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Desmond also has a scar on his mouth. Look closer.

== Pronunciation ==

How do you pronounce his LAST name?

It's pronounced (la-ah-ha-d)

How do you pronounce his name?-- 02:39, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

It is pronounced like "all-tie-ear".

Isn't it pronounced as "All-tha-ear"? It has even come to my attention that some characters in the game pronounce it as "All-Tha-Air". It depends on the character I think. Desmond seems to pronounce it more with "ear" in the back, while some Arabic characters, pronounce it with "air" in the end. Though I don't think Al Mualim does.

I say all-tie-ear but for some reason when I first played I called him Altail because of how I heard it pronounced but that's just me.

Just a suggestion but I feel this article is too jumbled up. Some one should break it up into introduction or background, assassin creed 1 plot, assassin creed: AC plot and relationship.

when does Altiar use a crossbow? [[User:FireWolf787|Fire]][[User talk:FireWolf787|Wolf]][[Special:Contributions/FireWolf787|(787)]] 05:07, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

He doesn't. I think him using it in the opening movie was probably cut content or just a conception.

What about the PC version. I haven't completed it and didn't see a crossbow either except in the introduction. So it's all a lie that you can use it in the director's cut?

Altair uses a crossbow in AC:AC (Altair's Chronicles)([[User:Da Firenze|Da Firenze]] 02:57, November 21, 2009 (UTC))

Why does it list the pronounciation with "tha?" At no point is it ever pronounced as a voiced dental fricative, and is always pronounced merey as a hard t. In AC, his name is always pronounced All-tie-ear, or All-ta-air, so the TH is misleading and should be changed.[[User:Thepaperclip|Thepaperclip]] 06:23, August 17, 2010 (UTC)
:I agree what you said about the 't' and I'll change that, but about the second part of his name. I still think most pronounce it as 'All-ta-ear'. or 'All-ta-air'. - [[User:Altaïr|Altaïr]] 12:46, August 17, 2010 (UTC)
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:People you don't see the first question, it's about the LAST NAME NOT FIRST NAME. It's i-bin La- A-had.
:Altair uses crossbow on the Mobile game and AC:Altair's Chronicles.Most likeley the opening scene is from the mobile since the first target in mobile was Sibrand and he was an executioner. [[User:MakinArceneau|MakinArceneau]] 14:11, May 13, 2011 (UTC)

== Fanwank alert! ==

Can someone purge the fanwank out of the page?It stinks of copypaste.[[User:Wikiastalker|Wikiastalker]] 20:16, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

== I Think... ==

i think that l4d (left 4 dead) used the model of altair for the hunter commonly found pouncing and clawing

Randomnutjob: There's a slight problem with that theory. Ubisoft didn't publish -or- develop L4D! Valve
published L4D, and Turtle Rock Studios developed it. Whereas Ubisoft Montreal developed AC1 and it was
released under the general Ubisoft label. A hoodie covering the face is an extremely generic version of
an even more generic 'disguise' (technically a face obscuring piece of apparel)

To be honest I thought that the Hunter's in L4D looked a bit more like Alex Mercer from Prototype than they do Altair. More evidence to convince me on this was that there are achievements for both games to kill a high-set number of infected, and the numbers for both achievements were very similar, and it would make some sense seeing as how both games (Prototype and L4D) were in developement around much the same time, I think. Not to mention that both games dealt with deadly viruses that infected people, although there's always controversy one way or another in the debate whether or not an infected corpse is really a zombie. [[User:Assassin-Rayne|Assassin-Rayne]] 09:36, March 10, 2010 (UTC)

== biography ==

A biography should be a story of a person's life, and in the biography section there are many facts that altair did not know at the time. Such as his master not telling him about the tenth, and the fact that he was being used in a genetic project to take over the world. I suggest that we take those out. Also, Altair's Chronicles is a prequel, it should go before AC1.

:If you think you can make this article better somehow, go ahead then! ^^ And I suggest you should create an account first =D - [[User:SilverSummoner|'''Silver''''''Summoner''']][[User talk:SilverSummoner|''TaLk'']] 15:47, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

::I noticed that there was nothing about Altair's deeds in [[Assassin's Creed: Altaïr's Chronicles]], so I added the section into his biography. Master Mold 14:49, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

:::After reading a bit furher, I noticed that the biography section is actually quite messed up... I think it should be eventually split into his actual deeds and story (biography) and into another section titled "Skills \ abilities". I might someday do it myself but not until I finish the game :) Master Mold 14:55, October 29, 2009 (UTC)
:Guys, maybe someone/someones could take the part that talks about Altaïr shadow and name and such and put it under a "behind the scenes" or trivia section? Also, what you think about adding a link to the targets he kills, either by a list or by adding in the biography section through the text per se? -- [[User:D. Cello|D. Cello]] 02:49, November 21, 2009 (UTC)
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:someone should expand about what happened in assassins creed bloodlines in Altair's Biography. [[User:AssassinCreedFreak122|AssassinCreedFreak122]] 11:44, May 7, 2011 (UTC)

== Stop vandalizing the page! ==
I just understood that recently someone deleted the info form the Bloodlines, Legacy and Altair's Chronicles sections... Whatta? I now agree that some information from the AC:AC section I put may be not enough... correct. But Bloodlines and Legacy... why deleting it? Thanks to Jasca Ducato, who returned everything back into its place. Master Mold 20:06, December 30, 2009 (UTC)

== Relationship with Maria Thorpe ==

It was not mentioned clearly if he married her, but it is confirmed from Assassin's Creed II that they were life partners and lovers. So I dismissed the title of wife and kept it neutral to life partner [[User:PassiveNeoluna|PassiveNeoluna]] 22:13, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

== SPOILER ALERT/possible inclusion of codex interpretation? ==
Codex page 30 clearly states Altair uses The Apple to gain eternal life, or at least intended to, I am very inclined to believe he is still alive in Desmond's time, and following this logic, Ezio is as well, though it seems substantially less likely, anyone else think AC3 is likely to see some huge family reunion of centuries of Assassins, Altair and his descendants? Probably insane, but who doesn't want to see Viddic impaled by Altair for misusing his legacy?
*Codex page 30 does ''not'' clearly say Al used the Apple for that purpose, it merely mentions him musing that possibility over. And it's not being included. '''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' [[User talk:Jasca Ducato|Council Chamber]] [[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato|Assassination record]] 10:29, March 16, 2010 (UTC)
*I agree with Jasca. All the pages are very vague about what Altaïr is talking about. One is more clear than the other, but the only thing you can do is assume based on what is written, but that doesn't make it fact. We can assume that Altaïr used the apple for getting eternal life, but it stays an assumption, so it can't be included. If there is more proof then I would be for the idea to put it in, but there are no other sources that support this theory so far. --[[User:Altaïr|Altaïr]] 11:35, March 16, 2010 (UTC)

*In page ELEVEN of the codex, Altair makes reference to the fact that Gods throught history have very similar backgrounds, and this line here caught my attention. ''"Perhaps it isn't... Merely a single story told over the ages? Borrowed then changed to fit the times? Evolving as our tools and language do? Is this tale born of fact or fiction? A bit of both? '''Could these figures be the same person - their life extended and transformed by a Piece of Eden?'''"'' Perhaps this is what Altair is contemplating in the last page. Also did anyone else notice that Altair, Ezio, AND Desmond have the same scar across their lips? Anyways, food for thought! ~Justin

*Even though every other character in Assassin's Creed had a voice befitting their nationality and the time period, Altair had an American accent, this was done intentionally by Ubisoft although they didn't give a reason for it. Maybe it was done so that Altair would fit into Modern Times somehow? [[User:RussellSparrow|RussellSparrow]] 10:18, October 16, 2010 (UTC)
*In ACI Lucy justifies Altair having an American accent and speaking in new English by telling Desmond that it is so he would be able to understand it. She says that if they just had the Animus translate it word for word it would not make sense to Desmond. Then Ezio can be justified to have an Italian accent and speaking in Italian at points because Desmond is in a different Animus, which Rebecca says has a glitchy translator. -Juno57

== Profile Pic ==

PLEASE leave it as it is i like this pic better as we can actually see a good pic with his face--[[User:RexGodwin|RexGodwin]] 01:18, March 10, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, but I'll talk to this with DCello for your picture to be placed, before you change it. This is an important article, so important changes should be discussed first. --[[User:Altaïr|Altaïr]] March 10, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with Altair, the picture you suggested, Rex, diminishes the quality of the article. The other looks more professional as it is a HD promo shot - [[User: Maria Thorpe|Maria Thorpe]] Mar 10 2010 (UTC)

i have no idea what your talking abut, this pic has quite good quality, and the ither one is a crappy small picture where most of his face is obscured i don't see whats so great about full-body shots especially if they suck :P

Well another reason to keep the full body-shot is, because Ezio's profile, also uses a full body-shot very similar to Altaïr's profile. That makes the articles more identical in shape. --[[User:Altaïr|Altaïr]] March 10, 2010 (UTC)

:Mind your place, padawan. This is a community, your opinion that the other is crappy and yours is perfect is yours alone. Your picture has bad frame, bad lightining, and I belive it's Altair's skin from AC2. The other is AC official, better defined and two members already expressed their agreement for the original image to remain, between other reasons. It follows unchanged. -- [[User:D. Cello|D. Cello]] 23:04, March 10, 2010 (UTC)
::Until there is an good quality pic of Altaïr's face available, I think the current should remain; the same goes for Ezio's article. However, as soon as a good quality facial image is available, I do feel that that should take precedence over the full body pic; that can be reloacted elsewhere within the article. '''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' [[User talk:Jasca Ducato|Council Chamber]] [[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato|Assassination record]] 13:02, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

:I like the full body pics, the clothes in Assassin's are just as important as the character themselves. They are a character of their own, with a set of movements, style and purpose. -- [[User:D. Cello|D. Cello]] 18:30, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

== Left--handed ==

This has been driving me crazy for a while. Did anyone else notice that Altair is left-handed? He wears his hidden blade on his left hand and the control scheme in the game has you press the left button on your controller (Square on PS3, X on 360) to attack and the right button (Circle on PS3, B on 360) to grab. [[Special:Contributions/174.112.183.209|174.112.183.209]] 02:51, April 13, 2010 (UTC)
*Altaïr is right-handed. Despite that the hidden blade is attached to his left hand, he uses his sword and other weapons with his right hand. You can even see pictures of this in his profile. [[Altaïr]] 06:00, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
*Makes sense. What if he's ambidextrous, though? I've seen him throw throwing knives with his left hand. [[Special:Contributions/174.112.183.209|174.112.183.209]] 19:32, April 15, 2010 (UTC)
*That's more likely, which would also explain why he uses the hidden blade with his left-hand. Though the reason why he uses his left hand for the hidden blade, could also be, so that he's not handicapped to use his sword, because of his missing finger -- [[Altaïr]] 21:44, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
*Sorry that this is non-related, but is ASSASSIN'S CREED (the first one) on PS2?
*No it has only been released for the X-Box 360, PS3 and PC. -- [[Altaïr]] 12:39, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

== His parents ==

Um where was it mentioned in any of the games that his mother was Christian and his father was Muslim? I only know it said in the first game guide that he was ethnically ambiguous. [[User:PassiveNeoluna|PassiveNeoluna]] 19:18, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
:I did read it on a lot of places, forums even on IMDB. And in the gameguide it adds after ethnically ambiguous 'mix of European and Arabian'. Upon further research I saw that Jade Raymond, creative producer of Assassin's Creed, revealed this during an interview at the Ubidays 2007 -- [[Altaïr]] 21:28, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
Thank for clarifing this Cedric. [[User:PassiveNeoluna|PassiveNeoluna]] 19:50, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

==Unlockable Costume==
Yeah, it's not an altair costume that becomes unlockable in Prince of Persia. It's actually an Ezio costume so can it be removed please?
*Erm, no. It ''is'' Altair's costume in PoP. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' [[User talk:Jasca Ducato|Council Chamber]] [[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato|Assassination record]] 16:50, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
*I'm pretty sure he (or she, whatever) meant PoP: The Forgotten Sands. Altair's costume was present in the 2008 PoP, while Ezio's in the new one [[User:War Clown|War Clown]] 11:52, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

== The I in Altair ==

Is it really that important to use that special character I (sorry, don't know how to type it in :D) in Altair's name? Because, I'll be laying out more of the storyline, and I need to know if the special I is really important [[User:War Clown|War Clown]] 11:54, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Hold the Alt key and type 0239, and I guess his name with the special I is how his name would be type if it was translated in English. Add the ï just in case. [[User:PassiveNeoluna|a Lunatic]] 18:41, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Another solution is just to copy-paste it. That's what I sometimes do. But indeed it is important. I had to correct dozens of articles with the incorrect namespelling. -- [[User:Altaïr|Altaïr]] 21:06, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Ok then. I'll fix all the "Altair/s" I typed in so far :D [[User:War Clown|War Clown]] 10:01, June 25, 2010 (UTC)
*Yes, it is important. His name is Altaïr, not Altair. It doesn't matter so much on talk pages, but in-article it does. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' [[User talk:Jasca Ducato|Council Chamber]] [[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato|Assassination record]] 11:49, June 25, 2010 (UTC)
*Yes, I know. I just fixed all of Altaïr's I/s in one of the timeline pages (eyes hurt XD). I should make a note not to type in his name more and start referencing him as "assassin", or "the assassin" more often :D [[User:War Clown|War Clown]] 11:58, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

== What is he saying? ==

Sometimes, when you stab a guard before the others realize you are a threat when saving a citizen, Altaïr will respond (to the guards telling him to go away) with something in Arabic. It is usually after this that they start fighting him. Having no knowledge of Arabic phonetics relative to English, I'll try to transliterate this as best I can..

'anarislic/g' (confused on the last character. Could be either a c or a g. He makes it sound almost like a threat.), 'wayhaf', 'noha alay(alain?)' If in doubt, save some citizens and you should be able to pick out what I'm talking about. Hard to render this in text, honestly. [[Special:Contributions/173.50.240.35|173.50.240.35]] 07:22, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

== Faith ==

Is Altair christian something else ?

[[Special:Contributions/79.101.91.187|79.101.91.187]] 18:23, August 19, 2010 (UTC
:He's certainly no Christian. I wouldn't say he's an atheist, but he doesn't believe in any God I think. I think the official game guide just described him as a spiritual person. -- [[user:Altaïr|Altaïr]] 20:29, August 19, 2010 (UTC)
:Altaïr was likely a Muslim, if a member of any denomination, for the duration of the game, having been raised in Muslim lands and being born to a Muslim father. There is a solid chance that he was not Muslim, however, as certain pages from the Codex contain passages suggesting that he was at odds with many beliefs central to the Muslim tradition at the time. One such passage has him mentioning that he became enraged and clenched his fists in anger after seeing a man treating his wife as if she was inferior to him, a belief held by most Muslims during that time period. Also, since his mother was Christian, he might have been at a religious and spiritual crossroads at the time of the game, torn, as he was, between two faiths. If he wasn't atheist before it, he was almost certainly atheist at the end of the game when Al Mualim revealed to him that every miraculous and/or supernatural event in history was caused by the Pieces of Eden. We learn in Assassin's Creed II, at the end of the last mission, in the Vault underneath the Vatican, in Minerva's message to Desmond, that all god-worshipping religions arose from early humans' misunderstandings of the race that created the Pieces of Eden, so it is quite possible that this information was also relayed to Altaïr by the Apple, although we don't know for sure. [[User:EEA|EEA]] 01:01, October 10, 2010 (UTC)
::In any case he ended up not being a person to believe in God as he clearly stated there's no heaven or hell in the codex. Like I said previously he was described to be a spiritual person and there's no evidence that he was religious of the sort. --[[user:Altaïr|Altaïr]] 01:06, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

== Arabic pronunciation ==

I'd like to make a suggestion as to changing the article's explanation of the Arabic pronunciation of his name. A direct transliteration of the Arabic characters in his name gives the spelling "Al-Ta'ir", (there is a stop between the a and i). I understand this is what is used in the game. However Arabic has what are called "sun and moon" letters (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_and_moon_letters), and the emphatic "Ta" (the T used in Altair's name) is a "sun" letter. This means that the L in Altair's name would not be pronounced by an Arabic speaker. Therefore, the correct Arabic pronunciation of Altair's name in Arabic would be "At-ta'ir.

:Malik A-Sayf is also an instance of the sun and moon letters. That's why it isn't "Malik Al-Sayf", because S is also a sun letter.
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:Also, people pronounce the T incorrectly. It's actually heavier than that. It should be pronounced as the ط in this video: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kh-H7TtAf2k&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kh-H7TtAf2k&feature=related] .

== Name ==

Where does the version "Altaïr Ibn-La'Ahad" come from? In the game manual it says "Altaïr Ibn La-Ahad". -- [[User:Master Sima Yi|Master Sima Yi]] 22:19, October 24, 2010 (UTC)
:I know this is an extremly belated response, but whilst the game manual does indeed spell it "Ibn La-Ahad", in the introductory video for ''Brotherhood'' it is spelt "Ibn-La'Ahad", which IMO should take preference. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' [[User talk:Jasca Ducato|Council Chamber]] [[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato|Assassination record]] 14:27, November 25, 2010 (UTC)
::I know, I saw it as well. We'll just leave it as it is. -- [[User:Master Sima Yi|Master Sima Yi]] 14:28, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

== The name translation is vandalized ==

"'''Altaïr Ibn-La'Ahad''' ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic Arabic]: الطائر ابن لا أحد) (born 1165) was an[http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Assassin Assassin] living during the [http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Third_Crusade Third Crusade]..."

The Arabic translation above reads as "I am not a bird". The actual translation is:

نسر الاحد لوسانجليس لابن

:Dont use translation websites they are actually WRONG. better learn how to write arabic or ask an arabian! [[User:MakinArceneau|MakinArceneau]] 14:28, May 13, 2011 (UTC)

:: Haha, well, thanks for notifying us! Next time you see an error like this feel free to edit without asking here, I would fix this myself right now, but my browser is stuffing up ATM. Thanks, --[[User:ThiefAC|'''THIEF ''']] 06:34, November 11, 2010 (UTC)
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:: Dude the guy who wrote the new translation is wrong. Do you know what he just said? He said: Eagle the one los angeles for son.
::Yeah, I ran the "actual translation" through [http://www.arabicenglishdictionary.org/ this site], and it came up with "Eagle Sunday to Osangeles Ibn". '''[[User:Ozzyjalo94|OZ]][[User talk:Ozzyjalo94|ZY]]''' 14:07, December 8, 2010 (UTC)
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Isnt this (النسر الابن بلا) the true translation?[[User:Einsteinium99|Einsteinium99]] 18:28, June 24, 2011 (UTC)

I'm a native Arab and the direct translation, without using any online dictionary, is:

الطائر إبن لا أحد
Altaïr - الطائر: an Adjective to a person who flies: literally The Flyer.

Verb Past tense: Flew: طار

Verb Present tense: Fly: يطير

Ibn- is literally: son of: إبن

La'Ahad: actually two words

La: No:لا

Ahad: one or body أحد

So if you want a direct meaningfull transliteration of the name in english you would say:

"The Flyer son of no-body." also "The Flyer son of no-one" or A-Tta'er Ibn la Ahad.

Yes, the Arabic letter ط is a sun letter and the L in AL (used as a definitive article similar to 'the' in English ane Le in French) would not be pronounced

[[User:Mkrbu50|Mkrbu50]] 13:06, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

For someone who is a native Arab, your Arabic is a little off. Yes, ط is solar so the ل in front takes the same sound, so it should be "at" and not "al". Next the ط is a harder sounding "T" that is produced from the back of the throat as opposed to the ت which is a lighter sounding "T" that is produced with the tip of the tongue and the top of the mouth.

Next, while yes, at-Ta'ir can be defined as "the flyer", I have never heard it described that way in MSA, or in Levantine, Egyptian, or Iraqi dialects. It also can be used to say aviator, omen, or presage, BUT its common use in any Arabic Dialect and MSA is "the bird". And الطيار at-Tiiar is commonly used for "the flyer" as well as the aviator and the pilot. This is just a good case of an English speaker wanting a cool sounding Arabic name for the game and failing miserably to really understand the language. As with most 3-letter roots, adding the alif (ا) between the 2nd and 3rd diacritic is about the english equivalent of adding -er to english words.

next, ibn la-ahad is just horrible in itself. Arabic is a descriptive language, unlike English (which uses a lot of shortcuts and inferred meanings). ibn does mean son, but is mostly used like "hal hua ibn kareem" (is that Kareem's son). When used as a title (such as a name), bin (same root) is used more frequently (bad example, but a well known one-- bin Ladin).

la ahad is used as a pronoun for no-one, but because arabic is a descriptive language, it is used as a subject and therefore must have a verb. In English, we understand that "one" means a person, but you have to be descriptive in Arabic, so it would be better to say something along the lines of "lesa bin shakhs" or "lesa bin rajal", especially since la (لا) is primarily used on verbs as an answer, and lesa (ليس) is used for nouns and everything else.

Oh, and for your last comment about the L in AL not being pronounced, I said before it takes the sound of the TOH (ط), so, in a way, it is pronounced, but more so like putting a shadda over the TOH.

Reference: I do Arabic for a living, and talk daily to native Arabic speakers of all dialects

[[Special:Contributions/74.123.249.235|74.123.249.235]] 02:09, September 3, 2011 (UTC) ضياء

== Altair/Desmond's Face ==

'''If you have not noticed already, Altair's face is EXACTLY similar to Desmond's. I was just wondering if that would be the result of their ancestory or just Ubisoft's deadline/laziness? It's always stuck me so, including the fact that Ezio has some, but not all features. - E. Cain'''

:It is meant to personify (literally) the fact that they are direct ancestors. That and, yes, I don't see Ubisoft wasting their time creating a model of a ''similar-looking'' ancestor, when they could just make them the same, and sti;ll retain the same effect of them being related. --[[User:Piratehunter|'''''P''''''''''i''''''''''r''''''''''a''''''''''t''''''''''e''''''''''h''''''''''u''''''''''n''''''''''t''''''''''e''''''''''r''''']] ([[User talk:Piratehunter|Talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/Piratehunter|Contribs]]) 16:40, January 17, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah kind of true!

== Is the story of Ezio over after assassins creed brotherhood? ==

Ezio is my favorite main character in the series and i really want them to continue a story with him. However, i have relized there is much to go with. Does any one know what happens to Ezio after he is last seen killing Ceasere in the game?
:What has this got to do with Altaïr? --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' [[User talk:Jasca Ducato|Council Chamber]] [[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato|Assassination record]] 04:35, February 6, 2011 (UTC)
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:No it isn't, he's still the main character in Revelations. Also, Altair is almost certain to be in Revelations as well, flashback or not. The trailer meant something. [[User:Jackass2009|Jackass2009]] 23:09, May 5, 2011 (UTC)

== The Hiding Short Blade in the Intro ==

People thought that the short blade was replaced by the Crossbow in the Introduction Movie in Assassin's Creed. Well, actually Altair's short blade was hiding in the large,brown, belt-like armor in the assassin's abdomen. Notice that when Altair was stripped of his possessions and rank, this brown belt became a little smaller. But when he was a master assassin, this thing was bigger, it shows that it had two pieces, when combined, made a small gap between them. That's where Altair put his short blade. Try searching in Youtube or play the Intro once more.

== 92-years Altair ? ==

Where did that bit of information about a 92 years-old Altair mettin with Niccolo and Maffeo Polo ?
:You see that little number that comes ''directly after'' that piece of information… if you click it, it tells you where the information came from. Sign your posts. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' [[User talk:Jasca Ducato|Council Chamber]] [[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato|Assassination record]] 02:55, June 18, 2011 (UTC)

== Altaïr's name ==

We all know his first name is Altaïr but do we consider Ibn-La'Ahad his complete last name ? I know it's a stupid question but I didn't know how to put it in an article.. [[User:Killeras|Killeras]] 15:50, June 19, 2011 (UTC)

:Yes, we do. It's stated on various occassions, like the introductory video of ''Bloodlines''. Don't think we would have fan fiction here and we wouldn't do anything about it, especially on such an important article. -- [[User:Master Sima Yi|Master Sima Yi]] 20:34, June 19, 2011 (UTC)

== Sub 16 ==

If Altair is an ancestor of Ezio and Ezio is an ancestor of Sub 16, isn't Altair an ancestor of Sub 16 as well ?[[User:Killeras|Killeras]] 22:05, June 19, 2011 (UTC)

Nevermind it seems like someone already edited it.
:Yes, he is (and why it was removed from the article, I don't know) but not for the reasons you state. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' [[User talk:Jasca Ducato|Council Chamber]] [[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato|Assassination record]] 07:51, June 20, 2011 (UTC)

::I deleted it because it should go under the "Legacy" section. It isn't important enough to be in the introduction, since Subject 16 isn't an important character in the entire AC universe overall. -- [[User:Master Sima Yi|Master Sima Yi]] 08:19, June 20, 2011 (UTC)
:::Sorry Sima, but I fail to see how you can possibly believe 16 ''isn't'' important… also, every other individual with important relations has those relations mentioned in their introduction, it's practically part of our MoS. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' [[User talk:Jasca Ducato|Council Chamber]] [[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato|Assassination record]] 18:39, June 20, 2011 (UTC)

::::If you take a look at the overall AC universe, from the prehistory to the 21th century, Subject 16 hasn't done anything of any real relevance. And the other articles may have it, but I don't see any point in it. The introduction is to sum up the article, and his descendants have very little mentions in the Legacy section. I fail to see how it improves the article. And you're causing me an edit conflict. -- [[User:Master Sima Yi|Master Sima Yi]] 18:42, June 20, 2011 (UTC)

== Arabic words are incorrect ==

I would like to point out that the current arabic translation of "Altaïr Ibn-La'Ahad" ; الطائر ِإبن لا أحد , is not the correct translation of his name. i checked in Google Translate and it translates to: "Bird's son is not a". The correct translation of "Altaïr Ibn-La Ahad" is : نسر بن لوس انجليس الاحد which is the most accurate translation in Arabic. thanks for hearing this out :D [[User:Droideka93|Droideka93]] 23:29, June 20, 2011 (UTC)[[User:Droideka93|Droideka93]]
:Yes, because Google Translate is reliable… --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' [[User talk:Jasca Ducato|Council Chamber]] [[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato|Assassination record]] 23:30, June 20, 2011 (UTC)
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:نسر بن لوس انجليس الاحد --- that translation means "an eagle of Sunday's Los Angeles' son". Please don't use google translate, it is horrible when stringing words together, and I have no idea where it got los angeles from (لوس انجليس). But yeah, I agree that Al-Ta'ir ibn-La Ahad is a horrible name with very bad wording and poor arabic grammar. Kudos for the designer to try to make something sound Arabic, shame for him not consulting a true Arabic source.
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:First, it's at-Ta'ir not Altaïr. The TOH ط is a solar letter therefor the LAM ل before it takes the exact same sound, and not the sound of an L. Next there is a seated Hamza ئ after the alif ا which takes the sound of a glottal stop (or a quick stop in sound before moving on to the next sound). So, TA'IR or TA IR, not TAIR.
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:Plus, Nisr نسر means Eagle, and ta'ir طائر means Bird.
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:ibn La Ahad makes no grammatical sense in Arabic, whereas it would in English.
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:BTW, I speak Arabic for a living, and do not use google translate
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: [[Special:Contributions/74.123.249.235|74.123.249.235]] 21:47, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

== New info ==

What happened to the Assassins after Altair fled Masyaf? Was Abbas the new Grand Master of the Assassin Order? If so we should add this to Grand Master page. Also do we know anything of Altair after fleeing the castle?
:If we knew, it would be in the article, wouldn't it? The book has only just come out, give us sometime to actually read it before we update the articles. Sign your posts. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' [[User talk:Jasca Ducato|Council Chamber]] [[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato|Assassination record]] 18:15, June 24, 2011 (UTC)

:Wait, the book is out??? I thought it is only out on the 27th or 28th of June? So, all these new information is from the book? [[User:Trainkun2313|Trainkun2313]] 18:31, June 24, 2011 (UTC)Trainkun2313

== Altair's Voice ==

So i was replaying Assassin's Creed and after sequence 2 if you talk to Lucy she explains how the animus refines the language in the memories are "modern day english" so it came to me that this is why Altair's voice is so American....[[User:Moviesman23|Moviesman23]] 05:17, June 26, 2011 (UTC)

== Grand Master ==

Can we assume that after Altair died, his son Darim became the next Grand Master? I don't really remember how the Grand Master was chosen after the previous one died. [[User:Killeras|Killeras]] 11:06, June 26, 2011 (UTC)
:You can assume all you want, that doesn't mean you're allowed to add any assumptions nor speculation to the articles, 'tis against the rules, aye? :P -- [[User:Assassin-Rayne|'''Rayne''']] [[User_Talk:Assassin-Rayne|Message]] 11:12, June 26, 2011 (UTC)
: I didn't do anything, I was just curios and don't worry I've been a long time reader before finaly making an account and deciding to help out, so I know most of the rules :P [[User:Killeras|Killeras]] 11:30, June 26, 2011 (UTC)
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== Later life ==

Where did you get the data on his late life? Project Legacy?

[[Special:Contributions/93.103.123.191|93.103.123.191]] 13:26, June 28, 2011 (UTC)

:Yeah, I source it for nothing. It is from ''[[Assassin's Creed: The Secret Crusade]]''. -- [[User:Master Sima Yi|Master Sima Yi]] 13:28, June 28, 2011 (UTC)
::Yeah Sima, what the hell are you sourcing it for? --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' [[User talk:Jasca Ducato|Council Chamber]] [[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato|Assassination record]] 13:36, June 28, 2011 (UTC)
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::I was thinking about how Altair would have died I think it was From the Mongols. Its eating at me because he is my favouite Assassin.I like to care about myself only. 03:48, August 12, 2011 (UTC)

==Birthday==
In wich source they say that Altaïr was born the January 11? Excuse my english.--[[User:Darth envidious|Darth envidious]] 21:17, July 6, 2011 (UTC)

Wherever is it from, its not from the Secret Crusade book.--[[User:Bogdan stretePS3|Bogdan stretePS3]] 21:32, July 6, 2011 (UTC) 00:28, July 7, 2011 (ET)
:One of the Revelations teaser images that was previously on facebook. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' [[User talk:Jasca Ducato|Council Chamber]] [[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato|Assassination record]] 14:40, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

== Altair and Ezio aren't related. ==

According to the lead writer of Revelations, Darby McDevitt, While Altair and Ezio are both Desmond's Ancestors, Ezio is NOT a decendant of Altair.

This just means that one side of his family had Altair's DNA, and the other had Ezio's, which, considering that he was born into the brotherhood and all, is definately plasible.

Here's the link if anyone else wants to read up on it; I suspect there will be a bit of editing to do now.

http://kotaku.com/5823431/what-i-thought-i-knew-about-assassins-creed-revelations-was-partially-wrong

[[Special:Contributions/174.57.237.158|174.57.237.158]] 21:21, July 22, 2011 (UTC)
==Altair's age==
:We're gonna need a bit more verification before we make a major change like that. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' [[User talk:Jasca Ducato|Council Chamber]] [[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato|Assassination record]] 14:36, July 23, 2011 (UTC)
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In this Interview [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgTvEMgvPeE]] the creative director of AC revelations says that Altair lived a very long life making it into his ninties or somehwere along that line. I just thought that should be added to his profile.[[User:Awale-Abdi|Awale-Abdi]] 16:28, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

:Well in the article, you can see that his biography goes up till 1257 which is in his 90's. [[User:Subject 12|'''Subject 12''']] [[User Talk:Subject 12|Talk to me]] 16:37, July 25, 2011 (UTC)
:Oh thanks for pointing that out and sorry for wasting time on this...[[User:Awale-Abdi|Awale-Abdi]] 18:58, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

According to ''Some'' sources, his age of death was 99...or at least it was the last age ever mentioned anywhere...
[[User:Falco Luce del Sud-Est|Falco Luce]] 09:42, August 28, 2011 (UTC)

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Desmond also has a scar on his mouth. Look closer.

== Pronunciation ==

How do you pronounce his LAST name?

It's pronounced (la-ah-ha-d)

How do you pronounce his name?-- 02:39, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

It is pronounced like "all-tie-ear".

Isn't it pronounced as "All-tha-ear"? It has even come to my attention that some characters in the game pronounce it as "All-Tha-Air". It depends on the character I think. Desmond seems to pronounce it more with "ear" in the back, while some Arabic characters, pronounce it with "air" in the end. Though I don't think Al Mualim does.

I say all-tie-ear but for some reason when I first played I called him Altail because of how I heard it pronounced but that's just me.

Just a suggestion but I feel this article is too jumbled up. Some one should break it up into introduction or background, assassin creed 1 plot, assassin creed: AC plot and relationship.

when does Altiar use a crossbow? [[User:FireWolf787|Fire]][[User talk:FireWolf787|Wolf]][[Special:Contributions/FireWolf787|(787)]] 05:07, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

He doesn't. I think him using it in the opening movie was probably cut content or just a conception.

What about the PC version. I haven't completed it and didn't see a crossbow either except in the introduction. So it's all a lie that you can use it in the director's cut?

Altair uses a crossbow in AC:AC (Altair's Chronicles)([[User:Da Firenze|Da Firenze]] 02:57, November 21, 2009 (UTC))

Why does it list the pronounciation with "tha?" At no point is it ever pronounced as a voiced dental fricative, and is always pronounced merey as a hard t. In AC, his name is always pronounced All-tie-ear, or All-ta-air, so the TH is misleading and should be changed.[[User:Thepaperclip|Thepaperclip]] 06:23, August 17, 2010 (UTC)
:I agree what you said about the 't' and I'll change that, but about the second part of his name. I still think most pronounce it as 'All-ta-ear'. or 'All-ta-air'. - [[User:Altaïr|Altaïr]] 12:46, August 17, 2010 (UTC)
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:People you don't see the first question, it's about the LAST NAME NOT FIRST NAME. It's i-bin La- A-had.
:Altair uses crossbow on the Mobile game and AC:Altair's Chronicles.Most likeley the opening scene is from the mobile since the first target in mobile was Sibrand and he was an executioner. [[User:MakinArceneau|MakinArceneau]] 14:11, May 13, 2011 (UTC)

== Fanwank alert! ==

Can someone purge the fanwank out of the page?It stinks of copypaste.[[User:Wikiastalker|Wikiastalker]] 20:16, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

== I Think... ==

i think that l4d (left 4 dead) used the model of altair for the hunter commonly found pouncing and clawing

Randomnutjob: There's a slight problem with that theory. Ubisoft didn't publish -or- develop L4D! Valve
published L4D, and Turtle Rock Studios developed it. Whereas Ubisoft Montreal developed AC1 and it was
released under the general Ubisoft label. A hoodie covering the face is an extremely generic version of
an even more generic 'disguise' (technically a face obscuring piece of apparel)

To be honest I thought that the Hunter's in L4D looked a bit more like Alex Mercer from Prototype than they do Altair. More evidence to convince me on this was that there are achievements for both games to kill a high-set number of infected, and the numbers for both achievements were very similar, and it would make some sense seeing as how both games (Prototype and L4D) were in developement around much the same time, I think. Not to mention that both games dealt with deadly viruses that infected people, although there's always controversy one way or another in the debate whether or not an infected corpse is really a zombie. [[User:Assassin-Rayne|Assassin-Rayne]] 09:36, March 10, 2010 (UTC)

== biography ==

A biography should be a story of a person's life, and in the biography section there are many facts that altair did not know at the time. Such as his master not telling him about the tenth, and the fact that he was being used in a genetic project to take over the world. I suggest that we take those out. Also, Altair's Chronicles is a prequel, it should go before AC1.

:If you think you can make this article better somehow, go ahead then! ^^ And I suggest you should create an account first =D - [[User:SilverSummoner|'''Silver''''''Summoner''']][[User talk:SilverSummoner|''TaLk'']] 15:47, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

::I noticed that there was nothing about Altair's deeds in [[Assassin's Creed: Altaïr's Chronicles]], so I added the section into his biography. Master Mold 14:49, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

:::After reading a bit furher, I noticed that the biography section is actually quite messed up... I think it should be eventually split into his actual deeds and story (biography) and into another section titled "Skills \ abilities". I might someday do it myself but not until I finish the game :) Master Mold 14:55, October 29, 2009 (UTC)
:Guys, maybe someone/someones could take the part that talks about Altaïr shadow and name and such and put it under a "behind the scenes" or trivia section? Also, what you think about adding a link to the targets he kills, either by a list or by adding in the biography section through the text per se? -- [[User:D. Cello|D. Cello]] 02:49, November 21, 2009 (UTC)
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:someone should expand about what happened in assassins creed bloodlines in Altair's Biography. [[User:AssassinCreedFreak122|AssassinCreedFreak122]] 11:44, May 7, 2011 (UTC)

== Stop vandalizing the page! ==
I just understood that recently someone deleted the info form the Bloodlines, Legacy and Altair's Chronicles sections... Whatta? I now agree that some information from the AC:AC section I put may be not enough... correct. But Bloodlines and Legacy... why deleting it? Thanks to Jasca Ducato, who returned everything back into its place. Master Mold 20:06, December 30, 2009 (UTC)

== Relationship with Maria Thorpe ==

It was not mentioned clearly if he married her, but it is confirmed from Assassin's Creed II that they were life partners and lovers. So I dismissed the title of wife and kept it neutral to life partner [[User:PassiveNeoluna|PassiveNeoluna]] 22:13, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

== SPOILER ALERT/possible inclusion of codex interpretation? ==
Codex page 30 clearly states Altair uses The Apple to gain eternal life, or at least intended to, I am very inclined to believe he is still alive in Desmond's time, and following this logic, Ezio is as well, though it seems substantially less likely, anyone else think AC3 is likely to see some huge family reunion of centuries of Assassins, Altair and his descendants? Probably insane, but who doesn't want to see Viddic impaled by Altair for misusing his legacy?
*Codex page 30 does ''not'' clearly say Al used the Apple for that purpose, it merely mentions him musing that possibility over. And it's not being included. '''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' [[User talk:Jasca Ducato|Council Chamber]] [[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato|Assassination record]] 10:29, March 16, 2010 (UTC)
*I agree with Jasca. All the pages are very vague about what Altaïr is talking about. One is more clear than the other, but the only thing you can do is assume based on what is written, but that doesn't make it fact. We can assume that Altaïr used the apple for getting eternal life, but it stays an assumption, so it can't be included. If there is more proof then I would be for the idea to put it in, but there are no other sources that support this theory so far. --[[User:Altaïr|Altaïr]] 11:35, March 16, 2010 (UTC)

*In page ELEVEN of the codex, Altair makes reference to the fact that Gods throught history have very similar backgrounds, and this line here caught my attention. ''"Perhaps it isn't... Merely a single story told over the ages? Borrowed then changed to fit the times? Evolving as our tools and language do? Is this tale born of fact or fiction? A bit of both? '''Could these figures be the same person - their life extended and transformed by a Piece of Eden?'''"'' Perhaps this is what Altair is contemplating in the last page. Also did anyone else notice that Altair, Ezio, AND Desmond have the same scar across their lips? Anyways, food for thought! ~Justin

*Even though every other character in Assassin's Creed had a voice befitting their nationality and the time period, Altair had an American accent, this was done intentionally by Ubisoft although they didn't give a reason for it. Maybe it was done so that Altair would fit into Modern Times somehow? [[User:RussellSparrow|RussellSparrow]] 10:18, October 16, 2010 (UTC)
*In ACI Lucy justifies Altair having an American accent and speaking in new English by telling Desmond that it is so he would be able to understand it. She says that if they just had the Animus translate it word for word it would not make sense to Desmond. Then Ezio can be justified to have an Italian accent and speaking in Italian at points because Desmond is in a different Animus, which Rebecca says has a glitchy translator. -Juno57

== Profile Pic ==

PLEASE leave it as it is i like this pic better as we can actually see a good pic with his face--[[User:RexGodwin|RexGodwin]] 01:18, March 10, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, but I'll talk to this with DCello for your picture to be placed, before you change it. This is an important article, so important changes should be discussed first. --[[User:Altaïr|Altaïr]] March 10, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with Altair, the picture you suggested, Rex, diminishes the quality of the article. The other looks more professional as it is a HD promo shot - [[User: Maria Thorpe|Maria Thorpe]] Mar 10 2010 (UTC)

i have no idea what your talking abut, this pic has quite good quality, and the ither one is a crappy small picture where most of his face is obscured i don't see whats so great about full-body shots especially if they suck :P

Well another reason to keep the full body-shot is, because Ezio's profile, also uses a full body-shot very similar to Altaïr's profile. That makes the articles more identical in shape. --[[User:Altaïr|Altaïr]] March 10, 2010 (UTC)

:Mind your place, padawan. This is a community, your opinion that the other is crappy and yours is perfect is yours alone. Your picture has bad frame, bad lightining, and I belive it's Altair's skin from AC2. The other is AC official, better defined and two members already expressed their agreement for the original image to remain, between other reasons. It follows unchanged. -- [[User:D. Cello|D. Cello]] 23:04, March 10, 2010 (UTC)
::Until there is an good quality pic of Altaïr's face available, I think the current should remain; the same goes for Ezio's article. However, as soon as a good quality facial image is available, I do feel that that should take precedence over the full body pic; that can be reloacted elsewhere within the article. '''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' [[User talk:Jasca Ducato|Council Chamber]] [[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato|Assassination record]] 13:02, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

:I like the full body pics, the clothes in Assassin's are just as important as the character themselves. They are a character of their own, with a set of movements, style and purpose. -- [[User:D. Cello|D. Cello]] 18:30, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

== Left--handed ==

This has been driving me crazy for a while. Did anyone else notice that Altair is left-handed? He wears his hidden blade on his left hand and the control scheme in the game has you press the left button on your controller (Square on PS3, X on 360) to attack and the right button (Circle on PS3, B on 360) to grab. [[Special:Contributions/174.112.183.209|174.112.183.209]] 02:51, April 13, 2010 (UTC)
*Altaïr is right-handed. Despite that the hidden blade is attached to his left hand, he uses his sword and other weapons with his right hand. You can even see pictures of this in his profile. [[Altaïr]] 06:00, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
*Makes sense. What if he's ambidextrous, though? I've seen him throw throwing knives with his left hand. [[Special:Contributions/174.112.183.209|174.112.183.209]] 19:32, April 15, 2010 (UTC)
*That's more likely, which would also explain why he uses the hidden blade with his left-hand. Though the reason why he uses his left hand for the hidden blade, could also be, so that he's not handicapped to use his sword, because of his missing finger -- [[Altaïr]] 21:44, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
*Sorry that this is non-related, but is ASSASSIN'S CREED (the first one) on PS2?
*No it has only been released for the X-Box 360, PS3 and PC. -- [[Altaïr]] 12:39, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

== His parents ==

Um where was it mentioned in any of the games that his mother was Christian and his father was Muslim? I only know it said in the first game guide that he was ethnically ambiguous. [[User:PassiveNeoluna|PassiveNeoluna]] 19:18, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
:I did read it on a lot of places, forums even on IMDB. And in the gameguide it adds after ethnically ambiguous 'mix of European and Arabian'. Upon further research I saw that Jade Raymond, creative producer of Assassin's Creed, revealed this during an interview at the Ubidays 2007 -- [[Altaïr]] 21:28, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
Thank for clarifing this Cedric. [[User:PassiveNeoluna|PassiveNeoluna]] 19:50, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

==Unlockable Costume==
Yeah, it's not an altair costume that becomes unlockable in Prince of Persia. It's actually an Ezio costume so can it be removed please?
*Erm, no. It ''is'' Altair's costume in PoP. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' [[User talk:Jasca Ducato|Council Chamber]] [[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato|Assassination record]] 16:50, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
*I'm pretty sure he (or she, whatever) meant PoP: The Forgotten Sands. Altair's costume was present in the 2008 PoP, while Ezio's in the new one [[User:War Clown|War Clown]] 11:52, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

== The I in Altair ==

Is it really that important to use that special character I (sorry, don't know how to type it in :D) in Altair's name? Because, I'll be laying out more of the storyline, and I need to know if the special I is really important [[User:War Clown|War Clown]] 11:54, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Hold the Alt key and type 0239, and I guess his name with the special I is how his name would be type if it was translated in English. Add the ï just in case. [[User:PassiveNeoluna|a Lunatic]] 18:41, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Another solution is just to copy-paste it. That's what I sometimes do. But indeed it is important. I had to correct dozens of articles with the incorrect namespelling. -- [[User:Altaïr|Altaïr]] 21:06, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Ok then. I'll fix all the "Altair/s" I typed in so far :D [[User:War Clown|War Clown]] 10:01, June 25, 2010 (UTC)
*Yes, it is important. His name is Altaïr, not Altair. It doesn't matter so much on talk pages, but in-article it does. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' [[User talk:Jasca Ducato|Council Chamber]] [[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato|Assassination record]] 11:49, June 25, 2010 (UTC)
*Yes, I know. I just fixed all of Altaïr's I/s in one of the timeline pages (eyes hurt XD). I should make a note not to type in his name more and start referencing him as "assassin", or "the assassin" more often :D [[User:War Clown|War Clown]] 11:58, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

== What is he saying? ==

Sometimes, when you stab a guard before the others realize you are a threat when saving a citizen, Altaïr will respond (to the guards telling him to go away) with something in Arabic. It is usually after this that they start fighting him. Having no knowledge of Arabic phonetics relative to English, I'll try to transliterate this as best I can..

'anarislic/g' (confused on the last character. Could be either a c or a g. He makes it sound almost like a threat.), 'wayhaf', 'noha alay(alain?)' If in doubt, save some citizens and you should be able to pick out what I'm talking about. Hard to render this in text, honestly. [[Special:Contributions/173.50.240.35|173.50.240.35]] 07:22, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

== Faith ==

Is Altair christian something else ?

[[Special:Contributions/79.101.91.187|79.101.91.187]] 18:23, August 19, 2010 (UTC
:He's certainly no Christian. I wouldn't say he's an atheist, but he doesn't believe in any God I think. I think the official game guide just described him as a spiritual person. -- [[user:Altaïr|Altaïr]] 20:29, August 19, 2010 (UTC)
:Altaïr was likely a Muslim, if a member of any denomination, for the duration of the game, having been raised in Muslim lands and being born to a Muslim father. There is a solid chance that he was not Muslim, however, as certain pages from the Codex contain passages suggesting that he was at odds with many beliefs central to the Muslim tradition at the time. One such passage has him mentioning that he became enraged and clenched his fists in anger after seeing a man treating his wife as if she was inferior to him, a belief held by most Muslims during that time period. Also, since his mother was Christian, he might have been at a religious and spiritual crossroads at the time of the game, torn, as he was, between two faiths. If he wasn't atheist before it, he was almost certainly atheist at the end of the game when Al Mualim revealed to him that every miraculous and/or supernatural event in history was caused by the Pieces of Eden. We learn in Assassin's Creed II, at the end of the last mission, in the Vault underneath the Vatican, in Minerva's message to Desmond, that all god-worshipping religions arose from early humans' misunderstandings of the race that created the Pieces of Eden, so it is quite possible that this information was also relayed to Altaïr by the Apple, although we don't know for sure. [[User:EEA|EEA]] 01:01, October 10, 2010 (UTC)
::In any case he ended up not being a person to believe in God as he clearly stated there's no heaven or hell in the codex. Like I said previously he was described to be a spiritual person and there's no evidence that he was religious of the sort. --[[user:Altaïr|Altaïr]] 01:06, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

== Arabic pronunciation ==

I'd like to make a suggestion as to changing the article's explanation of the Arabic pronunciation of his name. A direct transliteration of the Arabic characters in his name gives the spelling "Al-Ta'ir", (there is a stop between the a and i). I understand this is what is used in the game. However Arabic has what are called "sun and moon" letters (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_and_moon_letters), and the emphatic "Ta" (the T used in Altair's name) is a "sun" letter. This means that the L in Altair's name would not be pronounced by an Arabic speaker. Therefore, the correct Arabic pronunciation of Altair's name in Arabic would be "At-ta'ir.

:Malik A-Sayf is also an instance of the sun and moon letters. That's why it isn't "Malik Al-Sayf", because S is also a sun letter.
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:Also, people pronounce the T incorrectly. It's actually heavier than that. It should be pronounced as the ط in this video: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kh-H7TtAf2k&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kh-H7TtAf2k&feature=related] .

== Name ==

Where does the version "Altaïr Ibn-La'Ahad" come from? In the game manual it says "Altaïr Ibn La-Ahad". -- [[User:Master Sima Yi|Master Sima Yi]] 22:19, October 24, 2010 (UTC)
:I know this is an extremly belated response, but whilst the game manual does indeed spell it "Ibn La-Ahad", in the introductory video for ''Brotherhood'' it is spelt "Ibn-La'Ahad", which IMO should take preference. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' [[User talk:Jasca Ducato|Council Chamber]] [[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato|Assassination record]] 14:27, November 25, 2010 (UTC)
::I know, I saw it as well. We'll just leave it as it is. -- [[User:Master Sima Yi|Master Sima Yi]] 14:28, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

== The name translation is vandalized ==

"'''Altaïr Ibn-La'Ahad''' ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic Arabic]: الطائر ابن لا أحد) (born 1165) was an[http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Assassin Assassin] living during the [http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Third_Crusade Third Crusade]..."

The Arabic translation above reads as "I am not a bird". The actual translation is:

نسر الاحد لوسانجليس لابن

:Dont use translation websites they are actually WRONG. better learn how to write arabic or ask an arabian! [[User:MakinArceneau|MakinArceneau]] 14:28, May 13, 2011 (UTC)

:: Haha, well, thanks for notifying us! Next time you see an error like this feel free to edit without asking here, I would fix this myself right now, but my browser is stuffing up ATM. Thanks, --[[User:ThiefAC|'''THIEF ''']] 06:34, November 11, 2010 (UTC)
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:: Dude the guy who wrote the new translation is wrong. Do you know what he just said? He said: Eagle the one los angeles for son.
::Yeah, I ran the "actual translation" through [http://www.arabicenglishdictionary.org/ this site], and it came up with "Eagle Sunday to Osangeles Ibn". '''[[User:Ozzyjalo94|OZ]][[User talk:Ozzyjalo94|ZY]]''' 14:07, December 8, 2010 (UTC)
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Isnt this (النسر الابن بلا) the true translation?[[User:Einsteinium99|Einsteinium99]] 18:28, June 24, 2011 (UTC)

I'm a native Arab and the direct translation, without using any online dictionary, is:

الطائر إبن لا أحد
Altaïr - الطائر: an Adjective to a person who flies: literally The Flyer.

Verb Past tense: Flew: طار

Verb Present tense: Fly: يطير

Ibn- is literally: son of: إبن

La'Ahad: actually two words

La: No:لا

Ahad: one or body أحد

So if you want a direct meaningfull transliteration of the name in english you would say:

"The Flyer son of no-body." also "The Flyer son of no-one" or A-Tta'er Ibn la Ahad.

Yes, the Arabic letter ط is a sun letter and the L in AL (used as a definitive article similar to 'the' in English ane Le in French) would not be pronounced

[[User:Mkrbu50|Mkrbu50]] 13:06, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

For someone who is a native Arab, your Arabic is a little off. Yes, ط is solar so the ل in front takes the same sound, so it should be "at" and not "al". Next the ط is a harder sounding "T" that is produced from the back of the throat as opposed to the ت which is a lighter sounding "T" that is produced with the tip of the tongue and the top of the mouth.

Next, while yes, at-Ta'ir can be defined as "the flyer", I have never heard it described that way in MSA, or in Levantine, Egyptian, or Iraqi dialects. It also can be used to say aviator, omen, or presage, BUT its common use in any Arabic Dialect and MSA is "the bird". And الطيار at-Tiiar is commonly used for "the flyer" as well as the aviator and the pilot. This is just a good case of an English speaker wanting a cool sounding Arabic name for the game and failing miserably to really understand the language. As with most 3-letter roots, adding the alif (ا) between the 2nd and 3rd diacritic is about the english equivalent of adding -er to english words.

next, ibn la-ahad is just horrible in itself. Arabic is a descriptive language, unlike English (which uses a lot of shortcuts and inferred meanings). ibn does mean son, but is mostly used like "hal hua ibn kareem" (is that Kareem's son). When used as a title (such as a name), bin (same root) is used more frequently (bad example, but a well known one-- bin Ladin).

la ahad is used as a pronoun for no-one, but because arabic is a descriptive language, it is used as a subject and therefore must have a verb. In English, we understand that "one" means a person, but you have to be descriptive in Arabic, so it would be better to say something along the lines of "lesa bin shakhs" or "lesa bin rajal", especially since la (لا) is primarily used on verbs as an answer, and lesa (ليس) is used for nouns and everything else.

Oh, and for your last comment about the L in AL not being pronounced, I said before it takes the sound of the TOH (ط), so, in a way, it is pronounced, but more so like putting a shadda over the TOH.

Reference: I do Arabic for a living, and talk daily to native Arabic speakers of all dialects

[[Special:Contributions/74.123.249.235|74.123.249.235]] 02:09, September 3, 2011 (UTC) ضياء

== Altair/Desmond's Face ==

'''If you have not noticed already, Altair's face is EXACTLY similar to Desmond's. I was just wondering if that would be the result of their ancestory or just Ubisoft's deadline/laziness? It's always stuck me so, including the fact that Ezio has some, but not all features. - E. Cain'''

:It is meant to personify (literally) the fact that they are direct ancestors. That and, yes, I don't see Ubisoft wasting their time creating a model of a ''similar-looking'' ancestor, when they could just make them the same, and sti;ll retain the same effect of them being related. --[[User:Piratehunter|'''''P''''''''''i''''''''''r''''''''''a''''''''''t''''''''''e''''''''''h''''''''''u''''''''''n''''''''''t''''''''''e''''''''''r''''']] ([[User talk:Piratehunter|Talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/Piratehunter|Contribs]]) 16:40, January 17, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah kind of true!

== Is the story of Ezio over after assassins creed brotherhood? ==

Ezio is my favorite main character in the series and i really want them to continue a story with him. However, i have relized there is much to go with. Does any one know what happens to Ezio after he is last seen killing Ceasere in the game?
:What has this got to do with Altaïr? --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' [[User talk:Jasca Ducato|Council Chamber]] [[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato|Assassination record]] 04:35, February 6, 2011 (UTC)
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:No it isn't, he's still the main character in Revelations. Also, Altair is almost certain to be in Revelations as well, flashback or not. The trailer meant something. [[User:Jackass2009|Jackass2009]] 23:09, May 5, 2011 (UTC)

== The Hiding Short Blade in the Intro ==

People thought that the short blade was replaced by the Crossbow in the Introduction Movie in Assassin's Creed. Well, actually Altair's short blade was hiding in the large,brown, belt-like armor in the assassin's abdomen. Notice that when Altair was stripped of his possessions and rank, this brown belt became a little smaller. But when he was a master assassin, this thing was bigger, it shows that it had two pieces, when combined, made a small gap between them. That's where Altair put his short blade. Try searching in Youtube or play the Intro once more.

== 92-years Altair ? ==

Where did that bit of information about a 92 years-old Altair mettin with Niccolo and Maffeo Polo ?
:You see that little number that comes ''directly after'' that piece of information… if you click it, it tells you where the information came from. Sign your posts. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' [[User talk:Jasca Ducato|Council Chamber]] [[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato|Assassination record]] 02:55, June 18, 2011 (UTC)

== Altaïr's name ==

We all know his first name is Altaïr but do we consider Ibn-La'Ahad his complete last name ? I know it's a stupid question but I didn't know how to put it in an article.. [[User:Killeras|Killeras]] 15:50, June 19, 2011 (UTC)

:Yes, we do. It's stated on various occassions, like the introductory video of ''Bloodlines''. Don't think we would have fan fiction here and we wouldn't do anything about it, especially on such an important article. -- [[User:Master Sima Yi|Master Sima Yi]] 20:34, June 19, 2011 (UTC)

== Sub 16 ==

If Altair is an ancestor of Ezio and Ezio is an ancestor of Sub 16, isn't Altair an ancestor of Sub 16 as well ?[[User:Killeras|Killeras]] 22:05, June 19, 2011 (UTC)

Nevermind it seems like someone already edited it.
:Yes, he is (and why it was removed from the article, I don't know) but not for the reasons you state. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' [[User talk:Jasca Ducato|Council Chamber]] [[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato|Assassination record]] 07:51, June 20, 2011 (UTC)

::I deleted it because it should go under the "Legacy" section. It isn't important enough to be in the introduction, since Subject 16 isn't an important character in the entire AC universe overall. -- [[User:Master Sima Yi|Master Sima Yi]] 08:19, June 20, 2011 (UTC)
:::Sorry Sima, but I fail to see how you can possibly believe 16 ''isn't'' important… also, every other individual with important relations has those relations mentioned in their introduction, it's practically part of our MoS. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' [[User talk:Jasca Ducato|Council Chamber]] [[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato|Assassination record]] 18:39, June 20, 2011 (UTC)

::::If you take a look at the overall AC universe, from the prehistory to the 21th century, Subject 16 hasn't done anything of any real relevance. And the other articles may have it, but I don't see any point in it. The introduction is to sum up the article, and his descendants have very little mentions in the Legacy section. I fail to see how it improves the article. And you're causing me an edit conflict. -- [[User:Master Sima Yi|Master Sima Yi]] 18:42, June 20, 2011 (UTC)

== Arabic words are incorrect ==

I would like to point out that the current arabic translation of "Altaïr Ibn-La'Ahad" ; الطائر ِإبن لا أحد , is not the correct translation of his name. i checked in Google Translate and it translates to: "Bird's son is not a". The correct translation of "Altaïr Ibn-La Ahad" is : نسر بن لوس انجليس الاحد which is the most accurate translation in Arabic. thanks for hearing this out :D [[User:Droideka93|Droideka93]] 23:29, June 20, 2011 (UTC)[[User:Droideka93|Droideka93]]
:Yes, because Google Translate is reliable… --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' [[User talk:Jasca Ducato|Council Chamber]] [[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato|Assassination record]] 23:30, June 20, 2011 (UTC)
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:نسر بن لوس انجليس الاحد --- that translation means "an eagle of Sunday's Los Angeles' son". Please don't use google translate, it is horrible when stringing words together, and I have no idea where it got los angeles from (لوس انجليس). But yeah, I agree that Al-Ta'ir ibn-La Ahad is a horrible name with very bad wording and poor arabic grammar. Kudos for the designer to try to make something sound Arabic, shame for him not consulting a true Arabic source.
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:First, it's at-Ta'ir not Altaïr. The TOH ط is a solar letter therefor the LAM ل before it takes the exact same sound, and not the sound of an L. Next there is a seated Hamza ئ after the alif ا which takes the sound of a glottal stop (or a quick stop in sound before moving on to the next sound). So, TA'IR or TA IR, not TAIR.
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:Plus, Nisr نسر means Eagle, and ta'ir طائر means Bird.
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:ibn La Ahad makes no grammatical sense in Arabic, whereas it would in English.
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:BTW, I speak Arabic for a living, and do not use google translate
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: [[Special:Contributions/74.123.249.235|74.123.249.235]] 21:47, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

== New info ==

What happened to the Assassins after Altair fled Masyaf? Was Abbas the new Grand Master of the Assassin Order? If so we should add this to Grand Master page. Also do we know anything of Altair after fleeing the castle?
:If we knew, it would be in the article, wouldn't it? The book has only just come out, give us sometime to actually read it before we update the articles. Sign your posts. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' [[User talk:Jasca Ducato|Council Chamber]] [[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato|Assassination record]] 18:15, June 24, 2011 (UTC)

:Wait, the book is out??? I thought it is only out on the 27th or 28th of June? So, all these new information is from the book? [[User:Trainkun2313|Trainkun2313]] 18:31, June 24, 2011 (UTC)Trainkun2313

== Altair's Voice ==

So i was replaying Assassin's Creed and after sequence 2 if you talk to Lucy she explains how the animus refines the language in the memories are "modern day english" so it came to me that this is why Altair's voice is so American....[[User:Moviesman23|Moviesman23]] 05:17, June 26, 2011 (UTC)

== Grand Master ==

Can we assume that after Altair died, his son Darim became the next Grand Master? I don't really remember how the Grand Master was chosen after the previous one died. [[User:Killeras|Killeras]] 11:06, June 26, 2011 (UTC)
:You can assume all you want, that doesn't mean you're allowed to add any assumptions nor speculation to the articles, 'tis against the rules, aye? :P -- [[User:Assassin-Rayne|'''Rayne''']] [[User_Talk:Assassin-Rayne|Message]] 11:12, June 26, 2011 (UTC)
: I didn't do anything, I was just curios and don't worry I've been a long time reader before finaly making an account and deciding to help out, so I know most of the rules :P [[User:Killeras|Killeras]] 11:30, June 26, 2011 (UTC)
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== Later life ==

Where did you get the data on his late life? Project Legacy?

[[Special:Contributions/93.103.123.191|93.103.123.191]] 13:26, June 28, 2011 (UTC)

:Yeah, I source it for nothing. It is from ''[[Assassin's Creed: The Secret Crusade]]''. -- [[User:Master Sima Yi|Master Sima Yi]] 13:28, June 28, 2011 (UTC)
::Yeah Sima, what the hell are you sourcing it for? --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' [[User talk:Jasca Ducato|Council Chamber]] [[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato|Assassination record]] 13:36, June 28, 2011 (UTC)
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::I was thinking about how Altair would have died I think it was From the Mongols. Its eating at me because he is my favouite Assassin.I like myself only. 03:48, August 12, 2011 (UTC)

==Birthday==
In wich source they say that Altaïr was born the January 11? Excuse my english.--[[User:Darth envidious|Darth envidious]] 21:17, July 6, 2011 (UTC)

Wherever is it from, its not from the Secret Crusade book.--[[User:Bogdan stretePS3|Bogdan stretePS3]] 21:32, July 6, 2011 (UTC) 00:28, July 7, 2011 (ET)
:One of the Revelations teaser images that was previously on facebook. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' [[User talk:Jasca Ducato|Council Chamber]] [[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato|Assassination record]] 14:40, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

== Altair and Ezio aren't related. ==

According to the lead writer of Revelations, Darby McDevitt, While Altair and Ezio are both Desmond's Ancestors, Ezio is NOT a decendant of Altair.

This just means that one side of his family had Altair's DNA, and the other had Ezio's, which, considering that he was born into the brotherhood and all, is definately plasible.

Here's the link if anyone else wants to read up on it; I suspect there will be a bit of editing to do now.

http://kotaku.com/5823431/what-i-thought-i-knew-about-assassins-creed-revelations-was-partially-wrong

[[Special:Contributions/174.57.237.158|174.57.237.158]] 21:21, July 22, 2011 (UTC)
==Altair's age==
:We're gonna need a bit more verification before we make a major change like that. --'''''[[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]]''''' [[User talk:Jasca Ducato|Council Chamber]] [[Special:Contributions/Jasca_Ducato|Assassination record]] 14:36, July 23, 2011 (UTC)
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In this Interview [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgTvEMgvPeE]] the creative director of AC revelations says that Altair lived a very long life making it into his ninties or somehwere along that line. I just thought that should be added to his profile.[[User:Awale-Abdi|Awale-Abdi]] 16:28, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

:Well in the article, you can see that his biography goes up till 1257 which is in his 90's. [[User:Subject 12|'''Subject 12''']] [[User Talk:Subject 12|Talk to me]] 16:37, July 25, 2011 (UTC)
:Oh thanks for pointing that out and sorry for wasting time on this...[[User:Awale-Abdi|Awale-Abdi]] 18:58, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

According to ''Some'' sources, his age of death was 99...or at least it was the last age ever mentioned anywhere...
[[User:Falco Luce del Sud-Est|Falco Luce]] 09:42, August 28, 2011 (UTC)

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