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Talk:The Truth

2011-08-28T05:51:57Z

68.0.253.198: /* Find me in the darkness.... */ new section

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== Extent of the truth video ==

Two speculations:

1. Subject 16 is related to Adam and Eve, meaning that Desmond could view it as well, since they come from the same lineage "Altair.

2. Altair witnessed the video when he peered into the piece of eden at the end of codex entries. This means that Desmond could still view it.

Just a thought ([[User:J.h.jaraub|J.h.jaraub]] 03:42, January 21, 2010 (UTC))

:Could be.

I remember someone saying that if Adam and Eve were the first humans, everybody would be a descendant of them. It's been on my mind. ._. -- [[User:D. Cello|D. Cello]] 03:52, January 21, 2010 (UTC)

DUH? can we get some standards on this wiki? it's honestly the worst collection of nonsense I've ever seen

i was under the immpression that A&E were not nude, but infact wearing some technologicaly advanced suit. If so then the page should be corrected. ;:| [[User:Spoonodeath|Spoonodeath]] 17:21, February 18, 2010 (UTC)

I greatly doubt that Altair did see the Truth video, he mentions in the codex seeing a vision of mountains splitting and so forth, huge towers crumbling etc This is either him seeing how 'they' died or what the future holds ahead for Desmond and such. You do not see anything that Altair mentions bar the buildings, but those could be 'our' buldings in the future. He could have seen either the end of the world as we know it, or as 'they' knew it. He did not see the escape of Adam and Eve so I think we should remove the 'fact' that he did. - [[User: Maria Thorpe|Maria Thorpe]] Feb 25 2010 06.22 (UTC) 
 
The impression I got from the codex was that Altair had seen nuclear weaponry or something of the sort, explaining why he feared the templar every getting their hands on it. Seemed pretty obvious to me. 
Also, he probably never saw The Truth

Another important point, I was watching the Truth video today, I have downloaded it in HD so was watching it carefully. I'm pretty certain that the markings on the bodies of Adam and Eve etc are suits, and not their actual skin. When you see Eve turning to say she has the Apple, you can see quite clearly a line across her neck where the 'shiny' glazed look of their body, and the markings, stops. It would also explain why their private areas are also covered. I'm sure I can take screen shots for this if anyone wants them - [[User:Maria Thorpe| Maria Thorpe]] Feb 25 2010 18.02 (UTC)

== I don't get it ==

What's the point of this video?

I have found all the glyphs myself, and after watching the video I still don't understand what's its point.
I've read the Bible, I know who these two are but what's the meaning?
--[[User:44 Magnum|44 Magnum]] 21:17, April 27, 2010 (UTC)
:Wow, your questions requires a giant answer, but summarizing things: Every thing, from legends to religions, are fantasized/romantized versions of what really happened. The Garden of Eden is the place where the humans stayed (and Adam and Eve the frist humans to escape it), the Olympian gods (and after that the christian God) are the "superior" race of Those Who Came Before. Now the point for the video is to explain the history behind it, expand the background and describes the origin of the pieces of Eden. Pretty much it. -- [[User:D. Cello|D. Cello]] 23:12, April 27, 2010 (UTC)

Well, it is clearly that they were weaing suits .... And the memory was recorded by a third person who ran with them and who said "Eve" at the ending ... It could't be Adam because he didn't open his mouth

This video is showing how Adam, Even and the third person tried to escape the Eden , but the third person died or something like that because te memory ends sudenly after Eveis shouting " look out ! " ... Then pobably A&E ran again and eventualy escaped from the thing/person who killed the third person ...

I think the one who followed them was one of " Those who came beore" and was tring to catch them and recover the Apple .... The third person may be the "snake" or " Satan " , but he was not evil ... I think he wanted to escape and wanted knowlege ( E&A ,too ) but " those who came before" didn't want humans to know much, just to control them to be their slaves ....

The "action" is clearly taking place in Africa, in front of mount Kilimanjaro , where is ( it is believed ) the origins of humans .

This video is clearly misterious and wakes many questions with multiple possible answers .. but only one can be true ( and it is not known if anywone found it ) ... Hopefully in ACIII it will be explaied more ... I don't think that in AC BrotherHooD will appear some explcations ... D:

[[Special:Contributions/79.113.32.195|79.113.32.195]] 13:24, July 22, 2010 (UTC)Danutzagoth

== Subject 16's The truth! ==

Adam and Eve and a possible 3rd person broke free of control by the pieces of Eden possesed by the gods or the 'ancient' civilization, and stole an apple which in the bible, would be the forbidden fruit, so the video shows Adam, Eve, And this third figure who is thought to be Desmond Miles
running thourgh a futuristicy garden most likely to be the garden of eden being chased by a god or early templar, now my theory of a third person is supported in the next part of the video when they are running and Eve looks back at the 3rd person then keeps running, then they come to a circlular automatic door

where it opens and they free-run up a bunch of ledges then adam breaks a glass wall and the three climb up a glass wall, while climbing, the 3rd person looks thourgh a window to see some female figure with a piee of eden and controlling several humans to build stuff, then continues climbing when they reach the top of the structure

the view goes to the sky for a couple seconds to show a large city-like structure,then it goes back to 3rd person view then a male voice,that sounds much like desmond or Altair, desmonds ancestor yells

"EVE!" Then she looks behind the 3rd person and says "LOOK OUT" then the memory ends.

At the end of assassin's creed 2, ezio talks to a woman named minerva, but she is not talking to ezio but through him. She is talking to Desmon. How does she knows that desmond is listening, when this hologram was supposedly recorded a very long time ago?

We can say that in that chamber where three persons, Ezio, Minerva and Desmond watching from the animus. The same goes here, the third person is not physically there but there all the same. Eve know that there is someone watching just as minerva knew that

desmond was watching, that is why eve looks straight in the eye of the third person, and the position of the camera does not look to me like just some camera angles, these where the point of view of the third. That explains why we can't see the supposedly third person in the sky angle then the binary code is supposedly supposed to say 'EDEN'.

[[Special:Contributions/68.108.24.130|68.108.24.130]] 19:41, August 11, 2010 (UTC)Matt1678[[Special:Contributions/68.108.24.130|68.108.24.130]] 19:41, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

That's really great... But in the end this is just a theory and it's better for you to post this in some blog, rather than here. -- [[user:Altaïr|Altaïr]] 21:47, August 11, 2010

== wdflol? ==

[[Special:Contributions/95.14.197.134|95.14.197.134]] 17:29, October 12, 2010 (UTC) uugh... okay this thing is seriously a blank, nor a space you could say. First off, there are people wich think the game's story is real and we did came from those aliens and in 2012 these things will happen- i say a huge GTFO to them. Second, i don't think Adam and Eve were the first humans, they were the firsts to run away the aliens or whatever... and i absolutely decline the theory of either Adam or Eve being one of those aliens and other being a human fell in love, but did he think about that they were both wearing the same clothing wich i think should be something making clear that they were both humans. Third, there is somebody wrote "maybe Altair turned into a Templar", wich is so wrong i won't write down his reasons. Fourth, the Kilimanjaro mountain is absolutely there and neatly it is africa, where humans are so-called to be created firstly, but for God's sake, im asking this cause i don't know, WHERE-IS-EDEN??? seriously, we see Eden on the end of the truth video, we see A&E is escaping from Eden (so Eden is in Africa; thats a start!)and so-so... but if you know write it, where/who/what is eden? oh, i also wanna laugh in the face of those persos who tought the 2nd game can be in Japan or Africa- WE PLAYED IN ITALY FOR GOD'S SAKE! :D

 
 
It is so unnoticed that the first game had no offence while in the second fu*k and sh*t words were flying in the sky. Also, i haave to decline the idea that the truth is from a 3rd persons view. at that point, i want to do a rewind= EVERY SINGLE MEMORY WE PLAYED in BOTH games were absolutely shown in third person- we NEVER saw ourself playing a memory from first person- so how come people think there SHOULD be a 3rd person in the truth memory? 
 
thanks for ANY replies :) 
 
Since i am here i want to point out somewhere- The brotherhood game is NOT the 3rd game of the series, so the 3rd WILL come because the editors said it is not 3rd. now, lets come to think, that we will see even more things in the 3rd game... so this might be both a happiness and a danger for ubisoft. better the game, more people will want it.some will give money, some will do pirating. hackers will attack servers EVEN MORE so that piraters wont be able to get a good crack for the game AND the ones bought will not be able to play it, so ubisoft, either close up your defence systems (recommended by Microsoft :D) or don't publish it for PC (NOT recommended by Microsoft! XDXD).

== Subject 16's Anscestor/Shaky Camera ==

I've seen quite a few times and on several different places that the reason there's a shaky camera is that Subject 16's ancestor is with Adam and Eve (and possibly that he's the one that shouts "Eve!" since we never see Adam say it). Thing is, we see a wide shot of Adam and Eve on the skyscraper building and there are only two people there. I'm in favor of removing that bit of trivia. [[User:HelterSkelter|HelterSkelter]] 18:41, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

I agree. Memories in AC have always been in third-person view, and there is no sign of a third person when the camera takes a wide shot. Besides, if it is a viewpoint of a third perosn, how does the camera suddenly gets up in the air?
: Then again, there is a way of viewing things in first person (by clicking the left stick). Plus there's the other possibility of it actually being a camera -- a moron 04:20, July 15, 2011 (UTC)

Has anyone brought up the idea that Subject 16 is a descendant of who the book of Genesis refers to as "The Serpent?" That is, the one who convinced Eve to take the apple (i.e.- rebel against whomever appears to have enslaved the humans), and the one who shouted "Eve!" at the end?

[[User:EXistenZ!|EXistenZ!]] 09:15, November 15, 2010 (UTC)

If what you say is true, ExistenZ!, then that person would be "Satan". However, he and Desmond would not be related if that person was Subject 16's father and not Adam. There's no way they'd have 2 separate fathers but the same mother and still manage to have the same ancestors (Altair and Ezio) with the same memories. If there was a third person, then that person is not the father of Subject 16's ancestor. The most I'd assume is another hybrid that escaped with them. Strang3Happ3nings 20:50, July 11, 2011 (UTC)

Another possibility about the mountain shown on The Truth video is [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Ararat Mount Ararat] which is a very famous mountain is some cultures. The mount is located on Iran-Turkey boundary, which connects to the fact we already know that the next game - Assassin's Creed: Revelations is going to take place in this area. (Ottoman Empire)

Although it's not looking very similar, it's known as one of very few ancient mountains that were written in the Bible book.

Read more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountains_of_Ararat

== Find me in the darkness.... ==

I think it's worth mentioning that when subject 16 says "Find me in the Darkness." he's making a reference to the black room in Assassin's Creed Revelations.

Talk:Abstergo Industries

2011-08-27T23:57:44Z

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== About the history section ==

I just played one of the Subject 16, cluster 5. Throughout the puzzle, there are clues that abstergo influenced events in Iran, Chile, and Argentina in the 1950s to 1970s. They put pictures and such. It is appropriate to keep this info on this page? If so, your'll welcome to expand or fix the information. I have trouble with the citations since I'm a rookie. [[User:Tseantan|Tseantan]] 22:57, December 1, 2010 (UTC)
:Yes, it is. Btw, Tseantan, links ar made with double brackets (<nowiki>[[article name link]]), not keys ({{article WRONG!}}</nowiki>) ;D -- [http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/User:D._Cello D. Cello] 22:58, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

== W.: concerning Iraq. ==

Could W. possibly mean George W. Bush?, I may just be speculating but that ties in with real life affairs, such as the invasion etc.

[[George W. Bush|Duh.]] [[Special:Contributions/98.192.42.30|98.192.42.30]] 21:16, April 20, 2011 (UTC)

== contradiction over abstergo's public nature ==

In Brotherhood, one of the Clusters had a telephone conversation featuring a man who found out about Abstergo and was going to write a book about them. He says that they are a shadow corporation that isn't publicly traded and who's members even have ties to the government and Wall Street. Pretty much, their existence is a secret. But in the first game, isn't it explicitly mentioned a number of times that they are a well known pharmaceutical company that makes anti-depressants amongst other things. They are under investigation for the who New Fluoride incident (try investigating a company that "doesn't exist". I bet ya can't), and the person who witnessed the Denver massacre said that he saw the name and the logo. So they are either a shadow company who's name isn't even known to the public, or they are on the surface a pharmaceutical/technology corporation. Which is it?[[User:Son of God-Enel|Son of God-Enel]] 03:54, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

I think somewhere along the lines, I got the impression that they were a "non-existant" shadow corporation, but later kind of subtly emerged publicly as a major economic power. But that's probably just me, assuming it even makes sense. [[Special:Contributions/98.192.42.30|98.192.42.30]] 17:48, April 19, 2011 (UTC)

As a matter of a fact there are some of those "shadow corporations" already in existence. Ever heard of Unilever ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Unilever_brands) it's a perfect example: everybody knows it's products, but hardly anyone knows that they are somehow connected - by a "umbrella brand". There are many others as well. In reality our whole market is being controlled by a handfull of those brands. So the idea of a single very powerful but relatively unknown brand (Abstergo) might seem quite creepy, but it corresponds to our current situation. LaNeve 15:35, August 6, 2011 (MEZ)

== F ==

The agent 'F' is most likely Milton Friedman, nobel laureate economist and staunch supporter of lasseiz-faire style market capitalism. Friedmen basically drove the neoliberal revolution in the latter half of the 20th century, driving economic policy away from Keynesian to more liberal - the most prominent is the economic reform of Chile. Pinochet, Thatcher, Reganm and Xiaoping are all examples of neoliberal politicians

[[John F. Kennedy|Uh, no.]] Don't forget to sign your posts. [[User:Guardian Assassin|Guardian Assassin]] 04:49, May 28, 2011 (UTC)

Ah...my mistake, I see what you're getting at. Different F. [[User:Guardian Assassin|Guardian Assassin]] 08:13, May 30, 2011 (UTC)

== Italian Facility ==

In the gallery, the picture of the facility featured in the games is currently captioned "Animus room, Florence Facility". Is there a source on the exact location of the facility in Italy? [[Special:Contributions/98.192.42.30|98.192.42.30]] 17:52, April 19, 2011 (UTC)

:In case you didn't know, the modern day storyline takes place in Italy. And as said in ''Brotherhood'', they couldn't flee across Italy's border as Abstergo would find them. If you look at the windows in the first ''Assassin's Creed'' and ''Assassin's Creed II'', you'll see that it looks exactly like Florence. Also, I'm 99,9% sure that Ubisoft themselves confirmed that particular facility is in Florence; I believe in a blog post on the official ''Brotherhood'' website, they I can't recall which one. -- [[User:Master Sima Yi|Master Sima Yi]] 19:19, April 19, 2011 (UTC)
::Yes, I was aware that it was set in Italy. And I'm pretty sure I know what you're talking about; unfortunately, [http://www.computerandvideogames.com/270248/interviews/assassins-creed-brotherhood-in-depth-qa/ this] was all I could find when I Googled it, but I know that there was more, because I remember them saying that there were hints in the first two games. Couldn't find it on the official site, either. In any case, all I remember reading was that it was in general Italy, with no mention of what city. And I'm not saying you're wrong, but all I can see through the windows in AC1 and AC2 is white light and the very vague forms of some surrounding buildings. No distinctive details. Maybe it's just me. [[Special:Contributions/98.192.42.30|98.192.42.30]] 21:08, April 19, 2011 (UTC)
:::Well? [[User:Guardian Assassin|Guardian Assassin]] 04:29, May 28, 2011 (UTC)

== Vault ==

Abstergo's symbol is also in the walls of the vault, along with the assassin symbol and I'm pretty sure I also saw the templar cross. If anyone has a doubt check the Vault page, it says so in the Trivia section.

[[User:AlexArkham|AlexArkham]] 03:13, May 28, 2011 (UTC)

I've never seen those outside the Vault, either. [[User:Guardian Assassin|Guardian Assassin]] 04:27, May 28, 2011 (UTC)

Except maybe the cross. [[User:Guardian Assassin|Guardian Assassin]] 04:28, May 28, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, then, I'll just go replay the first mission of ACB and then upload the picture. Once I have it, I'll edit it again.

[[User:AlexArkham|AlexArkham]] 15:53, May 29, 2011 (UTC)

I wouldn't say that that's certafiably an Abstergo logo. Yes, there's a resemblance, but no, it's not definate. [[User:Guardian Assassin|Guardian Assassin]] 22:40, June 1, 2011 (UTC)

== Religion. ==

Atheism isn't a religion. I suggest altering it to "None (Atheist)". [[User:CryptoKiller|CryptoKiller]] 10:16, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Some people simply do think it as a religion, some people don't. Google it, there's multiple opinions on it, so there's no real need to change it. [[User:UDITORE|UDITORE]] 10:19, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

== Abstergo - Johnson and Johnson ==

The real life pharmaceutical Company, Johnson & Johnson, has a lot in common with abstergo.

One of the biggest international pharmaceutical companies in the world.

Over 230 subsidiary holdings.

Uses the Red Cross as their company Symbol. (J&J does; Abstergo doesn't, but the Red Cross is the symbol used by the Templars.)

J&J are the Templars and the Carpenters are the Assassin's. This is just a joke, but I do find it pretty interesting.-- SomeGuy 19:36, August 27, 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Desmond Miles

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Added a lot of images and cleaned up the page. [[User:Cyberaltair|Cyberaltair]] 09:40, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Desmond is a modern-day assassin. He says so in one of the first cutscenes, while sitting on the Animus.[[User:BellicoseIntellect|BellicoseIntellect]] 17:11, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Like, BellicoseIntellect said Desmond is a modern day assassin. But to expand on it, he said that he wasn't an assassin anymore indicating that either he knows his past life was an assassin or he was an assassin before the events of the game took place.[[User:Marku uzamaki|Marku uzamaki]] 21:56, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

== Meaning of Assassin ==

Desmond says he was an assassin. It is important to note, however, that this doesn't necessarily mean that he was a killer, but (as becomes readily obvious in the conversations outside of the animus) rather a member of a "tribe" following the traditions of their ancestor assassins.
He says that he ran away when he was younger, saying he thought that they were "Hippies." He never killed anyone. He was still being trained to fight Templars. And something else: What does "Desmond" mean. It might be interesting sinse both Altair and Ezio are "Eagle."--[[User:Werefang|'''Were''']][[User talk:Werefang|'''fang''']] 18:39, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

How does Ranveer2 know that he and Lucy escape Abstergo?
[[User:Toukashi|Toukashi]] 00:48, October 19, 2009 (UTC)
Scratch that. just read the article.
[[User:Toukashi|Toukashi]] 22:25, October 21, 2009 (UTC)

Ezio means "Eagle" , and Altair means "Bird of prey" and Desmond means "from South Munster". [[User:Twomey1993|Twomey1993]] 16:57, November 16, 2009 (UTC)

I've just read somewhere that desmond means man of the world. Any1 find anything similar?

Altair means "The flying one". It has no relation to the word "Bird of Prey" unless you pronounce Altair in a different way in Arabic (the incorrect way) changing the meaning to bird, refernce to the eagle. And the eagle is a bird of prey, that's the only relation between Altair and Bird of Prey. Also Desmond does mean "from South Munster". [[User:Cyberaltair|Cyberaltair]] 09:40, December 22, 2009 (UTC) 
 
To be exact, Desmond means "The World." It would make sense, considering what he's got to go through in the upcoming game! Also, I'd hate to mention Wikipedia, but for the origins of the Assassins, their article on Hashshashin seems accurate enough. [[User:AgentValentine|AgentValentine]] 06:21, February 5, 2010 (UTC)

Can you please tell me what source states that Desmond's name means 'the world'. Cause I checked two different sources. One stating, 'From an Irish surname which was derived from Gaelic Deas-Mhumhan meaning "from south Munster (in Ireland)"'. Another stated something very similar with the meaning 'Man from south Munster'. http://babynamesworld.parentsconnect.com/meaning_of_Desmond.html
http://www.behindthename.com/name/desmond. So if this is correct then we need to remove certain trivia, such as the last added one, where it claims that he's a tragic hero, since his name means the world, which doesn't seem the case to me, and that since AC is about the end of the world.- [[User:Altaïr|Altaïr]] Februari 22, 2010 (UTC)

In Latin, Desmond means "Man of the World." http://baby-names.adoption.com/search/Desmond.html

It seems like Desmond only means "Man from South Munster" in Gaelic. As the game has so much to do with religion and Catholicism, I'd say the Latin meaning is far more likely. You need to check more sources.

He's not a tragic hero though. He does not fit that description. [[User:AgentValentine|AgentValentine]] 13:54, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

Well I have checked two sources, see above. Which is what troubles me. Two sites so far state that it means from Muster, while one says it's latin and means, man from the world. And yeah someone speculated, not me, that he might be tragic hero in the third one, as said above. AC is about the end of the world, and since he's name means world, he/ she states, maybe that means 'the end of Demond', presuming that he might die in the third game. [[User:Altaïr|Altaïr]] Februari 22, 2010 (UTC)

There's more than one site that says his name means Man of the World. I'm holding a book of traditional Catholic baby names (a book that's well over 21 years old) that states his name means "Man of the World" in Latin, and "Son of man from South Munster" in Gaelic. As Desmond has no Gaelic roots, if we have to presume anything, my vote is for the Latin. [[User:AgentValentine|AgentValentine]] 14:29, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

Yes I have found more sites myself that state that the meaning is man of the world, however they all did say that the origin was Celtic, not Latin. Tbh, Desmond doesn't sound like it's Latin. So what I propose is that we leave that the name means 'man of the world' however I think we should change that the origin is Celtic.[[User:Altaïr|Altaïr]] Februari 22, 2010 (UTC)

The Celtic translation is based off the Latin--The Celts were conquered by the Romans, who spoke Latin. If anything, I'd slip Celtic/Latin in there instead of one or the other. Also, I was just reading that Desmond bears another meaning to the Slavic people of East Europe: "All Creation." Goes hand in hand with "The World." [[User:AgentValentine|AgentValentine]] 14:36, February 22, 2010 (UTC) EDIT: Also reading that the Anglo-Saxon meaning for the word is "Gracious Defender."

Well the new description of the meaning of his name is fine by me. Enough sources claimed that his name means 'man of the world' - [[User:Altaïr|Altaïr]] Februari 22, 2010 (UTC)

: I stuck Celtic in there for you, too, since it's impossible to know if the Celts or Romans were the original source of the name meaning. :) [[User:AgentValentine|AgentValentine]] 15:02, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, and if you could check Desmond's early life, if this description suits you better. It's still canon (according to D.Cello) without calling his parents hippies lol - - [[User:Altaïr|Altaïr]] Februari 22, 2010 (UTC)

Desmond means 'Gracious Defender' in several different languages....... The Egyptians and Africans had 'Desmonds' like the Romans had Emperors..... Plus, gracious defender does fit quite well, as the Assassins of Altair's day were dubbed 'The Gracious Defenders' ;-)..... Also, Altair does mean 'Head of the Eagle' or simply 'The Eagle'. However, in some of these baby name websites you get 'The Flying One' for some reason......[[User:EchoAltair|EchoAltair]] 14:56, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

- Altair ibn la ahad, the flying one, son of no one.

i figure the first name is refrence to Eagle, and son of no one, means he is the first.

- Ezio Auditore,

Ezio being the Itlian pronucation of a Cyprus name. Altair went to cyprus, possibly Italy.

Auditore, derived from Auditor, like a listener and then a spokesman. maybe a prophet. someone to relay a message. "Not to you, but through you"

- Desmond Miles.

Desmond being a man of the world, and Miles, being short for Milestone. (kinda taking a leap of faith with that one)

and considering the world may end in 2012, I would say the would will go through a pretty big milestone.

Desmond in latin = Man of the world, Miles in latin = soldier, all in all a "soldier for the world" meaning he could stop the end of the world and truly bring peace that the assassins strive for the most. 14:56 June 25 2011 (GMT)

== On Spoiler Alerts ==

I feel as if the section on AC has spoilers too for those who have not yet played the first game (yes, those people still exist). If anyone knows how we should create a template that goes at the top of the page to warn about spoilers. We can look to wikis such as Halopedia for inspiration.

Believe me, I would do it myself but I am unfortunately not that good with creating my own templates using the wiki coding. So if someone could please make one it would be much appreciated. BellicoseIntellect 04:50, November 27, 2009 (UTC)

We already have one. {{spoilerhd}}

But we not classifying it as spoiler anymore. Spoiler refers to plot details about newly released and recent or upcoming media. AC has been out for 3 years already. -- [[User:D. Cello|D. Cello]] 23:42, January 16, 2010 (UTC)

==Handedness==

Are Desmond and his ancestors (Altair and Ezio) ambidextrous? On the loading screens of both games, Altair, Desmond and Ezio are seen standing southpaw, and in the games, the hidden blades that Altair and Desmond use as well as Ezio's first hidden blade (also the poison blade and the pistol) are used by the left hands. Throwing knives were thrown from their left hands but they wielded their swords right-handed. Is this merely coincidence or are the developers trying to establish a link with the gamers, much like how Link from the Zelda series functions?

[[User:H-Man Havoc|H-Man Havoc]] 16:25, December 21, 2009 (UTC)

Well you kinda gave the reason yourself, the reason for the hidden blade being in the left arm is so they would have their right arm for their sword.+ the fact that the ringfinger is cut off and to fight with your sword in a ahnd with only 4 fingers is not so practical I think. I hope that in brotherhood there's some hidden blade+ sword fighting options. [[Special:Contributions/81.11.191.241|81.11.191.241]] 16:43, September 30, 2010 (UTC)

== Concept Art for Assassin's Creed III ==

[[File:Assassins-creedguns.jpg]]

I just found this concept art of Desmond for Assassin's Creed III. Here's the link.

http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2009/12/23/assassins-creed-concept-art-packs-some-heat/

Your most honorable servant,

- '''Beirut'''

Didn't you read the article? It's no artwork, it's fan art. -_- - [[User:Master Sima Yi|Master Sima Yi]] 12:09, December 25, 2009 (UTC)

Imagine him using that to try to kill you lmao. [[User:TitanGunz|TitanGunz]] 00:53, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

==Genes==
"Desmond, like Altair and Ezio, is a born of a bloodline mixed with Assassin and the "Ones Who Came Before" genes."

This is currently in this article's trivia section. Where is it said that they had Those Who Came Before genes? If this were to be true, why didn't Minerva say something along the lines of "you are on of us" when Ezio was in the Vatican Vault? It seems more logical that they were ancestors of Adam and Eve. And somewhere on this wiki it's said that all of them were immune to the Pieces of Eden's powers, which backs it up. [[User:Master Sima Yi|Master Sima Yi]] 12:09, December 25, 2009 (UTC)

:If no true source is given, delete it. -- [[User:D. Cello|D. Cello]] 02:56, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

In one of the Truth Glyphs, Assassins are explained as "born of two worlds" (humans and Gods (Those Who Came Before). And its possible that Ezio is STILL a descendant of Adam and Eve, should they be assassins or something of the like. Not all assassin's were immune to Pieces of Eden. In Masyaf, only Altair and a few other assassins were not affected by the Apple. Being a descendent of Altair, Ezio may be immune (like when he fought Borgia as the Pope) but it may be that he was holding another Piece.
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From the Adam and Eve article:
"If Adam and Eve were in fact immune to the Piece's of Eden then this would mean that Altair and Ezio were descendants of Adam and Eve. This would also mean that Subject 16 is related to Desmond, possibly his father..."

(I was gonna put this on the Adam and Eve discussion page but I put it on a busier one to try and get more feedback, since it applies to a few pages and seemed to fit in with the Gene question.)

Where was it established that there's only one bloodline that can withstand the Pieces? Isn't it still possible that totally unrelated people could be immune? It looks like the immunity can be inherited, but I haven't seen any indication that it has a single source/line.

There's about 400 years between Ezio and Desmond. Even with a (very long) 50-year generation cycle, that's at least 8 generations. That would mean that Desmond has 256 ancestors in Ezio's generation. We don't *know* that Ezio is the only one in Desmond's ancestry descended from Altair, or even that he's one of Altair's descendants at all. Cello, I'm still looking for the webdoc you mentioned. I'm just going to stay a descendant-agnostic until I find it.

16 and Desmond don't have to be closely related at all to both have Ezio's memories. If Ezio (or any of his children) had more than 1 child, then that could be where 16 and Desmond's lines split. If 16's connection to Altair comes from a different direction (like if they're each from different children of Altair) then Ezio and Altair could be their common ancestors through 2 totally separate trees.

Assuming that ANY humans are not descended from Adam and Eve, it's possible that none of the named characters are descended from them. Altair (probably) wasn't using anything like an Animus, so he doesn't have to be related to get the memory/Truth video. But he still saw it and both 16 and Desmond could see it through Altair's memory of it. 16 seems to have more information, so he's probably related to somebody that was involved, but it still wouldn't have to be Adam or Eve.

[[User:Shelkartmarne|Shelkartmarne]] 17:49, December 27, 2009 (UTC)

:You're completelly right. If you don't have a source, doubt it. I believe it was in one of the interviews that french guy gave to gamespot or ign, where he shows the playthorugh and says "In Assassin's Creed II, we play as another of Desmond's Ancestor, like the greatgreatgreatgreatchildren of Altaïr, but this guy is even more badass than Altaïr." But keep your research, if you find otherwise, change the article. =] -- [[User:D. Cello|D. Cello]] 17:58, December 27, 2009 (UTC)

== Hood up ==

Could someone give me proof that when Desmond's hood is up, it resembles a beak? I have searched everywhere for it, but no results have showed up. [[User:Master Sima Yi|Master Sima Yi]] 20:50, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

Xbox Live Avatars? I have seen it in the Avatar Marketplace. [[User:EliteMaster117|EliteMaster117]] 02:40, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

You never see gim with his hood up, you'll just have to look closely. I'll admit, the beak shape on his hood is not as dramatic as Ezio's and is only a little smaller than Altair's. It's there, just find a good angle and look closely. ([[User:J.h.jaraub|J.h.jaraub]] 01:35, January 17, 2010 (UTC))

==D.O.B==
What's the source for his DOB? I don't remember it being mentioned in-game, although I could be mistaken. '''''[[User:Jasca Ducato]]''''' [[User talk:Jasca Ducato|Council Chamber]] [[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato|Assassination record]] 10:10, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

Two. -- [[User:D. Cello|D. Cello]] 16:06, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

At the end of AC: Brotherhood, Juno says he was "...birthed on the 72nd day before the..." I think it was something about artifacts. Did that mean that it was his birthday when he free ran across the Colosseum? [[User:Jackass2009|Jackass2009]] 19:21, February 18, 2011 (UTC)

== looks like ezio and altair? ==

This article (and many others) keeps saying that desmond looks like altair and ezio, why?

I thought it was common knowledge that the animus replaced the ancestors face with the user's, (which is also why on some trailers and art ezio and altair don't look like ther in-game counterparts).

Ezio and altair's REAL faces are never shown in-game, it is shown in some trailers and concept art though (you can see ezio's real face in the mini-movie about his father it actually looks like the face he has in one of the trailers)

However, it seems that this fact is ill-known across the entire wiki, I suggest this issue is adressed.
*The faces you see in-game ''are'' the faces of the characters. I dunno where this "Animus replacing the faces..." rubbish is coming from. The simple fact is that, as decendants of Desmond, the two both share highly similar facail structures. '''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' [[User talk:Jasca Ducato|Council Chamber]] [[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato|Assassination record]] 23:32, March 28, 2010 (UTC)
*Absolutely. What you said make no sense at all, and I'm gonna go ahead and list you the reasons:
#It was never said the Animus replaced the characters face. If so, why not their bodies as well?
#From a genetic/science/biological/pratical point of view, replacing their faces with the users makes no sense at all. It would envolve scanning their faces instead of "reading" a memory. The Animus is a "reader and player of genetic memories". as our little bastard Warren Vidic so politely explains to Desm.
#Ezio is different from Altaïr and Desmond. Altough Desm and Altaïr are almost clones, Desmond and Ezio are very alike, but not exact matches.
#As said above: ''"The simple fact is that, as decendants of Desmond, the two both share highly similar facail structures."'' . They are actually ''ascendants'', but anyway, the statement *is* true.
 
And sign your posts. ;D -- [[User:D. Cello|D. Cello]] 02:41, March 29, 2010 (UTC)

:I just watched Lineage and when I saw that Ezio is the only main character to have different actors in movie and game the first thing I thought was "ah, so the animus replaces the ancestor's face"(it's actually a common way to show a body is possessed by someone else, eg the stargate episodes about mind transfer, so it's a valid theory). There doesn't have to be any scanning involved, it might just seem to Desmond (and the player) to be that way. In that case, anyone who just looked at the recordings would see the ancestor's real face.

:On the other hand, I just remembered about Bloodlines. If I understand correctly(never played it), you actually play as Altaïr, without using the animus. He still seems to look just the same. If this is true, it's probably the easiest way to disprove the whole face-replacing thing. --[[User:N00braz|n00braz]] 09:42, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
::No the fact is that Ezio is the only character who was too young to depict in the movie to have the same actor in the game as well. They needed a younger Ezio, thus a younger actor. That's all there is to it. The other characters could be depicted by the same actors from the game as the age difference they had was still believable for them in the movie. --[[User:Altaïr|Altaïr]] 12:01, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
:::Also, n00braz. In every episode of Stargate Universe (the series I'm assuming you're talking about), the person being possessed doesn't have their face physically changed. The possessed character still looks like he or she would before, we only see the possessor for character reference. So we're still waiting on an example of this so called "common way" to show body possession; which, by the way, isn't what's happening within the Animus, technically. '''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' [[User talk:Jasca Ducato|Council Chamber]] [[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato|Assassination record]] 11:37, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
::: Think about this realistically, all thats happening is Ubisoft recycling character models to save memory
::: space [[User:Darkraider09|Darkraider09]] 15:10, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
::: Darkraider09, why would Ubisoft recycle the same exact face for the three main characters? I'm trying to find the source for this right now, but I fully support the genetics theory. [[Special:Contributions/75.65.53.99|75.65.53.99]] 20:37, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

== Time Period ==

I think if your saying he was born in 1987, you dont have to say what time period he lives inn
*Yes we do. '''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' [[User talk:Jasca Ducato|Council Chamber]] [[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato|Assassination record]] 19:55, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

== Appearance ==

*Ugh, Desmond has a beard in AC:B? Other than that, I really like the subtle (or not so subtle) changes that are making him into the Assassin he was born to be and has become; the tattoo on his left forearm where his Hidden Blade is worn (connection unconfirmed?), the changing of his hoodie, and the red inside to the hoodie. [[Special:Contributions/173.78.243.192|173.78.243.192]] 21:47, September 28, 2010 (UTC)
*Yeah I was a bit surprised by the new changes too, however my biggest thing is wanting to see Desmond with his hood up, or atleast a button combination (not a cheat code, but official "put-the-hood-up" combo) introduced to allow him to have it on during any possible modern freeroam sequences outside the animus in Brotherhood. However, I am curious about something; At the end of AC II we see Desmond get a hidden blade and bracer very much like Giovanni's/Ezio's from AC II, however in Brotherhood, as shown in the picture below, the bracer it's self is missing and only the hidden blade is strapped to his forearm. I'm curious as to what he did with the (rather nice) bracer and why he would simply discard it. Sure the hidden blade is a little more discreet without the bracer, but what do you guys think? [[User:Assassin-Rayne|Assassin-Rayne]] 22:13, September 28, 2010 (UTC)
*Nowadays there are guns that can shoot through reletivly thin pieces of metal. Even if Desmond's eagle vision works the bullet would still go through that bracer. The bracer could be heavy because the animus does not give you muscles. [[User:Blix1ms0ns|Blix1ms0ns]] 20:31, January 25, 2011 (UTC)
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== Desmond's Hidden Blade ==

Ubisoft probably went with a different hidden blade because the one in AC II was just an in-game model of Ezio's because they couldn't come up with a good design. Another possibility is it is the same hidden blade, but Desmond decided to get rid of the bracer because it would have stood out if he ever went on assassination missions. Not to mention Ezio was able to take off the Hidden blade without taking off the bracer during his curb stomping of the Pope.

== Profile picture==
First of all, I like the picture. But it shows Desmond without a beard, and from other images we saw that he does have a beard. So does it depict him correctly? I think we should re-consider what picture we'll use as a profile pic. We can always put the current one in the gallery. -- [[user:Altaïr|Altaïr]] 9:41, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

== Playable Desmond Skin in The Animus ==
If you complete every memory in Sequence 8 with 100% sync, you'll recieve a Desmond costume, for use in the animus.

== ACIII ==

Okay someone added this: "It has been confirmed that there will be a Asssassin's Creed 3 coming and Desmond will be reliving his ancestors memories from the WW2."

Without any reference whatsoever. I always heard WWII was unlikely because all games go there. But i'm not someone to dismiss new onformation easily, butit has to be sourced. So i leave it to others to judge on this. Maybe the author has proof and will proivde it when reading this

[[User:EXistenZ!|EXistenZ!]] 20:06, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

I just sifted through latest news for Assassin's Creed 3, and nothing pops up about WWII being the next setting. Some people ''expect'' that to be so, but I doubt it. It's too cliche. It'll probably be a setting where the church is prominent in its influences to show corruption of power--The 3rd crusade, the Italian Renaissance-- and WWII was more about the main world powers in WWI-Germany, mainly-getting back at their enemies after being forced to pay back damages after surrendering. We have the Holocuast, the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and Pearl Harbor, all of which have nothing to do with faith and religion except the Jewish victims of the Nazis. Where would he/she go? Nazi camps in Poland? Japan? France? The U.S was uneventful at the time as far as fighting was concerned. I doubt they'd go back to Italy. Ooh, what if Desmond's ancestor sees Hitler off himself in his bunker? On 2nd thought, Nazi-occupied France sounds cool......And so do the battles in North Africa. Being a Tuskeegee airmen would be cool, too. A black assassin? That would be a fresh change. Sorry for my ramblings, but all in all, World War II is too hectic for a sneaky assassin to go around shanking people when they have assault rifles and snipers. Unless he'll have a bat like Eli Roth in Inglorious Basterds, hehe.Strang3Happ3nings 18:47, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

== The Beard ==

Can we remove any mention of Desmond's beard in Brotherhood. It looks like it was just a design Ubi were fiddling around with, and never decided to use.

== Gamespot discussion ==

==An Interesting Theory==
Someone on Gamespot just came up with a good theory after beating Brotherhood. At mention of Subject 16 saying "Your son..." to Desmond, someone theorized that we are reliving the memories of Desmond in the game. Are the recordings Sub. 16 leaves behind activated exclusively to Desmond, or could any assassin decode them? I remember his glyphs being unspecified as to who he was talking to in the 2nd one, and he never said Desmond's name, so maybe he's rattling off info to the Assassins he knew would be able to decode his puzzles and find the truth. If so, he could have been talking to Subject 15, who was pregnant. I think Sub. 16's mind is confined to the Apple, personally. Sounds crazy, I know. It tripped me out, but anyone have any evidence to refute this claim? Strang3Happ3nings 00:53, November 24, 2010 (UTC)
*The glyphs were hidden within Desmond's (and 16's) genetic memories, so only the those two would be able to access them. That said, I am personally of the opinion that the feminine voice you hear in the clusters is, in actuality, 16 speaking through the Animus; kinda like, his conciousness is embedded within the genetic memories he has visited. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' [[User talk:Jasca Ducato|Council Chamber]] [[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato|Assassination record]] 00:58, November 24, 2010 (UTC)
*Ah. So he could very well be talking about his ''own'' son, yes? When he says he needs to recharge, I wonder if he's connected to a computer somewhere far away......Like some kind of machine that holds consciences of dead people. Like some kind of afterlife thingy. Any religion goes in the AC Universe. Strang3Happ3nings 01:20, November 24, 2010 (UTC)
*Personally, that was basically the only message I got from "the truth" and the ending- that even when the gamer believes they are out of the animus, they are still in one. The first clue is obviously from subject 16, he refers to the "sun" (solar flare), then he refers to "your son" which he says specifically to Desmond. At first I thought it may have been a reference to the momentarily mentioned pregnant woman, however, the couple lines of dialog at the very end of the game directed me elsewhere. Some unknown male voices are talking, one says "he is going into shock" and "its the animus that did this to him" and the other tells the first to "put him back in", then you hear a third voice struggle to say "no". This extra but of information made me believe that someone is reliving Desmonds memories, and that most likely it is Desmond's son. The final clue I noticed on my second playthrough, subject 16 also said "it is far later than you know", this I thought dramatically reinforces the notion that the whole game takes place inside another animus. I suppose it could be Desmond himself being forced to relive memories by abstergo again, but I do believe that his son is the one doing the reliving, after all he would of course have the DNA required to do so. - Icarus Pariah 1:15, December 23, 2010
*Somehow the "animus within the animus" theory/parts kinda reminds me of controlling a game controller using a robot arm. Pehaps those "animus within animus" parts are just virtual machines. If the "son in the animus theory is correct" then why can't they play the memory in "the son's" animus. Perhaps it is faster viewing and processing that way. [[User:Blix1ms0ns|Blix1ms0ns]] 20:26, January 25, 2011 (UTC)

== Is it canon? ==
Desmond, in-game, can interact at different intervals with the other Modern day Assassins. Do we consider this to be part of the series cannon? If so should the details of the conversations be put in his Biography?

Also, do we know if picking up the Modren day artefacts is cannon too?[[User:Kam-Sage|Kam-Sage]] 17:59, December 24, 2010 (UTC)
:Cannon go boom! Yes, it is canon. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' [[User talk:Jasca Ducato|Council Chamber]] [[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato|Assassination record]] 03:22, December 25, 2010 (UTC)

== Two men ==

It says that after Desmond stabs Lucy two men put him in the animus again after he goes into shock. Does that mean Abstergo found him again or could it be that Shaun and Rebecca and two other Assassins Put him in the animus after he went into shock and do the assassins know thst ''Juno'' was controlling Desmond?

:If we knew, it would be in the article. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' [[User talk:Jasca Ducato|Council Chamber]] [[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato|Assassination record]] 21:39, December 29, 2010 (UTC) 
The two man are not part of Abstergo since one sayed he is in shock and sayed the animus did this to him which means he was worryed about desmond which mean they can't be part of Abstergo.[[User:Mrgod11234|Mrgod11234]] 22:14, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

One of the men is William M. as was revealed in the Da Vinci Disappearance if u play it after u beat Brotherhood. 10:48, May 18, 2011

just out of weard wondering do you think that william is desmonds dad .ie the M for Miles

== Adam Sandler ==

Has anyone else noticed how much he looks like Adam Sandler? I know he wasn't modeled after him, but still. He looks a lot like him. [[User:Jackass2009|Jackass2009]] 05:41, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

He also looks a bit like Josh Randall, he's not very well known, but google him, you'll see it. [[User:'R BlaiddDdraig|'R BlaiddDdraig]] 06:56, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

At least we know who to cast as Desmond if they ever make an Assassin's Creed movie.

Nothing is true; everything is permitted. 20:46, February 10, 2011 (UTC)

==Desmond's Stability==

Hmm this storyline is ridiculous.

But it is oh so very good.

So on a basis, what do we know for sure here? Is Desmond in a good situation or bad one? Because all we see here is him being chucked (Forced) into the animus.

When are we gonna see some modern day work for at least... say, 2 sequences worth of time?

Also, his Sanity is questionable (As of this moment especially) I dont think its cool to stab your (Allies) Controlled or not.

More on this. [[Special:Contributions/98.14.179.19|98.14.179.19]] 02:17, January 17, 2011 (UTC) Mr.Wise

He is in a bad position for sure, and if you could hear Juno or Jupiter or whatever she's called, she said to stop resisting. Also, there's the possibility that Lucy had her intentions to screw the whole crew over. "She's not who you think she is." [[User:Jackass2009|Jackass2009]] 03:18, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

-I honestly think that the "Lucy traitor" concept is something thatwas implied in the ending to throw us all off, Read the assassins creed the fall comics and you can see that the last time something along the lines of (very loosely along the lines, but still...) desmond's situation happened, that Daniel Cross (Spoilers) almost got romantically involved with Hanna before he killed the Mentor, he also got pretty far into the assassins before his sleeper agent programming activated, so the emails from "William" to lucy could be something of a hint to that incident, especially considering that it has been said that the comics will significantly tie in to the next game, and the assassins could still be weary of a repeat of the past, especially if "William" is Bill Miles, then he would have been close enough to the incident to remember it, and know some of the specifics, honestly though none of the speculations made ever turn out to be true, my guess is probably 100% wrong, as are all the others, but that's why we all love Assassin's Creed, the writers are just that good, the graphics and gameplay are amazing, andings rock, and you always come back asking for more while your thoughts run through in-game conspiracy theories crazier than those of Boyd from the Milkman level of Psychonauts.

About the "she's not who you think she is" 16 was talking about Minerva/juno due to the fact that if you look closly at the garden of eden video minerva is standing over what look like human slaves and she/it seem's to have a controle issue, which if you think about it if 16 is still an assassin in consciousness he will do anything to help desmonds jouney and if you think about altiar he was liberating men and women under a templar mastery an also TWCB seem to contain templar symbols in the AC2 glyches such as Horus. 14:47 june 25 2011

== Desmond's Assassin outfit ==

So, what do you think Desmond's Assassin attire'll look like in ACIII? It's most likely just going to be his same white hoodie with the hood up but hey, you never know.

I'm thinking something along the lines of a long white trench coat or a duster with a cowl on the back or something like that. What do you think?

Nothing is true; everything is permitted. 20:43, February 10, 2011 (UTC)

I think it'll be very much the same as it is now. I'm guessing he'll put his hood up, probably recieve a gun, a collapsable asp (like the ones the Abstergo guards carry) that would collapse into an inconspicuous handle to attach to his belt. And probably a few bits and bobs around his waist. Bearing in mind that, presumably, he'll be travelling in public, he can't afford to throw caution to the wind like Ezio and Altair. He'll have to hide his weapons carefully. [[User:RussellSparrow|RussellSparrow]] 22:30, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

Better, It would look like his present attire but ... he would need some sort of close combat type wepon. I personally want a cool collapsable Katana(samurai sword). It could fold into a small handle he could strap to his back. Mabe a silenced pistol type gun (for secrecy). And mabe a heavier gun for a more violent approch. All of this could be consealed by wearing a sleeveless padded jacket. He would probably look like Alex Mercer's beta design from [PROTOTYPE]...And he should have three hidden blades (two on one wrist. Mabe one splits apart). Three hidden blades=Assassins Creed III. 19.54, April 26,2011(UTC)

If they are going to give Desmond a third hidden blade, maybe it could be a boot knife-thing (like the Joker uses in The Dark Knight), so Desmond can use his kick attack to actually do more damage, or fight while free running. I'm not so keen on the guns, although the way I think it would work is similar to the crossbow, Desmond using a sniper rifle or something similar. Some enemies could use guns maybe, but I dont want Desmond to become gun-heavy. [[User:Eggy2504]] 21:31, August 12, 2011

== Desmond's tattoo ==

Does anyone have a design of Desmond's tattoo on his left arm? Where did it come from? Has it always been there and what does it represent? 4/2/2011 10:55 (UTC)

:No. Tattoo artist. Since before AC1 started. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' [[User talk:Jasca Ducato|Council Chamber]] [[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato|Assassination record]] 13:58, April 3, 2011 (UTC)
:
:It represents his heretige as a member the Brotherhood which he probably got before or after he turned 16 which is the age that he ran away from the "Farm"

== "Nexus" where he, ezio and alrair meet? ==

So any ideas of what this "nexus" where the threee of them meet? I say its got to do with the scar. its got to be the scar.

I was thinking it had something to do with the 3 of their love interests dying. Altair's was Adha, Ezio's was Cristina, and Desmond's was Lucy--assuming Lucy died. I never got the hint that they were falling in love, though. They sounded more like college buddies and close friends but not lovers. Perhaps the driving anger that ran through them at the time will bring him back to consciousness, but I'm pretty sure it's something more important than a woman dying, so feel free to ignore this ramble, lol.

Maybe all 3 see a key moment in Adam and Eve's history. They've all been around the Apple for extended periods of time, so maybe it has something to do with that. Remember when Altair's codex said he wanted to look at the apple one last time? We don't know what happened after that. We just assume Altair died. Maybe those 5 discs not only look into the past but also the future and they transfer Desmond's mind as well as Ezio's and Altair's to one point where they all meet and have a brainblast. Strang3Happ3nings 23:13, May 18, 2011 (UTC)

== I MADE SOMETHING ==

So, [[:File:Winking_328des.gif|I made something]]... [[:File:Sidekick3_328DESmond.gif||check it out]]. It's what Desmond did before he was kidnapped by Abstergo. Playing soccer during his pastimes. This is not true, so don't ask me where i got it.
Sorry, forgot to sign. By the way, Desmond is darker here, blame Avatara. [[User:MakinArceneau|MakinArceneau]] 03:07, May 15, 2011 (UTC)
*K. [[User:Il Lupo|Il Lupo]] 04:07, May 15, 2011 (UTC)

== What is Desmond? ==

I remember reading somewhere, I think it was the AC booklet, that Altair was ethnically ambiguous. One of the developers of the game said he had a Christian mother and a Muslim father (but the wierd thing is, he has no accent--neither Arabic or English, but it's accentless. They said that was intentional, even though his voice was changed in Altair's Chronicles.) Ezio is Italian and Desmond is American. Vidic mentioned him having African ancestors in the 1st game, but how far back? He wasn't specific, so it could have been any time period except the ones explored, either before or after. I know Desmond is a hybrid of TWCB and humans, but does anyone have any more info about this? Just curious. Strang3Happ3nings 23:24, May 18, 2011 (UTC)
*Altair was not ethnically ambiguous, he's half Syrian at least (on his father's side). Also, he does have an accent, it may not be an arabic accent, but he still has one… American isn't an ethnicity, it's a nationality. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' [[User talk:Jasca Ducato|Council Chamber]] [[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato|Assassination record]] 23:48, May 18, 2011 (UTC)
*I see....Well, if that is Desmond's nationality, then what is his ethnicity? I can't seem to place Altair's accent at all....:-/ When he speaks Arabic at the end of the 1st one to Al Mualim, it didn't sound as fluid as my cousin's Arabic. Strang3Happ3nings 01:51, May 19, 2011 (UTC)

WTF WHO DELETED THE WHOLE TEXT?!?!?!?!!

[[User:Jaanwu95|Jaanwu95]] 11:57, June 21, 2011 (UTC)

== WTF?!?!?!? ==

WHO DELETED THE WHOLE PAGE??????

Vandals. Sign your posts. [[User:UDITORE|UDITORE]] 12:01, June 21, 2011 (UTC)

== Desmond - Templar/Assassin ==

Altair and Maria obviously made a baby (as shown in Assissins Creed II). So, does this mean that Desmond is both an Assassin and a Templar? Desmond is a decendant of Altair and he had a baby with Maria who is a Templar. -- SomeGuy 5:59, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

Not necesarrily. Maria obviously was no longer a Templar when she married Altair, it's not like a Templar is a ''race ''or anything either. Besides, Ezio was a ancestor of Desmond too [[User:Falco Luce del Sud-Est|Falco Luce]] 10:21, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

"You were born from our loains and the loains of our enemy.". That's a quote from, Juna, at the end of Assassin's Creed Brotherhood. I think he has Assassin and Templar DNA; maybe that's why he's so important? -- SomeGuy, 18:54, August 27, 2011 (UTC)

No, Juno says that he's born with TWCB and human DNA. [[User:Uditore|'''Uditore''']] [[User_Talk:Uditore|™]] 22:58, August 27, 2011 (UTC)

Juno says "our enemy" not humans.

Talk:Abstergo Industries

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== About the history section ==

I just played one of the Subject 16, cluster 5. Throughout the puzzle, there are clues that abstergo influenced events in Iran, Chile, and Argentina in the 1950s to 1970s. They put pictures and such. It is appropriate to keep this info on this page? If so, your'll welcome to expand or fix the information. I have trouble with the citations since I'm a rookie. [[User:Tseantan|Tseantan]] 22:57, December 1, 2010 (UTC)
:Yes, it is. Btw, Tseantan, links ar made with double brackets (<nowiki>[[article name link]]), not keys ({{article WRONG!}}</nowiki>) ;D -- [http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/User:D._Cello D. Cello] 22:58, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

== W.: concerning Iraq. ==

Could W. possibly mean George W. Bush?, I may just be speculating but that ties in with real life affairs, such as the invasion etc.

[[George W. Bush|Duh.]] [[Special:Contributions/98.192.42.30|98.192.42.30]] 21:16, April 20, 2011 (UTC)

== contradiction over abstergo's public nature ==

In Brotherhood, one of the Clusters had a telephone conversation featuring a man who found out about Abstergo and was going to write a book about them. He says that they are a shadow corporation that isn't publicly traded and who's members even have ties to the government and Wall Street. Pretty much, their existence is a secret. But in the first game, isn't it explicitly mentioned a number of times that they are a well known pharmaceutical company that makes anti-depressants amongst other things. They are under investigation for the who New Fluoride incident (try investigating a company that "doesn't exist". I bet ya can't), and the person who witnessed the Denver massacre said that he saw the name and the logo. So they are either a shadow company who's name isn't even known to the public, or they are on the surface a pharmaceutical/technology corporation. Which is it?[[User:Son of God-Enel|Son of God-Enel]] 03:54, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

I think somewhere along the lines, I got the impression that they were a "non-existant" shadow corporation, but later kind of subtly emerged publicly as a major economic power. But that's probably just me, assuming it even makes sense. [[Special:Contributions/98.192.42.30|98.192.42.30]] 17:48, April 19, 2011 (UTC)

As a matter of a fact there are some of those "shadow corporations" already in existence. Ever heard of Unilever ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Unilever_brands) it's a perfect example: everybody knows it's products, but hardly anyone knows that they are somehow connected - by a "umbrella brand". There are many others as well. In reality our whole market is being controlled by a handfull of those brands. So the idea of a single very powerful but relatively unknown brand (Abstergo) might seem quite creepy, but it corresponds to our current situation. LaNeve 15:35, August 6, 2011 (MEZ)

== F ==

The agent 'F' is most likely Milton Friedman, nobel laureate economist and staunch supporter of lasseiz-faire style market capitalism. Friedmen basically drove the neoliberal revolution in the latter half of the 20th century, driving economic policy away from Keynesian to more liberal - the most prominent is the economic reform of Chile. Pinochet, Thatcher, Reganm and Xiaoping are all examples of neoliberal politicians

[[John F. Kennedy|Uh, no.]] Don't forget to sign your posts. [[User:Guardian Assassin|Guardian Assassin]] 04:49, May 28, 2011 (UTC)

Ah...my mistake, I see what you're getting at. Different F. [[User:Guardian Assassin|Guardian Assassin]] 08:13, May 30, 2011 (UTC)

== Italian Facility ==

In the gallery, the picture of the facility featured in the games is currently captioned "Animus room, Florence Facility". Is there a source on the exact location of the facility in Italy? [[Special:Contributions/98.192.42.30|98.192.42.30]] 17:52, April 19, 2011 (UTC)

:In case you didn't know, the modern day storyline takes place in Italy. And as said in ''Brotherhood'', they couldn't flee across Italy's border as Abstergo would find them. If you look at the windows in the first ''Assassin's Creed'' and ''Assassin's Creed II'', you'll see that it looks exactly like Florence. Also, I'm 99,9% sure that Ubisoft themselves confirmed that particular facility is in Florence; I believe in a blog post on the official ''Brotherhood'' website, they I can't recall which one. -- [[User:Master Sima Yi|Master Sima Yi]] 19:19, April 19, 2011 (UTC)
::Yes, I was aware that it was set in Italy. And I'm pretty sure I know what you're talking about; unfortunately, [http://www.computerandvideogames.com/270248/interviews/assassins-creed-brotherhood-in-depth-qa/ this] was all I could find when I Googled it, but I know that there was more, because I remember them saying that there were hints in the first two games. Couldn't find it on the official site, either. In any case, all I remember reading was that it was in general Italy, with no mention of what city. And I'm not saying you're wrong, but all I can see through the windows in AC1 and AC2 is white light and the very vague forms of some surrounding buildings. No distinctive details. Maybe it's just me. [[Special:Contributions/98.192.42.30|98.192.42.30]] 21:08, April 19, 2011 (UTC)
:::Well? [[User:Guardian Assassin|Guardian Assassin]] 04:29, May 28, 2011 (UTC)

== Vault ==

Abstergo's symbol is also in the walls of the vault, along with the assassin symbol and I'm pretty sure I also saw the templar cross. If anyone has a doubt check the Vault page, it says so in the Trivia section.

[[User:AlexArkham|AlexArkham]] 03:13, May 28, 2011 (UTC)

I've never seen those outside the Vault, either. [[User:Guardian Assassin|Guardian Assassin]] 04:27, May 28, 2011 (UTC)

Except maybe the cross. [[User:Guardian Assassin|Guardian Assassin]] 04:28, May 28, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, then, I'll just go replay the first mission of ACB and then upload the picture. Once I have it, I'll edit it again.

[[User:AlexArkham|AlexArkham]] 15:53, May 29, 2011 (UTC)

I wouldn't say that that's certafiably an Abstergo logo. Yes, there's a resemblance, but no, it's not definate. [[User:Guardian Assassin|Guardian Assassin]] 22:40, June 1, 2011 (UTC)

== Religion. ==

Atheism isn't a religion. I suggest altering it to "None (Atheist)". [[User:CryptoKiller|CryptoKiller]] 10:16, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Some people simply do think it as a religion, some people don't. Google it, there's multiple opinions on it, so there's no real need to change it. [[User:UDITORE|UDITORE]] 10:19, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

== Abstergo - Johnson and Johnson ==

The real life pharmaceutical Company, Johnson & Johnson, has a lot in common with abstergo.

One of the biggest international pharmaceutical companies in the world.

Over 230 subsidiary holdings.

Uses the Red Cross as their company Symbol. (J&J does; Abstergo doesn't, but the Red Cross is the symbol used by the Templars.)

J&J are the Templars and the Carpenters are the Assassin's. This is just a joke, but I do fine it pretty interesting.-- SomeGuy 19:36, August 27, 2011 (UTC)

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