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Talk:Malik Al-Sayf

2010-03-29T02:46:19Z

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== Descendant ==

Anybody else thinks that Malik may be an ancestor of Lucy? I mean it is possible, remember the writing on the wall there were two symbols that pointed out that history repeats itself, the Mandelbrot Set and the Lorenz Attractor. Here's a quote from the Lucy Stillman page.

"We have the Mandlebrot Set - an example of set theory and the repeating overall patterns of history."

I think the Mandelbrot Set represents that all the characters in Modern Times are just new versions of the same characters in the Third Crusade, remember, history repeats itself.

Anyway, continue the discussion so we can get some input.

:Even if it does make sense, there's absolutelly nothing right now that points that direction. Therefore I think we can keep it on the article, but only as a possibility and as such should be moved to the "Trivia" section. -- [[User:D. Cello|D. Cello]] 04:05, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

:I personally don't think that Malik may be related to Lucy. I think him being related to [[Antonio]] is more logical seeing as both have similar roles in the games. Aiding the game's protagonist as well as being the protagonist's friend. Also, their voices are a bit similar... - [[User:Master Sima Yi|Master Sima Yi]] 11:39, December 25, 2009 (UTC)

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:It's far fetched. I mean she looks like Maria as well.
I have never played AC2 but I always beleived that we can trace Lucy's ancestry back to Malik. Desmond is the descendant of Altair, Vidic is the descendant of Al Mualim, it'd be unfair if Malik is not present! By the way modern day DNA studies shows that a Y-chromosomal lineage with patterns suggesting that it originated from Mongolia circa 1000 years ago can now be found in 8% of the men in parts of Europe. These European men do not look Asiatic at all, yet they have Mongol ancestors. It’s possible that anyone today had an ancestor in any other place. If you are into genealogy then you might see what I mean. [[User:Roam|Roam]] 07:28, February 13, 2010 (UTC)
: Where did you get that Al Mualim is Vidic's ancestor? That wasn't in game. [[User:AgentValentine|AgentValentine]] 07:56, February 13, 2010 (UTC)

That's just a fandom theory spreaded like that bloody Feudal Japan setting... -- [[User:D. Cello|D. Cello]] 17:19, February 13, 2010 (UTC)

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==Name==
Where is it said his name is Malik Al-Sayf? If this is true, the page could be moved to that, no? [[User:Master Sima Yi|Master Sima Yi]] 11:41, December 25, 2009 (UTC)

:"Malik" means "owner" so the name "Owner of the Sword" makes sense I guess. [[User:Cyberaltair|Cyberaltair]] 14:16, December 25, 2009 (UTC)
::No changes will be made unless a verifiable source is given. Period. We already had the "Maria Thorpe" thing and it was enough. I wanna check and recheck those surnames to make sure it isn't fandom. -- [[User:D. Cello|D. Cello]] 02:50, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

Actually, Malik means "King" or "Ruler".

Your honorable servant,

-Beirut

His last name ias a-sayf, it saasys in the credits.

[[User:Smiliey|Smiliey]] 08:58, January 22, 2010 (UTC)smiliey

Asked a friend who is of Arabic descent and he told me that Al-Sayf is actually a common surname where A-Sayf is not.

Someone put A-Sayf? I totally didn't notice. Good spot. [[Special:Contributions/68.48.225.39|68.48.225.39]] 14:48, January 28, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, that's nice and all, but he clearly appears as Malik A-Sayf in the credits, not Al-Sayf. And this wiki is about a game, not real surnames. Could a mod move it back? -- [[User:Master Sima Yi|Master Sima Yi]] 13:30, February 3, 2010 (UTC)

Done. Not only the credits say that, but IMDB confirms it. -- [[User:D. Cello|D. Cello]] 14:57, February 3, 2010 (UTC)

IMDB information comes from the credits and it most likely is just a typo or a mistake. The word"A-Sayf" is completely senseless and meaningless. In Arabic "Al" is just a prefix; notice the words that come from Arabic: "'''Al'''cohol" or "'''Al'''gebra". Even "'''Al'''tair" has this prefix; since "tair" itself means bird or something that flies. Same thing with '''Al'''-Mualim (mualim means teacher/master). It's common for many people who hail from Arab-speaking regions to have the “Al-“ attached to their last names. I know "it's just a game", but I still believe it is meant to be "Al-Sayf" which means "Summer". "A-Sayf" however does NOT mean summer. [[User:Roam|Roam]] 07:51, February 13, 2010 (UTC)

At least this issue needs to be addressed in the article.

Then add a trivia note stating that the common surname is Al-Sayf, but maybe due to a typo mistake or creative liberty from Ubisoft the name in the game credits is stayed as A-Sayf. Simple. -- [[User:D. Cello|D. Cello]] 17:21, February 13, 2010 (UTC)

I need to emphasis that A-Sayf does NOT mean summer. '''Al'''-Sayf means summer, and is written الصيف . There is an error in the article. [[User:Roam|Roam]] 08:04, February 18, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, we believe you, you can remove it. =]<br />There's any possible meaning for A-Sayf? -- [[User:D. Cello|D. Cello]] 14:11, February 18, 2010 (UTC)

I have an Arabic friend. He says "Al-Sayf" means "of Swords" Which means his name, Malik Al-Sayf, means "King of Swords" -- HiddenAssassin13 9: 42 PM, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

==No Missing finger?==
I like to talk about this. Though at the time when the first game was made, there was another possible reason, why Altaïr's finger was missing. It was said he removed it himself to prove his loyalty to the Creed and had no functionality to use the Hidden Blade at all. I'd like to hear from others to consult about this. It's just more as trivia to post, rather as fact, cause later we know that the finger was removed for the Hidden Blade, but at the development of the first game, I have my doubts if it was actually an error that Malik still has all his fingers. [[User:Altaïr|Altaïr]] February 23, 2010 (UTC)

== Age ==

How old is Malik exactly? [[User:PassiveNeoluna|PassiveNeoluna]] 23:20, March 12, 2010 (UTC)

Nevermind, I found out. [[User:PassiveNeoluna|PassiveNeoluna]] 23:58, March 12, 2010 (UTC)
:Err... do you have a source? Not just AC1 game, somethingo more specific like "Assassin's Creed - Memory Sequence 3" or whatever? Sry, it's wiki policy. -- [[User:D. Cello|D. Cello]] 15:54, March 13, 2010 (UTC)
*I checked the strategy guide myself and it indeed states he's 26. Hope that helps. [[User:Altaïr|Altaïr]] 17:08, March 13, 2010 (UTC)
*Sorry for not mentioning where I found the info [[User:PassiveNeoluna|PassiveNeoluna]] 21:04, March 13, 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. Added sources for everything in the article. -- [[User:D. Cello|D. Cello]] 23:37, March 13, 2010 (UTC)
*Sorry, I thought the notes and references always go at the bottom at the article. -- [[User:Altaïr|Altaïr]] 01:43, March 14, 2010 (UTC)

Malik Al-Sayf

2010-03-29T02:41:13Z

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{{Era|AC|Assassins|Crusade|Good}}
{{Character Infobox
|name = Malik A-Sayf
|image = Malik.png
|faction = [[Assassins]]
|appear = ''[[Assassin's Creed]]''
|birth = 1165 AD
|death =
|period = Third Crusade
|voice = [[Haaz Sleiman]]
}}
{{quote|I know... in fact, the entire city knows!|About Altaïr's successful assassination|Assassin's Creed}}
'''Malik A-Sayf,''' (born 1165)<ref>Assassin's Creed: Official Game Guide</ref> previously a high ranking assassin rivalling [[Altaïr Ibn-La'Ahad|Altaïr]], is the [[Dai]] and the leader of the [[Jerusalem]] [[Assassin's Bureau]].

==Biography==
[[File:Malik2.png|thumb|left|175px|Malik back from Solomon's Temple with his arm heavily wounded.]]

===Solomon's Temple===
{{quote|You always do as you please! If were not by your arrogance, de Sable would be dead, and my brother would still be alive!|Malik to Altaïr following the battle at Solomon's Temple|Assassin's Creed}}
Malik, along with his brother [[Kadar]] and Altaïr, were charged with capturing the [[Templars|Templar's]] Treasure, later found to be the [[Piece of Eden]] by [[Al Mualim]]. He forewarns Altaïr of his blatant disregard of [[The Creed|the Creed]] when Altaïr murders an innocent old man beneath the [[Solomon's Temple|Temple]] to hide their presence and considers compromising the Brotherhood for the chance to kill [[Robert de Sable]]. Eventually, Altaïr's stubbornness, headstrong attitude, and arrogance leads to the tragic failure of the mission, costing Malik his left arm and his brother's life. Malik however successfully escaped with the Piece of Eden, and arrived at [[Masyaf]] with his arm still attached but bleeding badly, implying it was amputated later.<ref name="Assassin's Creed">''[[Assassin's Creed]]''</ref>

===Jerusalem: 1st Visit===
{{dialogue|Altaïr|Safety and peace, Malik.|Malik|Your presence deprives me of both!|Malik and Altaïr in Jerusalem|Assassin's Creed}}

When first meeting up with Altaïr in Jerusalem, Malik makes no effort to disguise his new-found hatred of Altaïr. Pointing out even the most subtle of flaws and the small haughtiness of his attitude whenever possible, the two have an unpleasant meeting when discussing the assassination of [[Talal the Slave Trader|Talal]]. Even though the assassination was a success, he criticizes Altaïr for triggering the City Alarm and alerting the citizens of Jerusalem to Talal's demise.<ref name="Assassin's Creed" />

===Jerusalem: 2nd Visit===
{{dialogue|Altaïr|It seems everything I do troubles you|Malik|Reflect on that. But do so on your way to Masyaf.|Altaïr and Malik at the Bureau|Assassin's Creed}}
Though his cold attitude toward Altaïr has gone through little to no change, he expresses a small level of satisfaction when Altaïr asks for advice and begins to respect the Creed more. After the assassination, he notes that Altaïr had performed just as an assassin should -- no more, no less.<ref name="Assassin's Creed" />

===Jerusalem: 3rd Visit===
{{quote|We are one, as we share the glory of our victories so too we share the pain of defeat; in this way we grow closer, we grow stronger.|Malik before Altaïr assassinates "Robert"|Assassin's Creed}}
[[File:Malikbureau.png|thumb|300px|Malik and Altaïr in the Jerusalem Bureau.]]
When Altaïr visits Malik for the final time in Jerusalem, the easily angered and quick to criticize Malik has changed, speaking to Altaïr as a fellow assassin rather than the failure that had caused the tragedy in Solomon's Temple. After the skirmish at the funeral of [[Majd Addin]], Malik and Altaïr have a quick, heated argument over whether to chase [[Robert de Sable]] to [[Arsuf]] or return to [[Masyaf]] to seek the wisdom of Al Mualim. Altaïr argues that Malik uses the Creed as a shield, not seeing the entire truth but rather what Al Mualim wants him to see, and then suggests that Malik learns more of the Piece of Eden from the people of Jerusalem and Al Mualim while he hunts down Robert. Before their departure, Altaïr apologizes for his failure at Solomon's Temple, which Malik refuses because he feels that the Altaïr who stands before him at that moment is not the same one that had sparked their defeat at Solomon's Temple.<ref name="Assassin's Creed" />

===Masyaf===
{{dialogue|Altaïr|Safety and peace, Malik.|Malik|Your presence will deliver us both.|Altaïr and Malik parting ways during the invasion of Masyaf|Assassin's Creed}}
Malik makes his final appearance at Masyaf, aiding Altaïr in fending off the hypnotized assassins with loyal assassins still unaffected by the Piece of Eden. He then leads an assault at the back of the fortress, going on advice given from Altaïr as he personally deals with Al Mualim. His final appearance before the end of the Memory Block is in the last cut-scene, where he catches up to Altaïr in time to witness the Piece of Eden display its holographic map of the world.<ref name="Assassin's Creed" />

===After ''Assassin's Creed''===
{{quote|I have also worked with Malik to describe new methods of assassination: from on high, from ledges, and from hiding places. Basic movements, but critical nonetheless.|Altaïr's Codex, page 13|Assassin's Creed II}}
At some point after the events of ''Assassin's Creed'', Malik became the "right hand man" of Altaïr while he was the Leader of the Assassins. Altaïr mentions in the first [[Codex Pages|Codex Page]] that Malik suggested that he should forget about trying to understand the Piece of Eden and that he should simply lock it away. Altaïr seemingly ignored this advice as shown in later codex entries. Malik's fate afterwards is unknown. <ref>[[Assassin's Creed II]] - Codex Pages</ref>

==Characteristics and personality==
Malik is a harsh, yet wise Assassin who dislikes [[Altaïr]] due to his skill and rank in the guild, as well his arrogant attitude in the beginning of the game. At first, his devotion to the Creed and [[Al Mualim]] is unbreakable and undeniable, yet he slowly gains respect for Altaïr as he changes on his quest to redeem himself.<ref name="Assassin's Creed" />

==Trivia==
[[File:MalikAssassin.png|thumb|300px|Malik in his Assassin robe.]]
*Malik is the only Assassin seen wearing a similar outfit to Altaïr's in ''Assassin's Creed''. In this outfit, he is also equipped with a [[Hidden Blade]] though his ring finger was not cut, probably due to the inaccuracy of the character design. <ref name="Assassin's Creed" />
*'A-Sayf' means 'of Swords' in Arabic, "Malik" can mean 'Master', 'King' or 'Owner'.
*On your first trip to Jerusalem, if you stay in the bureau before going to your assassination target and lock on to Malik, he will comment on why you have not already left. He gives out a sarcastic comment to him: "Thinking of another great plan, Altaïr? Like the one back at Solomon's Temple?!" <ref name="Assassin's Creed"/>
*It is possible to throw Malik off the cliff right before he and his men run past you before the final boss fight. Doing this does not have any affects on the game, and he still reappears during the credits to look at the Piece of Eden

==Notes and references==
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Malik Al-Sayf

2010-03-08T04:01:37Z

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{{Era|AC|Assassins|Crusade|Good}}
{{Character Infobox
|name = Malik A-Sayf
|image = Malik.png
|faction = [[Assassins]]
|appear = ''[[Assassin's Creed]]''
|period = Third Crusade
|voice = [[Haaz Sleiman]]
}}
{{quote|I know... in fact, the entire city knows!|About Altaïr's successful assassination}}
'''Malik A-Sayf,''' previously a high ranking assassin rivalling [[Altaïr Ibn-La'Ahad|Altaïr]], is the [[Dai]] and the leader of the [[Jerusalem]] [[Assassin's Bureau]].

==Biography==
[[File:Malik2.png|thumb|left|175px|Malik back from Solomon's Temple with his arm heavily wounded.]]

===Solomon's Temple===
Malik, along with his brother [[Kadar]] and Altaïr, were charged with capturing the [[Templars|Templar's]] Treasure, later found to be the [[Piece of Eden]] by [[Al Mualim]]. He forewarns Altaïr of his blatant disregard of [[The Creed|the Creed]] when Altaïr murders an innocent old man beneath the [[Solomon's Temple|Temple]] to hide their presence and considers compromising the Brotherhood for the chance to kill [[Robert de Sable]]. Eventually, Altaïr's stubbornness, headstrong attitude, and arrogance leads to the tragic failure of the mission, costing Malik his left arm and his brother's life. Malik however successfully escaped with the Piece of Eden, and arrived at [[Masyaf]] with his arm still attached but bleeding badly, implying it was amputated later.

===Jerusalem: 1st Visit===
{{dialogue|Altaïr|Safety and peace, Malik.|Malik|Your presence deprives me of both!|Malik and Altaïr in Jerusalem}}

When first meeting up with Altaïr in Jerusalem, Malik makes no effort to disguise his new-found hatred of Altaïr. Pointing out even the most subtle of flaws and the small haughtiness of his attitude whenever possible, the two have an unpleasant meeting when discussing the assassination of [[Talal the Slave Trader|Talal]]. Even though the assassination was a success, he criticizes Altaïr for triggering the City Alarm and alerting the citizens of Jerusalem to Talal's demise.

===Jerusalem: 2nd Visit===
{{dialogue|Altaïr|It seems everything I do troubles you|Malik|Reflect on that. But do so on your way to Masyaf.|Altaïr and Malik at the Bureau}}
Though his cold attitude toward Altaïr has gone through little to no change, he expresses a small level of satisfaction when Altaïr asks for advice and begins to respect the Creed more. After the assassination, he notes that Altaïr had performed just as an assassin should -- no more, no less.

===Jerusalem: 3rd Visit===
[[File:Malikbureau.png|thumb|300px|Malik and Altaïr in the Jerusalem Bureau.]]
When Altaïr visits Malik for the final time in Jerusalem, the easily angered and quick to criticize Malik has changed, speaking to Altaïr as a fellow assassin rather than the failure that had caused the tragedy in Solomon's Temple. After the skirmish at the funeral of [[Majd Addin]], Malik and Altaïr have a quick, heated argument over whether to chase [[Robert de Sable]] to [[Arsuf]] or return to [[Masyaf]] to seek the wisdom of Al Mualim. Altaïr argues that Malik uses the Creed as a shield, not seeing the entire truth but rather what Al Mualim wants him to see, and then suggests that Malik learns more of the Piece of Eden from the people of Jerusalem and Al Mualim while he hunts down Robert. Before their departure, Altaïr apologizes for his failure at Solomon's Temple, which Malik refuses because he feels that the Altaïr who stands before him at that moment is not the same one that had sparked their defeat at Solomon's Temple.

===Masyaf===
{{dialogue|Altaïr|Safety and peace, Malik.|Malik|Your presence will deliver us both.|Altaïr and Malik parting ways during the invasion of Masyaf}}
Malik makes his final appearance at Masyaf, aiding Altaïr in fending off the hypnotized assassins with loyal assassins still unaffected by the Piece of Eden. He then leads an assault at the back of the fortress, going on advice given from Altaïr as he personally deals with Al Mualim. His final appearance before the end of the Memory Block is in the last cut-scene, where he catches up to Altaïr in time to witness the Piece of Eden display its holographic map of the world.

=== After ''Assassin's Creed'' ===
At some point after the events of ''Assassin's Creed'', Malik became the "right hand man" of Altaïr while he was the Leader of the Assassins. Altaïr mentions in the first [[Codex Pages]] that Malik suggested that he should forget about trying to understand the Piece of Eden and that he should simply lock it away. Altaïr seemingly ignored this advice as shown in later codex entries. His fate is unknown.

==Characteristics and personality==
Malik is a harsh, yet wise Assassin who dislikes [[Altaïr]] due to his skill and rank in the guild, as well his arrogant attitude in the beginning of the game. At first, his devotion to the Creed and [[Al Mualim]] is unbreakable and undeniable, yet he slowly gains respect for Altaïr as he changes on his quest to redeem himself.

==Trivia==
[[File:MalikAssassin.png|thumb|300px|Malik in his Assassin robe.]]
*Malik is the only Assassin seen wearing a similar outfit to Altaïr's in ''Assassin's Creed''. In this outfit, he is also equipped with a [[Hidden Blade]] though his ring finger was not cut, probably due to the inaccuracy of the character design.
*'A-Sayf' means 'Swords' in Arabic, "Malik" means King in Arabic, and so Malik's full name translates as "King of the Swords."

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[[Category:Characters|A-Sayf, Malik]]
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[[Category:Assassins|A-Sayf, Malik]]