry for all the fuss. -- [[User:Master Sima Yi|Master Sima Yi]] 15:50, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

:::::::::Glad this is over now. I would never believe they weren't related anyway.[[User:The Leaping Eagle|The Leaping Eagle]] 15:54, April 29, 2012 (UTC)
Aha, stubborness is something we can all relate too. I was getting worried they had gone the LucasArt way and started changes the continuity just for the hell of it. --{{Signature/Jasca Ducato}} 17:03, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

FINALLY!!!! the proof i was looking for!!!!!! Thanks {{Signature/Jasca Ducato}} and [[User:Master Sima Yi|Master Sima Yi]] for the clear up. i never doubted that clay was a decendent of ezio. it just added up and made sense. this was a very progressive and good debate. and [[User:Master Sima Yi|Master Sima Yi]] i have so many question for you to ask Darby and Jeffrey. ([[User:Arabian411269|Arabian411269]] 20:18, April 30, 2012 (UTC))

:Well, I'm not planning on overloading them with questions. XD -- [[User:Master Sima Yi|Master Sima Yi]] 20:19, April 30, 2012 (UTC)

:aw man! well i'll post three in the next days. let the wiki choose which one to ask. ([[User:Arabian411269|Arabian411269]] 20:33, April 30, 2012 (UTC))

::If you want to ask them questions, I'm afraid you'll have to do that by yourself. I don't want to bother them with questions in their free time. It's more like I have... personal contact with Darby I think, not necessarily as a representative of the wiki. -- [[User:Master Sima Yi|Master Sima Yi]] 20:38, April 30, 2012 (UTC)

==Infobox image==
I just wanted to ask, is there a reason why Ezio's picture is of him in his Roman robes from Brotherhood? Is it because it's recognizable or just by popular opinion?

I'd like to see him in Giovanni's robes, because that's how he started out, but I don't know, I was just curious. [[User:AssassinOfAus|AssassinOfAus]] 12:14, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

:Staff said a while ago we're using the most recognizable appearance for each major character. This is also why Al doesn't have his old, Mentor self as an infobox image, but his well-known AC1 robes.--[[User:-S-|Kainzorus Prime]] [[User talk:-S-|Walkie-talkie]] 12:28, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

::That, and there are three real game appearances to choose from, so using the middle one would be the most neutral. His ''Brotherhood'' appearance is also his main picture used in the ''Encyclopedia''. -- [[User:Master Sima Yi|Master Sima Yi]] 12:43, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

==Forehead Scar==
In Revelations I noticed that Ezio has a second scar on the side of his forehead. How did he get it? Should it be added to the trivia? I hope I will get at least one of these questions answered. [[User:The Leaping Eagle|The Leaping Eagle]] 21:23, June 27, 2012 (UTC)

This second scar was mentioned in the Assassins Creed:Rennesainse Novel.

{{SUBST:User:Jim Logan/Sig}} 23:19, June 27, 2012 (UTC)

Well, it isn't present in AC2 or ACB. [[User:The Leaping Eagle|The Leaping Eagle]] 15:34, June 28, 2012 (UTC)

Well it was most likely hidden under his hair and eventual hood.

{{SUBST:User:Jim Logan/Sig}} 22:52, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

Noting that Ezio had a scar on his forehead is as trivial as putting "Ezio had a ponytail."

The only real reason why the lip scar was considered trivia-worthy before was because it seemed like a running feature, though that was disproven with [[Connor Kenway|Connor]]. [[User:Slate Vesper|Slate Vesper]] 00:06, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

I understand, but I disagree with the comparison to "Ezio had a ponytail". How did he get the scar? [[User:The Leaping Eagle|The Leaping Eagle]] 18:10, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

One of the rocks that was thrown had him hit him in the head(Also how he got his lip scar), it is barley visable in the game though.

{{SUBST:User:Jim Logan/Sig}} 21:31, July 23, 2012 (UTC)
==Picture==
Can I change Ezio's picture to the version of Ezio from ACII please or not? [[User:Awesomekid120|Awesomekid120]] ([[User talk:Awesomekid120|talk]]) 21:42, December 7, 2012 (UTC)Awesomekid120

:No. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 13:49, December 16, 2012 (UTC)

==Right Handed==
Is it really necessary to note that he's right handed? He uses his weapons with his right hand, and I think if he was left handed he would wear his Hidden Blade on his right wrist, instead of his left. [[User:The Leaping Eagle|The Leaping Eagle]] 15:13, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

Wow, this post is old. Just goes to show that no one really cares about you once you're gone =p But yeah, it's mentioned he is right-handed in [[Assassin's Creed: Renaissance]]. {{User:Gabriel Auditore/sig}} 16:45, August 17, 2012 (UTC)

I know, I've read it twice. I don't find it noteworthy, however. {{User:The Crimson Eagle/sig}} 16:46, August 17, 2012 (UTC)

==Murdered?==
I know this has been discussed before, but could it be added to the article under the name of "Murder conspiracy" that the young man could of killed him? If you search Ezio's death on YouTube you can see things that points to this:

1: The man grabs Ezio's hand roughly as to keep him still.

2: The man touches Ezio's shoulder and there's a weird sound like a blade hitting him, possibly poison?

3: Once he lets go of Ezio's shoulder, Ezio touches his shoulder and gives an expression of pain.

4: This is the most evident one; once the man walks away from Ezio, you can see the Templar Cross on his wrist for a split-second. Here's a link to it in one frame: watch the entire video, it's hard to see at first. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzCpLZFbj6I

[[Special:Contributions/66.131.163.32|66.131.163.32]] 20:16, February 16, 2013 (UTC)
:No, because ''conspiracy'' means speculation, and that is not allowed on main-space articles. {{User:Stormbeast/sig}} 20:18, February 16, 2013 (UTC)
So there's nowhere this could be added? [[Special:Contributions/66.131.163.32|66.131.163.32]] 20:21, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

==Lothario?==
Does anyone remember when Piri Reis thought Ezio's real name was Lothario? Well, I did a small amount of research (funny how quickly your goals change on the internet), and I found something interesting. Apparently, a lothario is "A man whose chief interest is seducing, usually women", which seems to match Ezio's personality; is this worthy of being in the trivia, or something? Did Ubi actually intend this when they wrote that? --{{User:The Crimson Eagle/sig}} 23:55, March 29, 2013 (UTC)

:Yes, I am fairly sure that was Darby's intention when he wrote the script. He put in quite a few interesting bits in it. I'd say it's worthy of being trivia. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 23:57, March 29, 2013 (UTC)

::Bit of an anachronism, then, given it was first used in that sense in the 18th century... but then, how many Italians spoke English in Constantinople in the 16th century? ;) [[User:Sadelyrate|Sadelyrate]] ([[User talk:Sadelyrate|talk]]) 08:34, March 30, 2013 (UTC)
:::Since the Animus translated most of the language, not many. --{{User:The Crimson Eagle/sig}} 15:17, April 1, 2013 (UTC)

==Main image==
this picture should be changed to the previous picture or to his robe from revelations, it just looks better. {{unsigned|Mike2400}}
:No, we're being neutral by using the robes he wore in the second of his three games, which is also his Encyclopedia image. Personally, those are Ezio's most iconic robes, not his father's, or that pilgrimage cardigan. --[[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] ([[User talk:Alientraveller|talk]]) 11:01, May 28, 2013 (UTC)
::Besides, previous image was of much lower resolution, and the only notable difference was the positioning of crossed arms. --[[User:Kainzorus Prime|Kainzorus Prime]] [[User talk:Kainzorus Prime|Walkie-talkie]] 16:12, May 28, 2013 (UTC)

== Image change proposal ==
Hello; I've found a [http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-aj_rBSxbgE4/UY6TmACw5DI/AAAAAAAAAJc/hK7MX0eZh5o/s1600/Ezio_Auditore_in_ACR.png render] of Ezio from ''AC Reveletions''. I'm proposing a change of the image and say we put it into a vote like we did for [[Talk:Altaïr ibn-La'Ahad|Alty's image]].{{unsigned|Altaïr Skywalker 47}}

:Please sign your posts. That said, I'm personally in favour of changing the image, but others here feel that the ''Brotherhood'' image is best, so it's them you'll have to convince. (I should point out that we're not obliged to use the 'latest' available image of a person, rather the best.) --{{Signature/Jasca Ducato}} 08:34, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

:Yeah, no. That render is significantly lower-res than the current one, has the Levantine insignia on the front and white bits on the arms and legs. --[[User:Kainzorus Prime|Kainzorus Prime]] [[User talk:Kainzorus Prime|Walkie-talkie]] 09:04, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
::So long as it can comfortably fit into the default 250px, image-resolution doesn't matter. Also, the fact that the armour has the levantine symbol on it is relevant, how? --{{Signature/Jasca Ducato}} 09:27, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

:::He is referring to the fact that it does not appear in the final game, but neither do Ezio's identical bracers. I am not in favor of a render of Ezio in ''ACR'', both because that's an outfit he wore for just two years and Ezio is labelled by Ubisoft as being in his 'prime' in ''ACB''. I would also be fine with an image of ''AC2'' since that's an outfit he wore for a long time, but ''ACR'' just feels wrong to me. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 11:38, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
::::Personally, I prefer the ''ACR'' render (mainly due to his pose, however), but I can understand you reasoning. --{{Signature/Jasca Ducato}} 11:58, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

:I don't really want an ''ACR'' render, not this one again, anyway. I'm not really fond of the one we have now either, to be honest. I would prefer the previous ''ACB'' one we had, or the "anniversary render". I would be happy with an ''AC2'' one as well, since that was his introduction and spanned the longest time. On a final note: Skywalker, it would probably would have been best if you had just set up a vote and gave various images we could switch to. Also, you should link to the right page. --{{User:The Crimson Eagle/sig}} 12:32, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
::I have just noticed, Skywalker, that you have hotlinked that particular image. Although this is not against website policy, per se, it's not exactly good practice. --{{Signature/Jasca Ducato}} 13:35, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

:::Hey JD, Sorry, but I just voted positively to your forum. Anyway, I'll just give it a shot and put up a vote for the image change. One final note: I didn't receive any emails about the discussion here. Sorry for the slow reply. I just heard my name in JD's forum and came here. [[User:Altaïr Skywalker 47|'''Alty''']] [[User talk:Altaïr Skywalker 47|'''Death Star''']] 11:59, July 26, 2013 (UTC)

== Le Vote ==

So, as per [[User:The Crimson Eagle|Red Altaïr]]'s suggestion, I'm putting up a vote for changing the main image of Ezio. This poll will be up for a week. Following are the renders I propose:

<gallery>
ACB Ezio render.png|Current render
ACAnniversary-Ezio Render.png|Anniversary render
ACR Ezio Auditore.png|''Revelations'' render
</gallery>

<s>===Le Vote===
====Current render====
#For the record, this one has the highest resolution. --[[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] ([[User talk:Alientraveller|talk]]) 15:27, August 1, 2013 (UTC)
#It shows him in his prime, making it an excellent header. Plus, it's brighter and more "there" than the Anniversary render. [[User:Dragonzzilla|Dragonzzilla]] ([[User talk:Dragonzzilla|talk]]) 15:44, August 1, 2013 (UTC)
#The anniversary one is cool-looking, but I prefer this one for it's high-resolution. Maybe, just maybe, we could start thinking about the tabbed infoboxes the anon mentioned up above almost two years ago. {{User:Stormbeast/sig}} 17:26, August 1, 2013 (UTC)
#Don't see anything wrong with this one. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 17:40, August 1, 2013 (UTC)
#I worked my ass off to render that image in this absurd-res size, and won't accept an inferior substitute. --[[User:Kainzorus Prime|Kainzorus Prime]] [[User talk:Kainzorus Prime|Walkie-talkie]] 23:29, August 1, 2013 (UTC)
#This one is simple, has a high resolution, and isn't as covered by shadow. [[User:Slate Vesper|Slate Vesper]] ([[User talk:Slate Vesper|talk]]) 03:17, August 2, 2013 (UTC)
#... [[User:Amnestyyy|'''Nesty''']] [[User_Talk:Amnestyyy|Contact me!]] 06:54, August 2, 2013 (UTC)
#Highest quality earns my vote. {{User:Gabriel Auditore/sig}} 11:27, August 2, 2013 (UTC)

====Anniversary render====
#This one. And please stop calling me Red Altaïr. It's Crimson Eagle. --{{User:The Crimson Eagle/sig}} 15:23, August 1, 2013 (UTC)
#Yay for this one? I prefer it slightly over the left one (and Revelations is past his prime, so...) [[User:Crookandcharlatan|Crookandcharlatan]] ([[User talk:Crookandcharlatan|talk]]) 15:26, August 1, 2013 (UTC)
#--[[User:SupremeAssassin|''Supreme Master Assassin'']][[User_talk:SupremeAssassin|O Mentoras]] 15:41, August 1, 2013 (UTC)

====''Revelations'' render====
#I'm not hopeful, but I actually prefer this one. --{{Signature/Jasca Ducato}} 15:55, August 1, 2013 (UTC)
#Truth be told, I prefer this. [[User:Altaïr Skywalker 47|Altaïr Skywalker 47]] ([[User talk:Altaïr Skywalker 47|talk]]) 13:53, August 2, 2013 (UTC)

====Comments====
#I've found [http://aci-live.s3.amazonaws.com/content-data/2013/06/acinitiates_L.jpg this] on the interwebs. If we had this image in a resolution similar to the anniversary one, that is around 3000x2000 pixels, we could render the characters properly this time, and use these for infoboxes. Otherwise, we have no good replacements right now. --[[User:Kainzorus Prime|Kainzorus Prime]] [[User talk:Kainzorus Prime|Walkie-talkie]] 23:29, August 1, 2013 (UTC)
#I think that sounds like a good idea. A bit of work, though. --{{User:The Crimson Eagle/sig}} 11:21, August 2, 2013 (UTC)
#Unfortunately, reverse-searching showed that that image is the highest res available at the moment (1920x1200px), so the renders will be lower quality than we'd prefer. {{User:Gabriel Auditore/sig}} 11:27, August 2, 2013 (UTC)</s>

==New Vote==
<s>Given that Gabe has given us updated renders, I call for a second vote. The choices remain as before, just make sure to check the images again.

====Current render====
#--[[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] ([[User talk:Alientraveller|talk]]) 09:53, October 16, 2013 (UTC)

====Anniversary render====
#--[[User:Kainzorus Prime|Kainzorus Prime]] [[User talk:Kainzorus Prime|Walkie-talkie]] 13:50, October 14, 2013 (UTC)
#--{{User:The Crimson Eagle/sig}} 13:54, October 14, 2013 (UTC)
#--{{User:Gabriel Auditore/sig}} 13:58, October 14, 2013 (UTC)
#--[[User:Slate Vesper|Slate Vesper]] ([[User talk:Slate Vesper|talk]]) 04:28, October 16, 2013 (UTC)
#--{{User:Stormbeast/sig}} 04:31, October 16, 2013 (UTC)
#-- [[User:AgentG231|'''AgentG231''']] [[User talk:AgentG231|The Action Center]] 06:37, October 16, 2013 (UTC)
#Can we go with the Initiates render? Well guess both o' them are almost same XP I vote for an Aye! [[User:Xangr8|Xangr8]] ([[User talk:Xangr8|talk]]) 21:38, October 19, 2013 (UTC)
#--[[User:The Forgotten Fragment|Fragment]] [[User talk:The Forgotten Fragment|-Animus-]] 22:08, October 19, 2013 (UTC)

====Revelations render====
#--{{Signature/Jasca Ducato}} 08:21, October 16, 2013 (UTC)

====Comments====
*Should have a vote about the new Edward Kenway render to, it looks better than the one we currently have.--[[User:ACsenior|ACsenior]] ([[User talk:ACsenior|talk]]) 08:42, October 20, 2013 (UTC)
*Weekly voting period's overr, the updated Anniversary/Initiates render is going up. --[[User:Kainzorus Prime|Kainzorus Prime]] [[User talk:Kainzorus Prime|Walkie-talkie]] 15:31, October 23, 2013 (UTC)</s>

== Factual correction ==
I just want to correct whoever wrote the Ezio page that the hanging happened when he was 19.

:What's your source on that? :s Ezio's born in 1459 and his father and brothers are executed in 1476. Basic math says he'd be 17, not 19. Also, please remember to sign your posts. If you wish to edit locked pages, you need to make a wiki account. {{User:Crookandcharlatan/sig}} 12:02, August 19, 2014 (UTC)

== New Picture ==

Do all of yous think that it is about time for a new picture for this pages?

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== New look for ACIII ==

Just saw the new page look, wanted to say that it was impressively quick and looks amazing. Great work guys! (I really hope I put this in the right place).

[[User:The eagle|The eagle]] 21:04, March 2, 2012 (UTC)

For the page that has the looks of all of the assassins for that game (Altair-Young Ezio-Brotherhood Ezio-Old Ezio-Connor), wouldn't it be better to use this: http://www.gameinformer.com/p/ac3.aspx for the picture of Connor instead of the current one, as if you flip it horizontally it'll be leaning more to the right and will look more natural. [[Special:Contributions/108.36.137.147|108.36.137.147]] 23:22, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

==Logo==
What is that green design in the logo? [[User:XV DEaD ShOT xV|XV DEaD ShOT xV]] 21:01, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

It's themed for St. Patrick's Day. That's why there's the four-leafed clover and celtic harp. POE master 04:38, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

Hey havent you guys seen the announcements of Assassins Creed 4 you should put it in incognito like you did with AC: 3 before. [[User:Le Vulpe|Le Vulpe]] 21:20, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
:There is no Assassin's Creed IV. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' [[User talk:Jasca Ducato|Council Chamber]] [[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato|Assassination record]] 01:12, March 22, 2012 (UTC)

:Yes there is, look here it talks about AC: 4 consequently there may be a 4th game:
:http://www.egmnow.com/articles/news/ubisoft-assassins-creed-4-could-take-place-before-assassins-creed-3/

That's Assassin's Creed 3. They said the name wrong. If you look at the AC3 page, it shows that exact image and more. Here's the page. http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Assassin%27s_Creed_III

:...They are talking about ''Assassin's Creed IV''. They only show an image from ''Assassin's Creed III'' because there aren't any ''AC4'' images... -- [[User:Master Sima Yi|Master Sima Yi]] 22:15, March 22, 2012 (UTC)

:Exactly, Thank You...[[User:Le Vulpe|Le Vulpe]] 22:00, March 26, 2012 (UTC)
::That's not an announcement though; it's simply speculation at this point. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' [[User talk:Jasca Ducato|Council Chamber]] [[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato|Assassination record]] 12:56, March 27, 2012 (UTC)

== The truth of Ezio Auditore's death. Let me know what you think. ==

'''The Truth:''' Ezio died of a heart attack, Ubisoft even confirmed it. The guy who sat down next to him was just a random guy, who reminded Ezio of his teenage years. (Always chasing after women.) The guy got up and left because he saw Ezio wasn't feeling well. There wasn't any poison involved, and the, "Templar insignia" on his wrist has nothing to do with it. Ezio knew he was on his way out, that's why he wrote his death letter before he left for Florence with his family. We all saw Ezio's decaying health condition throughout the movie (His coughing). It was at it's worst point when he arrived in Florence with his family (His wheezing). He also knew his passing was coming because when his wife said something about Ezio staying home, he said, "I am home." He was refering to his birthplace of Florence. When Ezio's heart attack hit him, it took him by suprise as you could see by his facial expressions. When Ezio looked at the man, Ezio looked suprised because the man reminded him of himself in his teenage years, like I said earlier. At that point, Ezio knew it was his time to go, but he looked over at his wife and daughter, and smiled because he realized his life had a purpose. He even tells that to Desmond at the end of AC:R inside Altair's library. He was a Prophet, delivering a message to Desmond. If you listen to Ezio's death letter, you will hear him talk about, "Liberty, Time & Love." All three, which he didn't understand when he was young and immature. He then says how he finally understood them in his later years. Ezio remembers this, along with looking at his family that he loves dearly, and is ready to go. He knows he served as a mentor, a lover, a father, and an inspiration to many, many people. Personally, I think Ezio goes down as THE best video game character of all time. Seeing him as a child, grow into a man and Master Assassin makes you develope a connection with him, something that is rare in the gaming world. But, it's nice to know he died peacefully as also one of the greatest Assassins in history. Nothing is true, everything is permitted. Requiescat in Pace, Ezio Auditore.

[[File:Acr_1.jpg|thumb|276px]]

: This page is for talk about the home page only. This should be placed in the forum and don't forget to sign your posts. [[User:Ezio Auditore 1459|Ezio Auditore ]] 22:46, May 10, 2012 (UTC)

==How can Desmond Miles be related to 3 different Assassins?==
Altair Ibn-La'Ahad (1165-1257) was a Syrian Assassin during the Middle Ages, from 1191 until his death the mentor of the Assassins in the Levant. Raised to be an Assassin from birth, Altaïr obtained the rank of [http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Master_Assassin Master Assassin] by his twenty-fourth year. However, following his failure to obtain [http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Second_Apple the Apple] from [http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Robert_de_Sable Robert de Sable] in early 1191, and subsequently allowing the [http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Templars Templars] to attack the city of [http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Masyaf Masyaf.]

'''Ezio Auditore da Firenze''' (1459 – 1524) was a [http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Florence Florentine] nobleman during the [http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Renaissance Renaissance] and, unbeknownst to most historians and philosophers, the [http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Mentor Mentor] of the [http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Italian_Assassins Italian branch] of the [http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Assassins Assassin Order], a title he held from 1503 to 1512.

A member of the [http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/House_of_Auditore House of Auditore], Ezio remained unaware of his Assassin heritage until the age of 17, when he witnessed the hanging of [http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Giovanni_Auditore_da_Firenze his father] and two brothers, [http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Federico_Auditore_da_Firenze Federico] and [http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Petruccio_Auditore_da_Firenze Petruccio]. Forced to flee his birthplace with his remaining family members - his mother and sister - Ezio took refuge in the [http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Tuscany Tuscan] town of [http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Monteriggioni Monteriggioni], at the [http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Villa_Auditore Villa Auditore].

Born to a [http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/England British] father and [http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Mohawk Mohawk] mother, Ratonhnhaké:ton was raised among his mother's tribe. He suffered severely during his childhood, largely from the tribe's encounters with European colonists; a conflict that reached its peak when his village was destroyed by a colonial force.This event prompted him to seek justice for his people and fight tyranny wherever he saw it. His endeavors eventually led to him joining the Assassin Order in 1770, as well as adopting the name "Connor" in order to more easily move through colonial circles.

Five years later, the [http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/American_Revolutionary_War American Revolutionary War] erupted, and Connor found himself siding with the leaders of the American revolution, namely [http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/George_Washington George Washington] and [http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Benjamin_Franklin Benjamin Franklin], partially due to his belief in the ideals that they represented.

Even with all of this information, nothing here tells us that there is a connection with these assassins, because Altair was born in Syria, then Ezio was born in Italy and lastly Connor was raised in America. Also many people think that Ezio and Altair are related, but Ubisoft said that there are in no way connect by family. Additionaly when I was doing research into this I found a geneaology of Subject 17 by Abstergo. From close analysis this is not published by Ubisoft it is a fake made by a random person. [[User:XthedocX10|XthedocX10]] 19:25, May 29, 2012 (UTC)

:This isn't the place to ask this question, and this question already has been asked so many times. The genealogy is from the [[Abstergo Files]] in ''Revelations''. As for how Desmond is related to all of them while they are related, take a look at any family tree. Your grandmother from your mother's side isn't related to you grandfather from your father's side, and your great-great-great-great-grandmother from your mother's side isn't related to your great-great-great-great-grandfather from your father's side and on and on. Your own parents aren't even related to each other, only by marriage. As for how Desmond is American while Altaïr is Syrian, Ezio Italian and Connor half British; migration is the answer. People move to different places, and eventually all their bloodlines wound up in America. -- [[User:Master Sima Yi|Master Sima Yi]] 19:37, May 29, 2012 (UTC)

How comes Altair and Ezio resemble Desmond but Connor doesnt
?

: Because they were built with his face model, whereas new technology allows them to create a different face for Connor in comparison to Desmond this time around. Also, this question would have been better off on the [[Talk:Desmond Miles|Desmond Miles]] talk page. [[User:Slate Vesper|Slate Vesper]] 01:42, June 12, 2012 (UTC).
==Incorrect Link==

The link for ACII:Discovery is incorrect, should be this page: http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Assassin%27s_Creed_II:_Discovery

[[User:Somini|Somini]] 19:53, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

== NEED HELP PLEASE ==

I beat the game but im now going back to get everything 100% and im having trouble trying to access the piri reis missions. Ive tried restarting a memory and going to his shop and its not giving me an option to talk to him just shop. and i saw that some of the mediterranean defense might unlock them but im wondering which ones would.

I play on xbox360 if that helps

thanks

[[User:Deepcdiver|Deepcdiver]] 02:46, July 12, 2012 (UTC)DeepCDiver

:This isn't really the place to ask questions like that, but I'll answer anyway. :P The Piri Reis missions (I'm assuming you mean the bomb ones) don't come from talking to Piri, you have to interact with the posters in his shop, to the right of his desk. =[[User:GuardDog|GuardDog]] 02:50, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

==Bad link on Homepage==
There is a link on the homepage in the game portal area. It's supposed to take users to the page for Assassin's Creed: Discovery. But, instead it took me to the page for the MEMORY "Discovery" in Assassin's Creed: Revalations. I'm not sure where else to take this message, but i hope the appropriate people see this and make the proper change. Thank you.

[[Special:Contributions/68.8.191.70|68.8.191.70]] 21:14, August 25, 2012 (UTC)starwarsfreak99

:The link's has been fixed. Thank you for pointing out.. --{{User:Vatsa1708/sig}} 03:01, August 26, 2012 (UTC)

[[Special:Contributions/178.128.98.218|178.128.98.218]] 14:41, October 23, 2012 (UTC)How can I create a character and a story for him at the acfanon??

This question would be better accomodated at [[ACFanon:Home]], but I suppose I'll answer it.

You can make a Fanon article by creating a new article and adding ACFanon: to the front of it. I can then add the Fanon template for you. [[User:Slate Vesper|Slate Vesper]] ([[User talk:Slate Vesper|talk]]) 16:18, October 23, 2012 (UTC)

== Awkward Box ==

Hey, at the bottom for our Wiki's Facebook section, the box-table thing that has notifications cuts into the link. Since there is another link in the box itself, I advise the written out one be simply removed to make it look better.? [[User:EmeraldCorruption|EmeraldCorruption]] ([[User talk:EmeraldCorruption|talk]]) 05:14, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

==Project: Aperture Redux'ed==
There is a graphic on the home page that is a link, but it doesn't appear to work in Chrome with a normal left click (you have to right click, open in new tab/new window), although after testing it does work in Internet Explorer 9. The other images within that panel work fine in Chrome, seeming to display a new panel with additional navigation options. Assuming this isn't simply an issue on my end (to which I have little way of testing) somebody might want to troubleshoot this.

Additionally, it links to the news page when clicked in Internet Explorer. Am I missing something, or is this all "Project Aperture Redux'ed" is supposed to be? My gut says that--in light of seeming to reference Portal/Half Life both graphically and through the name--this is an incorrect link. If it's not, I appologize for bringing it up. -[[Special:Contributions/173.25.106.89|173.25.106.89]] 12:43, December 4, 2012 (UTC)

== Hard to read ==

Just thought I'd mention that the lego city ad on some pages makes them very hard to read as the light blue colour in the background makes the white text very hard to see.

[[Special:Contributions/79.67.80.111|79.67.80.111]] 18:29, March 22, 2013 (UTC)
:Then make an account; ads will not trouble you again. --{{User:The Crimson Eagle/sig}} 18:31, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

:Alternatively, get an adblocker for your browser. --[[User:Kainzorus Prime|Kainzorus Prime]] [[User talk:Kainzorus Prime|Walkie-talkie]] 20:43, March 22, 2013 (UTC)
==New look for ACIVBF==
When we'll get a new look for the wikia for ACIVBF?[[User:Half-rose|Half-rose]] ([[User talk:Half-rose|talk]]) 15:01, April 29, 2013 (UTC)

: You know, I swear I saw an AC4BF background on the wiki a few months ago, but it just...disappeared the following day. I may be wrong about the looks, but I remember the background showing a picture, split in half, of Edward staring at you, holding his pistol in his left hand on the right side of the page, with his right hand hidden blade drawn out on the left side of the page. [[User:ZBlue0|ZBlue0]] ([[User talk:ZBlue0|talk]]) 19:29, June 20, 2013 (UTC)
::More than likely, that was an advert before you signed in. --{{Signature/Jasca Ducato}} 08:19, June 21, 2013 (UTC)
::Perhaps you're right. Thanks for telling me. [[User:ZBlue0|ZBlue0]] ([[User talk:ZBlue0|talk]]) 15:53, June 21, 2013 (UTC)

::The new look is finaly here and it looks awesome.Klisurovi4 15:13, July 13, 2013 (UTC)

== Paintings in the streets?? ==
Does ANYBODY know what the paintings on the easles of a building, street, and tree represent in Brotherhood?? I see them EVERYWHERE and can't figure it out.

[[Special:Contributions/24.118.38.109|24.118.38.109]] 23:39, August 1, 2013 (UTC) Gelby

:Just ambience. You can see painters near them. --[[User:Kainzorus Prime|Kainzorus Prime]] [[User talk:Kainzorus Prime|Walkie-talkie]] 23:43, August 1, 2013 (UTC)

== Sovereignty and Partition ==

I think it would be very historic if the assassins creed gaming industry , made an assassin that is in Ireland under the sovereignty,partition and the ruling of the united kingdom. if they made a game were u stand as a republican fighting for the Irish and the brotherhood . Take the 1900's up as far as 1940's were Ireland got independence. You could include the 1913 Lockout, 1916 rising (including the excecutions of the 7 leaders that lead the rising), The IRA and the War of Independence, The negotiations of the Treaty, The Civil war(which also brought on the excecutions of politicians,members of the IRA and the death of Irish free state army officers) and The Origins of Northeren Ireland. {{unsigned|109.78.5.7}}

== About the whole past tense thing... ==

I know I'm a newcomer here, but I've edited on many other wikis. I have no illusions that my one post will effect a sweeping change, but I aim to stand my ground on this for as long as I edit here. If anyone 'fixes' my contributions to conform to their sillyness, I will personally change it back. I will not go as far as to edit contributions of others to suit my tastes, unless it is part of a page which I entirely revamp for more practical purposes.

I really cannot understand why everything - and I mean everything - is written in past tense. Look, I get it, this is a series about historical fiction. I imagine some people feel more immersed writing about the things like they actually happened. But please, I beg of you, limit the use of past tense to actually talking about events in the timeline.

Game features do not merit past tense. They are features of a video game, media that is immediately accessible to anyone who owns them. People currently playing the games are doing the things you are writing about. It is simply nonsensical and asinine to write about them like they happened some time in the past.

Individual portions of memories do not merit past tense. If I see a walkthrough on this wiki that says 'Ezio then jumped from the beam he was on to the beam ten feet up and twenty feet over' I will actually choke a virtual kitten.

The only way I will budge is if there is an actual document about contributions on this wiki that ''requires'' all contributions to be formatted in this manner. If that is the case, I will simply abstain from contributing to this wiki.

That's really all I have to say on the matter. [[User:Incrognito|Incrognito]] ([[User talk:Incrognito|talk]]) 02:11, December 4, 2013 (UTC)

: All the historical events that take place - effectively, everything experienced through the Animus - and all past events within the modern-day story are to be written in past tense, as per [[Assassin's Creed Wiki:Writing Tense|this policy]]. There's a discussion to this effect from last year [[Forum:A_modest_proposal|here]] as well.

: [[User:Molotov.cockroach|Molotov.cockroach]] ([[User talk:Molotov.cockroach|talk]]) 02:33, December 4, 2013 (UTC)

::Molotov hit it right on the head; as a policy, we make all articles be past tense. This has been our policy for a long time, and changing it would require a massive amount of rewriting, which is unreasonable for us to expect from our fanbase. Logistics aside, the Writing Tense policy article makes it clear that we are considering the most recent event or moments after it to be considered the present, so everything else, including the game development or playthroughs to have happened in the past. Encyclopedial past tense is simplest and most correct. Edit warring over this is not recommended. [[User:DarkFeather|DarkFeather]] [[User_talk:DarkFeather|Raven's Nest]][[User:DarkFeather/Sandbox|Raven's Hunt]] 03:59, December 4, 2013 (UTC)
:::Incrognito, given that you now know why we write in the past tense I should point out that if you insist on being an irritant by continuing to change articles to the present tense, you ''will'' be banned from contributing, by someone. That said, since you have now been informed about our policy, I fully expect you will no longer be making contributions, as per your statement.

:::Further to this, I would like to point out that whilst you are correct in that the player is 'viewing' these memories (rw: missions) in a present day context, these memories are simply recordings of what happened historically. Ezio ''did'' jump from the beam; he's not still jumping from that beam now, (damnit, he'd be 557 years old), so we're not going to change it to the present tense.

:::EDIT: I have also just noticed that this post is your only edit. You seriously want to start your tenure on here by bitching about something you haven't even encountered yet? Now I'm confused. --[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]] ([[User talk:Jasca Ducato|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato|contributions]]) 09:53, December 4, 2013 (UTC)
::::::Alright. Admittedly, it was very poor form to start off in this tone. I actually did not know where to find the exact policy that I read just now (I thought it was possibly just a tradition and not actual policy). And given the approach I began with, I understand fully why you responded in kind.
::::::I guess what set me off was reading something like this:
::::::"Ezio could renovate a faction building for 1,200 florins, after which the members of the faction he assigned it to could be found outside. They would then assist Ezio after having received a payment." To me, this is extremely irritating. It is describing in past tense a game mechanic which is an ''interface'' for performing the action that Ezio did in the historical context. That said, since there is already a discussion on this matter, I will direct further debate - if I find the need to - to that discussion.
::::::I didn't mean to create the impression that I do not appreciate the past tense as a rule. I just feel like...perhaps it would be best to organize the sections of the pages to differentiate between the actual game mechanic granularity and the historical actions taken by the game character. And yes, I haven't made any edits to this wiki as of yet. I tend to think this is because the existing pages are actually quite comprehensive and well-formed for the most part, which I whole-heartedly appreciate. Hopefully this first impression hasn't irreparably damaged my credibility. I've done quite a job embarassing myself. Thank you for not immediately ejecting me, I know you probably had to resist the temptation! [[User:Incrognito|Incrognito]] ([[User talk:Incrognito|talk]]) 19:51, December 5, 2013 (UTC)
You provide a solid argument for you view (which is more than others have done in the past), but as you said, it was your tone. That aside, the reason we treat such an example in the past tense is answered by the idea of [[synchronization]]; specifically, we work on the assumption that absolutely everything that can be done in the memory was, at some point, actually done by the ancestor.

Ezio did, historically, at some point, fund the renovation of a guild building blah, blah, blah. We know he did because, if the ''player'' elects not to, they will not obtain 100% synchronisation.

Saying "Ezio did this on that day..." is a lot easier than saying "Desmond Miles, while operating the Animus, engaged the virtual representation of his ancestor's genetic memory to renovate a guild building in order to increase his synchronisation level with the ancestor". --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' ([[User talk:Jasca Ducato|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato|contributions]]) 20:36, December 5, 2013 (UTC)

==Layout==
What the hell happened. Why is the center stretched beyond the standard boundaries? Is it because of the wiki header turning all christmasy? --[[User:Kainzorus Prime|Kainzorus Prime]] [[User talk:Kainzorus Prime|Walkie-talkie]] 12:41, December 4, 2013 (UTC)
:I thought it was just me. The site looks fine when I'm editing, but for some reason the normal view is seriously skewed. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' ([[User talk:Jasca Ducato|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato|contributions]]) 12:58, December 4, 2013 (UTC)
::If I had to guess, I'd say it is Wikia's new implementation of [http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Darwin Darwin]. [[User:Nucl3arsnake|'''nucl3arsnake''']] ([[User talk:Nucl3arsnake|talk]]) 14:35, December 4, 2013 (UTC)
:::It is, [[W:User_blog:BertH/Fluid layout is arriving on December 4|Fluid layout]] for Wikia skin. They've been posting notifications about this for a week now. --{{User:Vatsa1708/sig}} 14:44, December 4, 2013 (UTC)
::::Ugh, I had forgotten about this latest ''improvement'' from Wikia. It's bloody irritating; now I have ''two'' scroll bars on the right hand side of my screen. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' ([[User talk:Jasca Ducato|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato|contributions]]) 15:27, December 4, 2013 (UTC)

::::What are you viewing it on? (PC, Mac, tablet, etc...) [[User:MasterKenway|MasterKenway]] ([[User talk:MasterKenway|talk]]) 22:51, December 4, 2013 (UTC)

::::Same thing here. I'm seeing two right-side scroll bars viewing the wiki on a Windows PC. - [[User:Molotov.cockroach|Molotov.cockroach]] ([[User talk:Molotov.cockroach|talk]]) 19:49, December 5, 2013 (UTC)
::::::And why should we continue this discussion? The problem is now over, right? --{{User:AgentG231/sig}} 22:26, December 5, 2013 (UTC)

No, AgentG, it is not; I, for one, am still experiencing problems (double scroll bars and weird green vertical lines on the Wiki-background). [[User:Nucl3arsnake|'''nucl3arsnake''']] ([[User talk:Nucl3arsnake|talk]]) 01:52, December 6, 2013 (UTC)

: I'm also still seeing the double scrollbar, though other formatting issues have gone away. - [[User:Molotov.cockroach|Molotov.cockroach]] ([[User talk:Molotov.cockroach|talk]]) 07:17, December 6, 2013 (UTC)

::Have they now, I still see stretched mainspace. --[[User:Kainzorus Prime|Kainzorus Prime]] [[User talk:Kainzorus Prime|Walkie-talkie]] 07:20, December 6, 2013 (UTC)

:Me too. I was worried I'd accidently drank paint thinner again but it's the wikia update. :/ I have two scroll bars and it's stretched (almost as bad as my weekly paycheck). {{User:Kaloneous/sig}} 07:29, December 6, 2013 (UTC)
:::Nah, I ain't seeing anything. --{{User:AgentG231/sig}} 09:22, December 6, 2013 (UTC)
:::I keep on getting 2 scrollbars too. [[User:MB543|MB543]] ([[User talk:MB543|talk]]) 15:40, December 8, 2013 (UTC)MB543
::::Same here, and it's annoying as fuck, because the first bar to the right does absolutely nothing at all. [[User:Slate Vesper|Slate Vesper]] ([[User talk:Slate Vesper|talk]]) 23:29, December 8, 2013 (UTC)

:::::I think V is working with the .css to unfuck this latest "improvement". --[[User:Kainzorus Prime|Kainzorus Prime]] [[User talk:Kainzorus Prime|Walkie-talkie]] 23:35, December 8, 2013 (UTC)

::::::Perhaps, but it's only a matter of time before a Wikia Staff coder comes in, resets all the changes, and doesn't even consult Vatsa/waits for a reply. [[User:Slate Vesper|Slate Vesper]] ([[User talk:Slate Vesper|talk]]) 23:40, December 8, 2013 (UTC)

==Rename?==
The wiki's title line (the words that appear after "The Assassin's Creed Wiki") only goes up to Revelations, then uses the catch-all phrase "walkthroughs and more!" While this is fine and true, the series has expanded significantly since this name was put into effect. Do you think that it should be reworked to include AC3 and AC4?

[[User:MasterKenway|MasterKenway]] ([[User talk:MasterKenway|talk]]) 22:49, December 4, 2013 (UTC)

: True, we should delete the "walkthrough" because we all voted that we should delete all walkthroughs here right? --{{User:AgentG231/sig}} 22:28, December 5, 2013 (UTC)

==On This Day...==
I noticed that there are varying ways to denote the days certain events happened. I generally use the following formula: '''month/day/year''' (such as ''November'''' 22, 1969''), but I noticed that some dates on the wiki are noted using this formula: day/month/year (''22 November, 1969''). '''

I know this is a little, technical detail, but in the interest of keeping the wiki consistent, which date format should I use when editing?

[[User:MasterKenway|MasterKenway]] ([[User talk:MasterKenway|talk]]) 02:15, December 7, 2013 (UTC)
:Day, month, year. Anything that reads otherwise is legacy. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' ([[User talk:Jasca Ducato|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato|contributions]]) 10:04, December 7, 2013 (UTC)

== Christmas theme ==

Hey, i was wondering if anyone was going to upload a christmas graphic for the logo?
[[User: JoeJoe2416|JoeJoe2416]] [[User talk:JoeJoe2416|Assassins!]] [[Message Wall:JoeJoe2416|Wikians!]] 17:29, December 16, 2013 (UTC)

==No more 'Final Words' subsection?==
I was wandering around the wiki lately and noticed that for many of the assassination targets, the subsection at the end of the page containing the target's last words had been deleted. It caught my attention, so I kept going around and then I noticed that ''all ''of the last words are gone for ''every single target''.

I just wanted to make sure this is really happening, so that I know not to accidentally get in trouble by trying to put them back up.

To a lesser extent, it also helps me make sure I'm not losing my mind. [[User:MasterKenway|MasterKenway]] ([[User talk:MasterKenway|talk]]) 05:24, January 14, 2014 (UTC)
:This was discuess and agreed upon [[Forum:Final words|here]], not too long ago. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' ([[User talk:Jasca Ducato|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato|contributions]]) 12:56, January 14, 2014 (UTC)

== Navigation page ==

Think this wiki needs something for each game that acts as a home page and has links to all relevant material for each game (such as secrets, characters, weapons, armor, etc). If there already is something like this, it needs to be more visible, because I can't seem to find it, and all I care about is info for Black Flag. The Black Flag page is just info about the game, like a regular wiki.
[[Special:Contributions/69.84.24.114|69.84.24.114]] 17:49, June 27, 2014 (UTC)

:Well, you go to [[Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag]], and in that article you will find links to the other important articles, such as [[Edward Kenway]] and the likes. And from those pages, you can link to others. That is the way a wiki works. [[User:Amnestyyy|'''Nesty''']] [[User_Talk:Amnestyyy|Contact me!]] 17:53, June 27, 2014 (UTC)

:::If you want to half-ass it, sure. I'm 30% through the game. All I want to do is look up info about things I can explore, what kind of content awaits me, or other information through an easily navigatable page, but I can't do that because I don't know what to search for or where to start. I just want to browse through specifics, not click on characters, filter through the crap and spoilers (James Kidd?) with hope that I find what I'm looking for. But it's no skin off my back - I just felt I should share my ''valuable insight'' to someone who seems to care about how this wiki is perceived. Your site effectively made me go somewhere else for the info I want (I'm assuming that's the opposite reaction this wiki intended).

:::As an alternative, you could just edit the main page(s) to be more useful instead of a generic copy/paste from wikipedia (among other near-useless information). [[Special:Contributions/69.84.24.114|69.84.24.114]] 18:11, June 27, 2014 (UTC)

::::Then how about you sod off and head to IGN or similar site that deals with that stuff? --[[User:Kainzorus Prime|Kainzorus Prime]] [[User talk:Kainzorus Prime|Walkie-talkie]] 18:17, June 27, 2014 (UTC)

::::::I was JUST thinking about whether or not some of you would get irritated that your wiki isn't up to snuff - like your little "niche community" is offended that an outsider would dare come in here and tell you that you don't do enough to keep visitors interested... but then I wrote it off as being too childish. This is a wiki, where information is shared freely and without interaction. Your job, if you want to call it that, is to stick around and keep it updated - and I'm telling you it's not good enough. If you don't want to accept that and be relegated to that shitty after-site behind IGN, then by all means, throw a fit and act like a kid... or man up and make this place worth visiting. Your call.
::::::[[Special:Contributions/69.84.24.114|69.84.24.114]] 18:21, June 27, 2014 (UTC)

You have peaked my curiosity. How would you suggest we go about this overhaul? Please be specific and direct the conversation to my talk page. {{User:Stormbeast/sig}} 18:25, June 27, 2014 (UTC)

: It's not an overhaul, or even rocket science. There is a lot of information that could be linked to in your primary articles.

: ex. Locations link -> page with towns, forts, islands with names, etc etc -> links to specific pages with information. Add a description of the location, whether or not it's real place (does it have history? post it, why not), or any other types of obscure information that few people may care about (ie. what came in the regular edition release box for the xbox 360... the most useless part of Black Flag wiki).

: This isn't a new thing. I have used many wiki's in the past that break it down like this. It's not even that the content doesn't exist on the site, you just need to put it somewhere so everyone can see it.
: [[Special:Contributions/69.84.24.114|69.84.24.114]] 18:30, June 27, 2014 (UTC)
::Anon, if you want anybody in this wiki to speak to, or treat you as anything but an obnoxious four year old with an extremely inflated sense of self worth about your own "valuable insight", I would suggest changing your tone to one that is more civil. Simply telling us that the way we have successfully run this wiki for the last seven years is not good enough is unlikely to go down particularly well. Your call. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' ([[User talk:Jasca Ducato|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato|contributions]]) 18:35, June 27, 2014 (UTC)

::::You just got free, no nonsense and completely honest advice. Be offended until you're tickled for all I care. You're not my mother, so I'm not going to candy coat anything for you. Your wiki kind of sucks, plain and simple. I'm sorry is has to be this way. I'm sorry I'm the meany that has to tell you, but it's the truth. It could be better right now actually, if you were there adding in some changes instead of being all hurt up in here about some stranger you've never met telling you something you weren't prepared to hear today.
::::[[Special:Contributions/69.84.24.114|69.84.24.114]] 18:40, June 27, 2014 (UTC)
:::::It's clear you haven't spent much time on this wiki, if you truly believe your words have hurt me in any way... I've asked you to be polite for your own sake. Just because ''you'' think we could be doing better means nothing to me, you do not represent the majority. If you'd take the time to look at our Categories, you'd find exactly what you are demanding we dump on our main page... --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' ([[User talk:Jasca Ducato|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato|contributions]]) 18:43, June 27, 2014 (UTC)

I've looked over your suggestions. A "Locations" link would be out-of-universe, something we stray from here. You could try location categories. Also, if an article exists in real life, there is a <nowiki>{{WP-REAL}}</nowiki> template added, which links you to its real-life counterpart article on Wikipedia. {{User:Stormbeast/sig}} 18:46, June 27, 2014 (UTC)

: That was an example, and to be frank, I'm not going to do your work for you. Expand on the wiki or don't, I don't really care at this point.

: Enforcing rules over content is definitely the route to go, too, by the way.

: [[Special:Contributions/69.84.24.114|69.84.24.114]] 18:50, June 27, 2014 (UTC)
::Your problem is that you seem to be under the impression that we are a game-guide (like IGN), which we are not. If we were then I would agree with you completely that our articles and navigation facilities are lacking, but since we are not a game guide - we are an in-universe encyclopaedia - there is no work that needs doing. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' ([[User talk:Jasca Ducato|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato|contributions]]) 18:59, June 27, 2014 (UTC)

::::I never got that impression, and the only thing stopping you are your, rather riduculous, rules.

::::http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Port_Royal.aspx
::::http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/sword.aspx
::::http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Guns.aspx

::::I could probably go on forever, but that would be spam-like.

::::Check some other wiki's. The Fallout wiki, in particular, has rules against telling people how to play (game-guide), but they don't have a problem posting information about locations, weapons, armor, etc, in the game as a general resource.
::::[[Special:Contributions/69.84.24.114|69.84.24.114]] 19:23, June 27, 2014 (UTC)
:::::Does it say "Fallout Wiki" at the top of our website? No, I didn't think so. I grow tired of this. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' ([[User talk:Jasca Ducato|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato|contributions]]) 19:51, June 27, 2014 (UTC)

:::::::Yeah, it's way too much to ask to take a simple example of someone that did something better and adopt it as your own, and you should definitely ignore the point. I'm getting tired of your stupidity, too. See you bitter nerds at IGN maybe.

:::::::Memory Alpha is another good wiki that puts yours to shame. And hey, all that is written in the past tense, too!
:::::::[[Special:Contributions/69.84.24.114|69.84.24.114]] 20:08, June 27, 2014 (UTC)

::::::::Bye. Have a nice life. :) [[User:Slate Vesper|Slate Vesper]] ([[User talk:Slate Vesper|talk]]) 20:38, June 27, 2014 (UTC)

::::::::::13,000+ edits and I bet not a single piece of it was interesting or useful information. Your irrational pride towards something lackluster* amuses me (sucks is too strong a word).
::::::::::[[Special:Contributions/69.84.24.114|69.84.24.114]] 20:51, June 27, 2014 (UTC)

Alright, that's the end of this thread. The point of this talk-page is to help make the page/wiki better. If all you are going to do is insult our users, I'm going to ask that you stop and move on. {{User:Stormbeast/sig}} 20:55, June 27, 2014 (UTC)

: How about this; how about you give me your definition of "out of universe" and tell me why, exactly, "locations" doesn't fit into that "view", or armor and weapons - an actual reason that is meant to convince me one way or another, because you have yet to do that. It just sounds like some nerdy bullshit rule - I can't even describe how stupid it is.

: [[Special:Contributions/69.84.24.114|69.84.24.114]] 21:14, June 27, 2014 (UTC)

This community's made the decision to do things as we do quite some time ago now, and it's what we're going for. ''Assassin's Creed'' no longer is just a video game franchise and we're not trying to be a game guide. We never have, not even before we made the formal change to the format we're applying now. I can understand that your expectations of what a 'video game' wiki should offer are different than what you found here, but we're not the only ones doing this. If you wish things to change, you can propose that on the forums with a well-written explanation of why it should be. Otherwise, I'm going to tell you to refrain from resorting to insults, because it is not helping your case. If nobody has anything useful to add to this discussion anymore - do the logical thing and don't add anything. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 21:48, June 27, 2014 (UTC)

: That's not a definition of "out of universe".

: And your crowd started it - I just finished it. It was entertaining.

: [[Special:Contributions/69.84.24.114|69.84.24.114]] 21:52, June 27, 2014 (UTC)

Memory Alpha isn't directly involved with Star Trek Online, but it's [http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Star_Trek_Online wiki page] is still impressive despite being primarily for the TV shows. The Star Trek Online wiki itself breaks down more about the game than this one does for any of the Assassin's Creed titles as far as I know. [[User:Madae|Madae]] ([[User talk:Madae|talk]]) 22:26, June 27, 2014 (UTC)

Allright. The anon has been banned for insulting behaviour, which officially ends this thread. No more replies please. [[User:Amnestyyy|'''Nesty''']] [[User_Talk:Amnestyyy|Contact me!]] 12:16, June 28, 2014 (UTC)




==Mainpage suggestion==
I'm an AC fan, and I LOVE THIS WIKI, and I think we should add Assassin's Creed Freedom Cry to the main page where it says spinoffs or main games. Thanks guys, Raj {{unsigned|Rajdeep Rana 22}}

:Thanks, it's a good suggestion given the DLC was given a stand-alone release. --[[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] ([[User talk:Alientraveller|talk]]) 22:51, July 18, 2014 (UTC)

::It doesn't fit as a main game. Spin-off is also a stretch, given it's literally a 9-mission DLC released as a standalone. I think the mention of standalone availability on its page is enough. --[[User:Kainzorus Prime|Kainzorus Prime]] [[User talk:Kainzorus Prime|Walkie-talkie]] 22:56, July 18, 2014 (UTC)

:::Maybe so, but I think we should at least put Black Flag or Unity there, because it's been a while. You guys are still great. --[[User:Rajdeep Rana 22|The Dark lord]] ([[User talk:Rajdeep Rana 22|talk]]) 22:53, July 20, 2014 (UTC)15:53, July 20, 2014

::::Black Flag is already listed under the main games. Unity will be added once it's released. --[[User:Kainzorus Prime|Kainzorus Prime]] [[User talk:Kainzorus Prime|Walkie-talkie]] 22:58, July 20, 2014 (UTC)

== Wiki Logo ==

Currently the logo at the top of the website is the Assassin insignia of the Caribean Assassin pirates from AC4. Since AC4 was released a long time ago and we have a new logo for AC Unity, I think we should switch to that one.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1366&bih=643&q=ac+unity&oq=ac+unity&gs_l=img.3..0l10.70.801.0.842.8.6.0.0.0.0.248.441.0j1j1.2.0....0...1ac.1.51.img..6.2.438.O13cNgM6qJg#hl=en&q=ac+unity+logo&tbm=isch

(This one ^)

==No title==
[[User:Kinkysanta|Kinkysanta]] ([[User talk:Kinkysanta|talk]]) 12:11, September 15, 2014 (UTC)So anyone thinkin this wikia should have its own special app for smartphones????????

:Last I checked, I could access the internet and the regular wiki page on my smartphone. And I don't think any other wiki has his own special app for them. --[[User:Kainzorus Prime|Kainzorus Prime]] [[Special:Contributions/Kainzorus Prime|⚜]] [[User talk:Kainzorus Prime|Walkie-talkie]] 13:21, September 15, 2014 (UTC)
::We do have an app, though only on Android as of yet: [https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.wikia.singlewikia.assassinscreed&hl=en Wikia Guide:Assassin's Creed]. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' ([[User talk:Jasca Ducato|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato|contributions]]) 14:57, September 15, 2014 (UTC)

::God how I would love for Wikia just to flipping function properly on my Safari browser in my iPad Air or iPhone 5. /me grumbles [[User:Slate Vesper|Slate Vesper]] ([[User talk:Slate Vesper|talk]]) 01:55, September 16, 2014 (UTC)
:::Get Google Chrome for iPad. Works a treat for me. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' ([[User talk:Jasca Ducato|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato|contributions]]) 10:00, September 16, 2014 (UTC)

I heard a rumor that my friend told me he heard on some website that Haytham appears in AC Rouge and dies. Is this True?