Talk:American Brotherhood of Assassins

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== Lugder Duvernay ==

Do Canadian Assassins come under this branch? Because I wanna know where Lugder Duvernay should go. [[User:IlMualim|IlMualim]] 16:58, March 25, 2012 (UTC)

No, Canadian Assassins would be listed as "Canadian Colonial Assassins" rather than here, but this article is being renamed to either "British Colonial Assassins" or "American Colonial Assassins" depending on which title is more fitting... [[User:SupremeAssassin|''Supreme Master Assassin'']][[User_talk:SupremeAssassin|O Mentoras]] 01:15, December 16, 2012 (UTC)

Renamed as when Sima or another admin deems it so, since I was unable to when I tried. [[User:Slate Vesper|Slate Vesper]] ([[User talk:Slate Vesper|talk]]) 01:17, December 16, 2012 (UTC)

== Aveline? ==

Shouldn't Aveline de Grandpre be listed here? I would do it myself but I think the article is locked. {{Unsigned|24.187.189.165}}

No, Aveline would be listed under French Colonial Assassins due to her French ancestry [[User:SupremeAssassin|''Supreme Master Assassin'']][[User_talk:SupremeAssassin|O Mentoras]] 01:13, December 16, 2012 (UTC)

Actually, it's based on location. New Orleans was in French control when Aveline was inducted, so that's why she's there. [[User:Slate Vesper|Slate Vesper]] ([[User talk:Slate Vesper|talk]]) 01:16, December 16, 2012 (UTC)

That immediately popped into my mind once I clicked 'Publish' [[User:SupremeAssassin|''Supreme Master Assassin'']][[User_talk:SupremeAssassin|O Mentoras]] 01:26, December 16, 2012 (UTC)

@Supreme's first comment, When I first made this topic, there was no French Colonial Assassins page. Just an American Assassins page. [[Special:Contributions/24.187.189.165|24.187.189.165]] 01:31, December 16, 2012 (UTC)

== Colonial Assassins ==
This should be moved or renamed to British Colonial Assassin or American Colonial Assassin to avoid confusion to other Colonial Assassin branches. Should also create [[American Assassins|American branch]] for Ratonhnhaké:ton and Desmond.

*[[Colonial Assassins]] (disambiguation)
**[[British Colonial Assassins]].
**French Colonial Assassins.
**[[Spanish Colonial Assassins]].
**Other non-[[wikipedia:Americas|Americas]] Colonial Assassins.

;Modern [[:Category:Assassin branches|assassin branches‎]]
*[[American Assassins|North American branch]]
**Provinces/States/Territories
*[[Northern European Assassins|Northern]] & Central European Assassins
**UK branch (British assassins)
*Southern & Western European Assassins
**[[French Assassins|French branch]], [[Spanish Assassins|Spanish branch]], [[Italian Assassins|Italian branch]], [[Turkish Assassins|Turkish branch]]?
*Eastern European & Transcontinental Assassins
**[[Russian Assassins|Russian branch]]
;Historical (pre-Altaïr)
*[[Babylonian Assassins]] => [[Persian Assassins]] => Iraq Assassins?/Middle Eastern branch?
*[[Roman Assassins]] => [[Italian Assassins]]

--[[User:Falconeye|Falconeye]] ([[User talk:Falconeye|talk]]) 00:54, December 16, 2012 (UTC)

:I agree, so I'll get on that. Edit: As it appears, it can only be renamed by an administrator, as it's been locked to prevent editing. I'll make sure to notify one however. [[User:Slate Vesper|Slate Vesper]] ([[User talk:Slate Vesper|talk]]) 01:05, December 16, 2012 (UTC)

::Should it be put to a vote to see what others may think on the matter? Because we have "British Colonial Assassins" and "American Colonial Assassins" [[User:SupremeAssassin|''Supreme Master Assassin'']][[User_talk:SupremeAssassin|O Mentoras]] 01:11, December 16, 2012 (UTC)

:::It's gotta be British Colonial, Supreme, both the French Colonial and Spanish Colonial Brotherhoods also refer to America. {{User:Gabriel Auditore/sig}} 01:59, December 16, 2012 (UTC)

==Colonial Assassins in multiplayer?==
I noticed in multiplayer, that memories of assassins were also used in addition to templars. Sharpshooter, Robber, Nightstalker, Highlander, and a couple more. Should they also be added to this page? [[Special:Contributions/71.108.32.207|71.108.32.207]] 02:08, February 19, 2013 (UTC)

Indeed they should, will someone edit this page soon? [[User:Mr.DarkBlade|Mr.DarkBlade]] ([[User talk:Mr.DarkBlade|talk]]) 16:00, June 29, 2013 (UTC)

==Title of the article==
We should make this page called the "English Colonial Assassins" cause it can separate it from the French Colonial Assassins

[[User:Grand Master Kenway|Grand Master Kenway]] ([[User talk:Grand Master Kenway|talk]]) 23:48, May 6, 2013 (UTC)

No. Let me clear this up: we are not renaming this article – which is the ''actual given'' name for the particular Brotherhood in the Thirteen Colonies, mind you – to a name that we made up ourselves. And a name that is just as inaccurate as the current one, since that would imply that this particular Brotherhood is located across ''all'' English colonies – those all over the British Empire. (Which would actually mean the name should be 'British Colonial Assassins', but that is beside the point.) This, quite frankly, is not the case, and prior to all these separate Brotherhoods gathering under one single Mentor sometime in the 20th century, these Brotherhoods functioned per area where communication was possible in, not necessarily per country or colonies. No single Mentor could keep leadership over all British colonies, or all colonies in the Americas.

The Assassins in Louisiana are a separate Brotherhood. Due to that, and also due to Agaté and Achilles both being Mentors at the same time; additionally, Connor does not answer to Agaté and Aveline does not answer to Achilles. However, Agaté in no way is the Mentor of all French colonies. Agaté's particular Brotherhood did not stretch beyond Louisiana, and since it seems to only comprise Agaté, Aveline and Gérald, I'm not sure if it can even be labelled a full-fledged Brotherhood. In any case, after Agaté's death, this Brotherhood seems to have become defunct.

What applies to the Colonial Brotherhood of Assassins, also applies to the 'Colonial Rite of Templars'. There was no organized Rite in the Thirteen Colonies prior to Haytham's arrival, and he became their first Grand Master. But there were other Templars and Grand Masters in other colonies, and this shows that Haytham was not the leader of all Templars in all colonies either. Curious though that Madeleine is not a Grand Master in her own right but only a Master Templar - perhaps she did answer to Haytham?

I think we can all conclude though that the whole 'Brotherhoods' and 'Rites' thing is incredibly unclear and that the writers themselves may not have it laid out for them. Also just noticed that Achilles' database entry says that Connor seems to have been the first Native American Assassin yet the Assassins started recruiting indigenous Americans since their arrival in the Americas. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 00:56, November 23, 2013 (UTC)

== Founder ==

John de la Tour wasn't the founder of the Colonial Brotherhood. He was just a French-Canadian Assassin working for the Assassin Council. The Brotherhood was founded after John died in 1745... Can we still consider him a member of this group? [[User:Lorenzo.ladogana|Lorenzo.ladogana]] ([[User talk:Lorenzo.ladogana|talk]]) 10:00, December 8, 2014 (UTC)

==Apperance and Skills==
Should we add the apperance (clothes and/or robes) and the skills and wepons that the colonial assassins used during this period? I would do it myself but i am not sure if it is important enough to be included, plus you guys already do a great job modifying pages i would't want to put anything unessessary up.[[User:Hassan-i Sabbā|Hassan-i Sabbā]] ([[User talk:Hassan-i Sabbā|talk]]) 09:18, February 16, 2015 (UTC)

==United States Assassin Brotherhood==
Hey, Guys, sorry to bring back the topic of title changing, but I've been thinking, technically, after July 4th 1776 or the end of the American Revolution, couldn't you say the the Colonial Assassin Brotherhood became the United States Assassin Brotherhood? Thanks for the time.

:It's never been referred to as such, so I personally don't see the use of that title; without a canon reference, it is essentially speculation. Also, please sign your posts. {{User:Crookandcharlatan/sig}} 21:16, March 30, 2015 (UTC)

:Well Colonial ties with Colonialism, which was the British establishing in the new world. After 1781, it is safe to sure that it is known as the American Brotherhood. I mean if Shay calls the Templars "The Colonial...the American Rite", which was in 1776 no less, it is safe to say that Connor would refer to the newly born Brotherhood, "American"

:I mean think about it, why call it Colonial, when it is no longer the colonies of the British? It defies logic going against this reasoning. [[User:Mr.DarkBlade|Mr.DarkBlade]] ([[User talk:Mr.DarkBlade|talk]]) 05:49, April 14, 2015 (UTC)

::That's different. Shay explicitly states the Templar Rite to be American. Nobody on the Assassin side refers to their own Brotherhood branch as such in the games or related media at that time. So unless it appears named as such somewhere, it's not getting changed. --[[User:Kainzorus Prime|Kainzorus Prime]] [[Special:Contributions/Kainzorus Prime|⚜]] [[User talk:Kainzorus Prime|Walkie-talkie]] 05:55, April 14, 2015 (UTC)

PIERRE BELLEC WAS A MEMBER. HE RECIEVED TRAINING FROM THEM FOR 9 YEARS AND LEFT FOR FRANCE JUST BEFORE THE 1763 ATTACK ON THE DAVENPORT HOMESTEAD

Should those 15 unidentified assassins Shay kills throughout New York, North Atlantic, River Vally be mentioned

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